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lucky
03-08-2011, 6:08 PM
Ok, I searched and did not see a picture thread for the ISSC MK22. I know of a few others on this board that have them, so lets see them. I'll start out with a couple of mine.

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/sam_fisher97/P1010605-1.jpg

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/sam_fisher97/P1010606-1.jpg

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o374/sam_fisher97/P1010607-1.jpg

Rifle owned in a free state. :rolleyes:

Accessories:
Rail Covers
Magpul AFG

biloutkast
03-09-2011, 8:05 AM
Nice, how much did you pick it up for?

MrPlink
03-23-2011, 5:54 PM
Why did you shorten the sight radius, or did it come that way?

lucky
04-12-2011, 5:40 PM
Why did you shorten the sight radius, or did it come that way?

I was trying it out at various lengths.
I know there are more owners out there, where are your pic's california? ;)

MrPlink
04-22-2011, 2:39 AM
longer the better, more precise that way

monorailboy
05-26-2011, 9:45 AM
where can I get 30/10 round mags for it ?? Does it use mags from other rifles ?

copter976
06-04-2011, 10:18 PM
where can I get 30/10 round mags for it ?? Does it use mags from other rifles ?

ISSC sells them now on their website, here's a link:

http://issc.mybigcommerce.com/

copter976
06-04-2011, 10:19 PM
And since we're posting pictures, here's my version of the "boot" picture...

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb427/copter976/3f697e94.jpg

KandyRedCoi
06-04-2011, 10:21 PM
sub'd i want one :)

MrPlink
06-04-2011, 10:27 PM
And since we're posting pictures, here's my version of the "boot" picture...

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb427/copter976/3f697e94.jpg

LOL, even the rimfire clone owners do this huh?

copter976
06-05-2011, 2:29 AM
Not too sure about them doing it over here (I'm fairly new to this site), but I DID post it on the "Boot" page on FNF...:cool:

KandyRedCoi
06-05-2011, 2:52 AM
are the magazines for this rifle standard or proprietary?

copter976
06-06-2011, 3:35 PM
Proprietary, unfortunately... But at least you CAN get them from ISSC.

MrPlink
06-06-2011, 5:39 PM
Not too sure about them doing it over here (I'm fairly new to this site), but I DID post it on the "Boot" page on FNF...:cool:

that forum sucks. The owner trolls his own members.
If I didnt have better things to do Id send transcripts of it to all his sponsors (including FN) and see how they feel about it

Ziggy1
06-08-2011, 2:04 AM
What about the High caps for this? Who makes them, and are kits available?

MrPlink
06-08-2011, 2:57 AM
What about the High caps for this? Who makes them, and are kits available?

Id guess ISSC makes em.
Probably have to find a dealer who is willing to break em down for you, thats probably it

monorailboy
06-19-2011, 3:48 PM
Just refinishing mine in Desert Tan...it is looking incredible....pics to come soon !!!

MrPlink
06-20-2011, 5:22 PM
Just refinishing mine in Desert Tan...it is looking incredible....pics to come soon !!!

do the upper in green if you want it to be "authentic"
;)

KandyRedCoi
06-20-2011, 5:47 PM
awaiting on the Desert Tan pics...thats gonna look sickkkk!!!!

this purchase is in the back burner as i have to get a AA conversion for my glock to concentrate on shooting pistols more this summer....ive had rimfire overload the last few months :D

monorailboy
06-24-2011, 8:12 AM
check it out...Desert Tan completed !!!!!!

103715

KandyRedCoi
06-24-2011, 8:32 AM
nice

monorailboy
06-24-2011, 8:43 AM
Sacramento Black Rifle has them on sale for $479 in the black

MrPlink
06-30-2011, 3:36 AM
not bad monorail boy, but now it does NOT look like an FN :D

monorailboy
07-04-2011, 3:54 PM
What color is an FN ? Thought they were desert tan ?

MrPlink
07-05-2011, 3:36 AM
What color is an FN ? Thought they were desert tan ?

the butt stock, and pistol grip are. Uppers are mostly green these days, some older ones were kinda gold looking. The lower is a darker brown.

like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/stephen_101st/Gear/DSC00205.jpg

chiburi
07-07-2011, 7:58 AM
Wow, I'm annoyed, my flash hider version is pathetic compared to what you guys have on your versions! I got mine from Buds, and am in the waiting period. I can't even adjust the stock as it's apparently part of the "fix"

Since I don't have it yet, let me ask a couple questions of you guys.
Can I take off the "flash hider" I have on mine and install one of the versions you guys have? Not sure how easy it is to get off. See pic of mine - you can see it doesn't even have a flash hider. Bummed I can't adjust my stock either - I figured it wouldn't fold since it's CA, but come on!
Are you guys able to adjust your stock position? If not, have you found a way of doing it without messing up the rifle?

chib

MrPlink
07-18-2011, 2:48 AM
Wow, I'm annoyed, my flash hider version is pathetic compared to what you guys have on your versions! I got mine from Buds, and am in the waiting period. I can't even adjust the stock as it's apparently part of the "fix"

Since I don't have it yet, let me ask a couple questions of you guys.
Can I take off the "flash hider" I have on mine and install one of the versions you guys have? Not sure how easy it is to get off. See pic of mine - you can see it doesn't even have a flash hider. Bummed I can't adjust my stock either - I figured it wouldn't fold since it's CA, but come on!
Are you guys able to adjust your stock position? If not, have you found a way of doing it without messing up the rifle?

chib

youre allowed to have the stock fold/collapse on this rifle, is BUDs is pinning it, then its just them not being up to speed on CA law.

Vanilla Gorilla
08-01-2011, 9:22 AM
nice

dodge
10-08-2011, 4:09 PM
a little clone porn for your enjoyment.....

just snapped a few captures of my new favorite blonde
(vortex crossfire 6-24x50 accompanied by a green laser sight)
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/redridinghood11/isscmk22desertsandjpg002.jpg
left side (tan latter guarded)
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/redridinghood11/isscmk22desertsandjpg007.jpg
comes with adjustable buis that work really well
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/redridinghood11/isscmk22desertsandjpg010.jpg
shooters view
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/redridinghood11/isscmk22desertsandjpg011.jpg
details
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/redridinghood11/isscmk22desertsandjpg004.jpg
was planning on painting bipod fore grip tan to match, but really dig the contrast (cali compliant magazine is still same length as their 22 mag)
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/redridinghood11/isscmk22desertsandjpg005.jpg

okay, so......
my biggest grip @ this point is that the rear stock doesn't adjust or fold. i also feel shorted as the cali model doesn't come with the stock birdcage flash hider that my black rifle came with. (yes, this would be my second mk22) i live in n.w. so neither would be a concern, but do travel to norcal frequently so figured i'd pick up a shorter magazine for such trips. had i known mag was standard length & that the stock didn't adjust @ all i'd of purchased the non compliant kit & bought a mag separately = (


doesn't california allow folding adjustable stocks???
all the available descriptions via issc or their vendors say the stock folds & adjusts @ 3 different lengths; yet this does neither. & doesn't mention anything regarding flash hider
will definitely call issc directly in the future to 'know' what i'm getting instead of being disappointed

MrPlink
10-11-2011, 10:25 PM
doesn't california allow folding adjustable stocks???
all the available descriptions via issc or their vendors say the stock folds & adjusts @ 3 different lengths; yet this does neither. & doesn't mention anything regarding flash hider
will definitely call issc directly in the future to 'know' what i'm getting instead of being disappointed

yes they do. Please read my earlier post, or better yet read the flowchart link at the top of the forum.

The only thing a MK22 should have different than a "free state model" is a 10rd mag. Otherwise, all is fine and legal, flash hider and folding/collapsing stock included.

Some dealers/manufacturers just simply arent up on Ca law, so the result is they alter things that do not need be.

dodge
10-22-2011, 4:15 PM
yes they do. Please read my earlier post, or better yet read the flowchart link at the top of the forum.

The only thing a MK22 should have different than a "free state model" is a 10rd mag. Otherwise, all is fine and legal, flash hider and folding/collapsing stock included.

Some dealers/manufacturers just simply arent up on Ca law, so the result is they alter things that do not need be.
appreciate the response

i understand, but still found out the hard way getting the first rifle i bought. the law applies to a.r. type rifles or anything 'centerfire' but nothing regarding rimfire. i was told that rifle came from Lipseys & they claim they aren't allowed to open the boxes. so figure that out.....

anyway, i've got another of the same on the way w/regular hider & proper folding/extending stock. not rushing it & waiting til my local dealer puts in another order or it'd cost another 45$ on top of the regular price.
i've got plenty of other toys to amuse me for a couple of weeks :cool2:
@ least i got the chance to warn others

cuda3x2
12-28-2011, 6:57 PM
will the black dogs mags work short ten round?

Afflack
01-08-2012, 8:42 PM
I think they are proprietary magazines, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Lavaspit
01-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Hey guys,

Im a heartbeat away from ordering this MK22 myself. Im a little miffed that the stock is locked down in CA. This is a gray area question, but if one were so inclined, could the stock be unlocked to fold, or at least release the adjustable cheek guard? Has anyone tried it? How is the stock locked? Soldered, pinned, or something else? Whats inside there?

If you're not comfortable with these questions publicly PM me or email me at parse.designs@gmail.com

I think the rifle is fine even with the restricted adjustments. Its just annoying.

Afflack
01-27-2012, 4:57 PM
When I purchased my MK22 the stock was not pinned and was fully adjustable in the back. My only concern was that when folded, the rifle's overall length was 24 1/2" inches not including the muzzle brake. Since the muzzle brake is easily detachable I did not include the parameters in the overall length. (26 1/4" with muzzle brake) Either way I pinned it shut just to be sure. It shouldn't be a problem making the cheek guard re-adjustable, all you have to do is knock out the pin holding the stock together and you are inside.

If you need pictures or have questions you can ask me.

Lavaspit
02-02-2012, 2:05 PM
When I purchased my MK22 the stock was not pinned and was fully adjustable in the back. My only concern was that when folded, the rifle's overall length was 24 1/2" inches not including the muzzle brake. Since the muzzle brake is easily detachable I did not include the parameters in the overall length. (26 1/4" with muzzle brake) Either way I pinned it shut just to be sure. It shouldn't be a problem making the cheek guard re-adjustable, all you have to do is knock out the pin holding the stock together and you are inside.

If you need pictures or have questions you can ask me.

Hey Afflack,

I do have questions. Like, why is a rimfire .22 locked in the first place? If the magazine lock and other CA compliant laws don't apply to this class of rifle, then why is the stock completely locked down? My dealer says that ISSC is just "being carefu". All I want to know is : 1) is the folding stock CA legal, 2) if so can hat kind of pinning / locking systems are they using? Are we talking about welded hinges, or plastic ties?

Does anyone have images of the inside of the rifle? I think a good "how to" would be awesome for this thread / forum if in fact rimfire rifles are legally as modular as we'd like them to be and as they are intended to be by the manufacturer.

L.

T3chnical
02-27-2012, 4:33 PM
FYI, the CA "fixed-stock" rule doesn't apply to rimfire rifles. I currently have a folding Sig 522 not once being harassed nor questioned from any LEOs I've encountered either on the range or on BLM grounds. Vendors or out-of-state retailers fix the stocks as a "general rule of thumb" for firearm restricted states.

I'd definitely would have posted on this thread since I've been trying for months to acquire a FDE MK22. Nearly every online vendor is either soldout or they are only offering the fixed-stock to CA buyers. Most private sellers are trying to sell for $500 and over which I think is way over priced.

Lavaspit
02-27-2012, 6:59 PM
As I thought. Thank you for confirming.

I paid well over $500 to Gusnforall (ie, ****faces), and will pay more to have the gunsmith attempt to unlock the stock. Gunsforall (Mr. CK in particular) takes NO accountability for the consistent misfeeds, the blatant legal overkill and functional hobbling of the rifle, or my missing flash suppressor. ISSC USA distribution and ISSC manufacturing are both FAKE email addresses.

All in all this is $600+ taken away from a real semi auto rifle.

If anyone has real contact information for either a US distributor or ISSC please IM me or just email julian@p4rse.com. I want my suppressor, and I want reimbursement for bring the gun to full functionality under CA law.

T3chnical
02-28-2012, 6:16 PM
As I thought. Thank you for confirming.

I paid well over $500 to Gusnforall (ie, ****faces), and will pay more to have the gunsmith attempt to unlock the stock. Gunsforall (Mr. CK in particular) takes NO accountability for the consistent misfeeds, the blatant legal overkill and functional hobbling of the rifle, or my missing flash suppressor. ISSC USA distribution and ISSC manufacturing are both FAKE email addresses.

All in all this is $600+ taken away from a real semi auto rifle.

If anyone has real contact information for either a US distributor or ISSC please IM me or just email julian@p4rse.com. I want my suppressor, and I want reimbursement for bring the gun to full functionality under CA law.

I was going to buy from gunsforall (based out of AZ) until they told me that they sell their MK22 with stocks-fixed to CA and other restricted states. Hence why I skipped them altogether even though they were selling them for about $450 back in Oct-2011 (not including the $65 for shipping).

If you do further research ISSC-USA is an offspring company of the ISSC-Austria. Both companies have no relation other than distribution to the US-Market. What does this mean? Well all of the MK22's are fully assembled in Austria and shipped to ISSC-USA; who inturn ship them to their respective dealers. The number of times these rifles are shipped and handled have been rumored to greatly affect the performance and functionality of the MK22.

Last I checked ISSC-USA is going through litigation for unpaid wages to their workers not including a much rumored class-action lawsuit from various people sharing your exact experience. Check the various rimfire boards and you will see that many customers and previous fans of the MK22 have been disappointed with their product.

From reading from other forums, most people have been taking it as a loss after the ISSC USA customer service phone lines and email has been removed in service (since the start of litigation).

Don't want to be the bearer of bad news but chances of you recouping your money will be slim to none unless you are able to have gunsforall assist you with your missing fake suppressor. Good luck!

Lavaspit
02-28-2012, 11:31 PM
Gunsforall is great. So friendly and cooperative. Once the gun is out of their hands, it the big FU from them. I actually inquired about my flash suppressor and what kind of magazines and compensators were available for the rifle and the ownwer accused me of requesting illegal firearms asd said he'd "make a note of it", then blocked my e-mail like an ex-girlfriend who needs the last word. So FU, guns for all. FU CJ or BJ or whatever your name is in particular. Spread the word. NOT a good company. NOT the small alternative to Buds you are looking for.

Class action lawsuits generally fidn remedy, even if it takes years. Misfeeding, misfiring rifles, even .22s, are life threatening. I will be keeping my eye on this.

Can't believe how many good reviews there are of this rifle. What bollocks. Maybe I got a lemon, whatever. NEVER NEVER ORDER FIREARMS ONLINE.

THE END.

Lavaspit
02-28-2012, 11:37 PM
Being optimistic, i will have the stock worked on, I will clean the shti out of the barrel, polish the ramp, and use clean ammo. The things a toy,but I can still dead-eye at the back wall of the range with iron sights only.

What are you guys doing with those optics??? The drop just doesn't make sense, even with a crappy scope.

Im being such a delight right now, I know. Apologies.

Afflack
03-01-2012, 1:14 PM
I'm sorry you are having such a poor experience with the MK22, that is odd that the flash suppressor wasn't even attached to the gun and that they cannot find one to send you. My MK22 is running flawlessly and hasn't had any issues yet, except one magazine started to fall apart (lock tite and it's good to go). I've tested CCI Blazer and Walmart's Federal bulk pack with about 4-5 out of 300 rounds fail to eject, so it has been pretty consistent throughout.

http://www.issc.at/
Here is the new information for ISSC and their current USA distributor Legacy Sports. They have an email for support at that website and I think there is also live chat on some days. I'm pretty sure there is a 1-2 year warranty on the ISSC MK22 so you might be in luck.

Lavaspit
03-01-2012, 6:25 PM
Thank you for your kindness. Right now my rifle is in the dungeons of some gunsmith who is poised to drill holes around that main bolt inside the folding mechanism. If anyone has a step by step of how to re-activate the folding stock release button, please let me know.

MrPlink
03-02-2012, 1:29 PM
wow, what a tale. Good luck with getting everything on the up and up.

I thought about picking one of these up for when I dont want (read: cant afford) to shoot my 17S, but more and more I think I'll stick to my 15-22

Lavaspit
03-24-2012, 9:10 PM
So I haven't checked in here for a while. As I said after about 500 rounds with misfeeds in almost ever single 10-round mag and the frustration of my missing flash hider and locked down stock, I left the rifle with the gunsmith at the range. Its been well over a month and the guy just refuses to mess with it anymore. So now Im faced with a couple choices: 1. seek a replacement from ISSC. 2 suck it up and shoot clean ammo, forget about folding the damn thing, maybe get a flash suppressor from the manufacturer or somewhere else.

The way I see it, since the point (to me) among other pluses, of owning a rim-fire rifle, is that its not so tightly regulated, and I feel that a stern letter to ISSC might get me a replacement. The problem is, none of their listed contacts work.

So what I want to knwo is: 1. Does anyone in CA have a fully functional stock with flash suppressor, and how did you get it?

2. Does anyone have contact info for ISSC that works?

3. Does anyone know hoe to get a flash hider separately? Or a fake Can?

4. Did anyone experience misfeeds in the "break-in" period? Does the rfle need to be dripping wet or what?

I think if I go ta replacement Id go with desert this time, btw.

Thanks for listening to my whining.

dodge
03-28-2012, 9:58 PM
mike weisser the original importer went through a legal dispute w/issc spring of last year. he really made it rough for issc via his brash tone w/customer service & had many non repaired issues left unresolved til being imported via another company. since then legacysports has bought the import rights etc. ie. they're now n. american distributor. i had a desert sand mk22 that had multiple problems, most of which had to do w/wrong set up, a non flash hider tip, non extendable, non folding rear stock. the firing pin wasn't hitting hard enough. as a result of doing business w/weisser there were some 50 units left un repaired in limbo til legacy sports got involved & sorted it all out. for awhile there was NO ONE to contact other than going directly to austria company for service support. even when trying to help me get my rifle sorted they had returns back from the exportation offices in austria, or @ least that's what i was told. our gov't was concerned, that w/the correct parts, rifle could be fairly easily converted into a nato or more powerful round a.r.

for parts
http://www.legacysports.com/#

ISSC Repairs & i'm almost certain yours should still be under warranty... you should only have to pay for shipping to, but not from. they won't consider replacement @ all. so don't even bother trying. also, try as you might, they WILL NOT pay for any portion of shipping other than return & will not give away accessories for covering your $$ lost due to having to ship in for service. i also have one of their 1st load of importated mk22s in black that eats & shoots pretty much anything i feed it. whereas my desert sand wouldn't shoot more than a couple of rounds before mis feeding. had tons of ftf/fte & firing pin spring didn't seem strong enough to put a sufficient dent to fire the rimfire ammo.

i ended up emailing & speaking w/john anderson @ legacy & he referred me to sportsworld for repair service. JAnderson@legacysports.com
i'd suggest an email & ask him how you should proceed.

John Anderson
Director of Operations
Legacy Sports International, LLC
+1 775 828 0555 ext 12

for warranty repair service contact sportsworld tulsa (i shipped ups ground & it wasn't too expensive shipping to tulsa)
Sports World, Inc.
6841 East 41st Street,
Tulsa, OK 74145
Email: parts@sportsworldtulsa.com
Phone: 918-742-4027
Fax: 918-742-3981

i used to own 2 pistols & 2 mk22s all made by issc. due to having such a negative experience, even mr. anderson became kind of abrasive after a few emails & phone calls were exchanged. also they were trying to complain that due to weisser they had inherited 'all these problems'. which really meant nothing to me, other than just another 'excuse', as they knew what they were buying into prior to buying the importation rights.
i felt they should of definitely been more accommodating for customers that had purchased brand new product only to have various problems from day 1. ie. having to pay for shipping on something that was special ordered via my dealer & shouldn't of needed repairs straight out of the box; was the last straw for me. i still have my extremely accurate & eats any ammo mk22 in black; but got rid of everything else they produce. you are essentially buying german sports group that has a different name on it. after anderson became tired of dealing w/me, i decided i too, was tired of dealing w/them. ironically, something as inexpensive as an extra magazine, might of left me feeling differently & more supported vs. paying for shipping & just losing that $$$ for no fault of my own.

i also had a proper flash suppressor/bird cage, shipped directly to me, either last week of feb or 1st week of this month; so they should have more than one available. initially mr. anderson told me to buy a gsg-m5 clone flash suppressor, but i didn't feel i should have to buy another just cause the wrong one was installed ie. the error was theirs not mine. the online description wasn't accurate so i mistakenly ordered a california version (my residence is n.w. & own property in cali) expecting a shorter magazine, similar to 10 shot mag for sig 522.
my dealer spoke to anderson directly for me @ shot show. & again they explained all the 'inherited issues' & felt that i should be more understanding of their position regarding repair & having to pay for shipping for said repairs. i understand & have decided to do business w/another importer.
ati imports for gsg, the new hk clone is made by gsg.
http://www.americantactical.us/9/catalog.html

ati might not currently have a scar clone available but would expect them to release something similar w/in next few years if not sooner

vhinze
04-01-2012, 1:37 PM
Have occupied myself with getting the MK22 back to what was originally intended. Here's what's possible, and it works as good as it looks.

Of course, Wisconsin has none of the goofy Peoples Republik of Kalifornia restrictions on military type firearms. You Left Coast guys have my sympathy.

Here is a link to the MK22 thread on FNforum. My intent is to help members suffering with a screwed up rifle, not to break a rule on this forum. If you take the time to read through the ISSC thread over there, you'll learn everything you need to know to get your MK22 working.

http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-16s/25613-issc-mk22-supressors-scopes-acessories-etc-3.html

LX Kid
12-01-2015, 7:03 AM
I know this is an old thread but, I just bought a California model and was wondering how to remove the brake on the end. Does it screw off or is it attached some other way? Don't want to mess up my barrel without getting a little help first. I live in the "Free State of Florida" and can have those "evil" flash suppressors! Thanks