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diego-ted
02-25-2011, 5:25 PM
My reason for this post is to give real life experiences with less then stellar scopes. Not everyone can afford a Leupold or Zeiss. I myself have used the Vortex Crossfire and can give this report. Out to 500 yards the optics is very clear. The zoom works well, the scope holds zero even with my Saga 308. Two negatives are that all the clicks of adjustment are not usable, at least 25 of them on elevation and the reticule could be a little thinner. Not bad for $100. What other scopes that cost less than $200 have members moved that worked well for the low price? Below are some I have found in the discount range, anyone used any of them?



http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Crossfire-Rifle-Scope-P43585.aspx

http://swfa.com/Barska-8-32x50-Varmint-Rifle-Scope-P7023.aspx

http://www.shopbarska.com/Riflescope-4_16x50_IR_Sniper_Scope_by_Barska_red_Ir_mil_dot.h tml

http://swfa.com/Nikko-Stirling-6-24x50-GameKing-Riflescope-P40413.aspx

Quinc
02-25-2011, 5:29 PM
bushnell elite 3200 10x40 with mil dots is onsale right now for 175$ at midwayusa.

Lead-Thrower
02-25-2011, 6:00 PM
For good quality glass under $200, I would go with the Nikon Prostaff series. I have the 3-9x40 on one of my rifles and it has performed very well (clear, holds zero, etc). I would stay away from the cheap Barska glass, but thats just my opinion. YMMV.

RawImpact
02-25-2011, 7:01 PM
Vortex
Nikon
Nikko










Barska

docsmileyface
02-25-2011, 7:26 PM
Here is a way to get good glass cheap - find the scope you want on OpticsPlanet, then call them and say "Hey, I had a 15% coupon code in my mailbox but I accidentally deleted it....(this actually happened to me when I cleared out my AKO e-mail but they didn't ask for any evidence or anything)" and they take 15% off. I just got a Leupold Mark AR for close to your price point of $200 that way, as well as a Vortex SPARC for lik $160. :D

Mute
02-25-2011, 7:56 PM
Define cheap and define good. I have a Mueller APC that I use on a 10/22 with great result. It won't take a beating like my US Optics or Hensoldt scopes but it does what it was designed to do and I'm very happy with how it has performed.

erik_26
02-25-2011, 7:59 PM
I use a little cheap $30 Berska on my 10/22. It is a lot of fun for just plinking.

For $30.... very satisfied. Then again I am only shoot 25-50 yards just having fun. Not trying to achieve extreme accuracy.


Obviously a 10/22 isn't a .308:D On a larger gun that is for hunting or competition I would spend significantly more to get better glass. I don't subscribe to the idea of buying glass that costs more then the rifle though. I would spend $300-500 depending on my needs and the rifle it is going on.

But that is just me.

killshot44
02-25-2011, 8:25 PM
Ask the AirSofters...............

Bongos
02-25-2011, 8:33 PM
I owned and still have some of the following brands, US Optice, NightForce, Leupold, Nikon, Super Sniper, IOR, Zeiss, and Swarvorsky... and best dollar value is the Nikon bushmaster scope, less than $200 and optics is super clear... that said you really get what you pay for i ruggedness and front focal

triggs75
02-25-2011, 8:42 PM
Primary Arms http://www.primaryarms.com/category.sc?categoryId=156

pulserifle99
02-25-2011, 8:51 PM
Try a SWFA super sniper. I have one on my Remington 700 and have had nothing but success with it out to 800yds. Ot tracks well and hold it's zero. I think it's about $400 for the 10x model

jyo
02-25-2011, 8:52 PM
Both Leupold and Nikon have a cheaper line of scopes---also you can save big time buying used scopes right here on the Calguns 4-sale threads---don't be afraid to haggle!

pulserifle99
02-25-2011, 8:55 PM
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P499.aspx

surfNshoot
02-25-2011, 9:04 PM
any of these. http://swfa.com/Burris-Timberline-Rifle-Scopes-C1439.aspx

I use the same BDC reticle for my .22 tactical. it is dead on at 50, 75 and 100. Love it.

Jonathan Doe
02-25-2011, 9:07 PM
Try a Pride Fowler Industries scope. I tested a 10X42mm with BDC reticle a while ago. I like it, and ended up buying the scope. It is somewhere around $600. Made in Japan and has good lenses.

tileguy
02-25-2011, 10:33 PM
i put an osprey 10-40 power on a AR 7.62x51 over a year ago and more than 1000rds and so far so good holds zero adjust fine and hits steel out to 500 yrds cost under 175.00

evolixsurf
02-25-2011, 10:57 PM
im happy with my mueller tactical mil dot. Super cheap and super clear. WITH LIFETIME WARRANTY!

biloutkast
02-25-2011, 11:28 PM
no problems with my Redfield Revoultion 3x9x40mm.

http://www.redfield.com/riflescopes/

pretty cool commercial they have.
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mspiredm3
02-26-2011, 1:03 AM
Primary Arms http://www.primaryarms.com/category.sc?categoryId=156

Their 4-16 is amazing for the money!

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Divernhunter
02-26-2011, 1:59 AM
I have bought at least 20 Leupolds off E-Bay and only 2 were $200 or more. A used Leupold is as good as a new one and better than the cheap ones you are talking about.

Mr.Caketown
02-26-2011, 2:31 AM
Primary Arms or BSA Sweet scopes

rascalgto
02-26-2011, 2:39 AM
i just bought a used falcon menace 5.5-25x50mm, mil/mil for 350 its going to go on my FAL build. i read good reviews on snipers hide

till44
02-26-2011, 9:10 AM
I have a SS 10x on my Rem 700 and have been pretty impressed with it for the money ($300). It's clear glass, holds a solid zero, and adjustments are definite clicks. It's been banged around in the desert and mountains with no problems.

I have had a Primary Arms 1-4x ($125) on my recce build for about 2 years now. I bought it and then planned to upgrade to something more respected but after using it I haven't seen any reason to fork out the extra cash. I was out at panoche a few weeks ago and was hitting 4" targets out to 250-300 yards with no problem.

Poppy83
02-26-2011, 11:27 AM
I have a SS 10x on my Rem 700 and have been pretty impressed with it for the money ($300). It's clear glass, holds a solid zero, and adjustments are definite clicks. It's been banged around in the desert and mountains with no problems.

I have had a Primary Arms 1-4x ($125) on my recce build for about 2 years now. I bought it and then planned to upgrade to something more respected but after using it I haven't seen any reason to fork out the extra cash. I was out at panoche a few weeks ago and was hitting 4" targets out to 250-300 yards with no problem.

I've had the same experience with Primary Arms. I put my 1-4x24 on a Sig522 and it's great! I'm about to finish my 2nd AR and am still trying to decide on which scope to get for it. I'll probably end up with the PA 4-16, though.

jm13690
02-26-2011, 11:40 AM
I suggest you start looking through ebay. You can get some pretty killer deals on there. I got a brand new Zeiss scope for over have the original price.

captbilly
02-26-2011, 12:51 PM
I have a Millett TRS-1 and an LRS-1, both with illuminated reticle and Mil dot with 1/10 mill adjustments. They are solid with very decent optics, hold zero perfectly and the LRS in particular has a huge range of adjustment ( 140MOA or more of adjustment) so you don't need a canted base.

shadow65
02-26-2011, 1:34 PM
I'll tell you about a scope that really suprised me. A UTG 4 X. I tested. I froze it, submerged it in 10" of water, banged it around, put several hundred rounds on it, and it not only held up but held zero.
Dave

U5512
02-26-2011, 1:37 PM
Awhile back I wanted an inexpensive scope for my AR for plinking paper or steel plate at the range. I paid $87 delivered for this Simmons 6.5-20X50mm from Midway and I finally had a chance to test it at the range this week. I just slapped it on my upper and with NO ADJUSTMENT whatsoever it was hitting bullseye at 25 yards. Next time to the range I am going to sight it in at 50 yards. For my purpose I am very pleased with the scope.
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/U5512/AR15/Picture1234-1.jpg
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/U5512/AR15/Picture1225.jpg

Cokebottle
02-26-2011, 1:39 PM
I have bought at least 20 Leupolds off E-Bay and only 2 were $200 or more. A used Leupold is as good as a new one and better than the cheap ones you are talking about.
Careful with that.

Many (perhaps most) Leupolds on eBay are counterfeit. This is a HUGE issue right now, and impacting nearly all of the scope manufacturers.

Contact Leupold with your serial numbers and they'll let you know if yours is legit.

xibunkrlilkidsx
02-26-2011, 2:17 PM
Nikon buckamster on my 700 is a very good scope. the simmons i have on my ar is nice as well. but the buckmark takes the cake.

shooterdude
02-26-2011, 3:49 PM
I have a Center Point Scope from Walmart on a Savage .22 and it is flawless. I have a Simmons 6.5-20 x50 on a Savage .17 HMR and it is simply perfect.

Haven't tried these on a centerfire rifle but for what I do at mostly under 100 yards, cheap glass is the way to go.

Divernhunter
02-26-2011, 8:48 PM
Mine are all leupolds not knock-offs. Most of them are the older varriX-II 3X9X40 and a few are older VarriX-III 3.5X10X40 or 6.5X20X40. I watch closely for the so-called Leupold made in china etc and stay away from them. Most of mine came with the Leupold box and many with the paperwork.

Yes you need to be carefull and if in doubt ask the seller. Also if it is too cheap I would beware.

CRTguns
02-26-2011, 9:04 PM
For close range- Bushnell makes a 1-4 shotgun scope with a cirlce x reticle for $80 and a 1.5-4.5 for $60. I know half dozen guys use these scopes in 3-gun.

AM9000
02-26-2011, 9:26 PM
My two favorites:

Weaver 1.5-4x24
Simmons 1.5-5x20

The weaver is available for less than 300.00, Very good Japanese glass.
The Simmons proved to be very solid for me and can be had for less than $100.

Invest in the mount for good results with any optic.

MaHoTex
02-26-2011, 9:34 PM
I have a Center Point Scope from Walmart on a Savage .22 and it is flawless. I have a Simmons 6.5-20 x50 on a Savage .17 HMR and it is simply perfect.

Haven't tried these on a centerfire rifle but for what I do at mostly under 100 yards, cheap glass is the way to go.



^^ This ^^

$50 or $60 and you really can not go wrong. I have 2 of these myself and will put the centerfire version on my 2nd AR build to test it out.

I have to 30mm version on a Marlin 795 and It is great at 50 and 75 yards. Additionally, I have the Centerpoint red dot on my M&P15-22 and live it as well.

rattlesnake_nm
02-26-2011, 9:39 PM
This here is hands down the best glass for the money http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/rifle-scopes/standard/po-3-9x38-fed-zoom-weapon-rifle-scope-w-duplex-reticle.html Like getting a Zeiss for $199.

thrillhouse700
02-26-2011, 10:26 PM
Anyone use the primary arms scope mount?

diego-ted
02-27-2011, 5:06 PM
Lots of great info, I would really like to see some side by side testing of these lesser models next to the high $$$ Stuff.

Diego

Flouncer
02-27-2011, 5:28 PM
Between this thread and the other one:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=400863

There's about 70 replies already. I would like to really see a technical unbias evaluation under alb and field conditions of these scopes. real repeatable tests with data developed to illustrate what you get with a $100, $200, $400, and $1,400 scope.

How about it ???

mspiredm3
02-27-2011, 6:14 PM
Lots of great info, I would really like to see some side by side testing of these lesser models next to the high $$$ Stuff.

Diego

Between this thread and the other one:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=400863

There's about 70 replies already. I would like to really see a technical unbias evaluation under alb and field conditions of these scopes. real repeatable tests with data developed to illustrate what you get with a $100, $200, $400, and $1,400 scope.

How about it ???

That would be really helpful!

If someone decides to do this in the LA area, I can offer my Primary Arms 4-16x for the test.

Mr. Burns
02-27-2011, 6:38 PM
I have a BSA Sweet .22 3-9X40 scope that works like a champ. The glass is super clear, it holds zero and I can go from shooting 25yds to 300yds in a snap. Yes...I said 300yds lol.

pontiacpratt
02-27-2011, 7:14 PM
$180 for a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40mm and it's an excellent scope. I love it it's very clear and held zero on my 700 in .308 for the 500 rounds It was mounted, it's now on my AR (I upgraded my 700 to a Vortex Viper)

jm13690
02-27-2011, 8:19 PM
im happy with my mueller tactical mil dot. Super cheap and super clear. WITH LIFETIME WARRANTY!

+1 on the Mueller. Nice scope with a nice price.

Vtec44
02-27-2011, 9:25 PM
any of these. http://swfa.com/Burris-Timberline-Rifle-Scopes-C1439.aspx

I use the same BDC reticle for my .22 tactical. it is dead on at 50, 75 and 100. Love it.

I have the Timberline 3x9x32 for my 16" RRA LAR AR15.

This is using PMC .223 at 100 yards.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z122/Vtec44/Zombie%20Survival/CIMG4207.jpg

rattlesnake_nm
03-07-2011, 8:34 PM
I have the Timberline 3x9x32 for my 16" RRA LAR AR15.

This is using PMC .223 at 100 yards.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z122/Vtec44/Zombie%20Survival/CIMG4207.jpg

10 shot groups for ar15s!!!!!!! pmc bronze?

jpscoot_21
03-07-2011, 11:33 PM
Swift Optics, Sightron, Cabelas Alaskan guide series, The new redfields are made by Leupold.

Vtec44
03-08-2011, 8:13 AM
10 shot groups for ar15s!!!!!!! pmc bronze?

10-shot group? Gotta try that next time. Yes, PMC Bronze FTW!!

rattlesnake_nm
03-08-2011, 9:30 AM
10-shot group? Gotta try that next time. Yes, PMC Bronze FTW!!

Wow, very impressive for pmc bronze. I was just messing with You about the 10 shot groups. That is pretty much the standard on other forums for ar15 groups.

21SF
03-08-2011, 9:44 AM
I forgot where i saw it, someone took a remington sps tactical to a police training course with a falcon menace and it didnt hold zero after running it through its paces.