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jasonnorcal
02-25-2011, 4:03 PM
Help me spend my tax refund. I've got 2 16" 5.56 middys so I'm thinking I need something to shoot 500\600 yds.

pacrimguru
02-25-2011, 4:09 PM
it really depends if you want to get into a whole other caliber. if so, the LMT MWS all the way... if not, then an SPR can scratch that itch.

Jpach
02-25-2011, 4:45 PM
LMT. It will scratch the itch that you never knew you had. Check out the link in my sig line, and look here http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1752509&nt=16&page=1

I had a DPMS .308 before and....the LMT is just so much more awesome. You can still score them for ~2300-~2400. Get in contact with the Kentucky Gun Co and they will set you up (got mine from them for sub $2300).

PlacerTactical
02-25-2011, 5:15 PM
LMT....why, because you already have 5.56 and with the 308 your not limited to 500-600yds.

crazychinaman
02-25-2011, 6:29 PM
Help me spend my tax refund. I've got 2 16" 5.56 middys so I'm thinking I need something to shoot 500\600 yds.

How about Kaiser KR7 ,REPR ,Scar 17S, J&D .308.POF .308

jasonnorcal
02-25-2011, 6:55 PM
LMT....why, because you already have 5.56 and with the 308 your not limited to 500-600yds.

I'm pretty sure I read the max effective range of the M110 was 600 yds


No REPR, out of my price range. I did look at SCARS but i dunno.....I like the DI LMT, FTW!:D

docsmileyface
02-25-2011, 7:01 PM
Why can't you shoot the 16" middys out to 500/600yds?

PlacerTactical
02-25-2011, 7:14 PM
I'm pretty sure I read the max effective range of the M110 was 600 yds

LMT's LM308MWS has an effective range of 800m.

jasonnorcal
02-25-2011, 7:15 PM
Why can't you shoot the 16" middys out to 500/600yds?

I suppose it's possible, theyre just set up right now for cqb/mid range work and are not very accurate. hahaha......me or the rifles

docsmileyface
02-25-2011, 7:25 PM
Maximum range for a 14.5" M4 is 550 meters for a point target, which is about 600 yards. It is doable if you got a good fundamentals and dope on your weapon and learn to call the wind.

Stooman
02-25-2011, 8:05 PM
I'd go LMT if I could. I hear only good things about them and really have been itching for one. Hopefully I find a briefcase full of money

Bongos
02-25-2011, 8:16 PM
How about Kaiser KR7 ,REPR ,Scar 17S, J&D .308.POF .308


You recommending these but have you actually owned the mentioned? I can comment on the MWS, OBR and REPR, which I've owned, amazingly the least expensive was hands down the winner... MWS

Calgunner217
02-25-2011, 8:51 PM
If your gonna get a good amount in a lump sum from the Fed, go with the LMT MWS. You can always slowly piece together a nice SPR build, when funds allow. LMT .308 MWS all the way.

duc748bip
02-25-2011, 8:51 PM
I'm selling my Argentine FAL so on the lookout for a another 308 auto-loader :D

pacrimguru
02-25-2011, 11:42 PM
How about Kaiser KR7 ,REPR ,Scar 17S, J&D .308.POF .308

^ those? seriously?

if i were to suggest anything but the MWS, i'd say OBR.

battleship
02-25-2011, 11:52 PM
You all seem to recomend the LMT MWS is it for the price/value for money, what does it have or can do that a SCAR17 or REPR cannot.

Jpach
02-26-2011, 12:01 AM
You all seem to recomend the LMT MWS is it for the price/value for money, what does it have or can do that a SCAR17 or REPR cannot.

For one you can actually make use of the quick barrel change feature....and actually change calibers, barrel length, etc. And its an AR. Most people are familiar with it. There are reasons why the British chose it.

pacrimguru
02-26-2011, 12:02 AM
You all seem to recomend the LMT MWS is it for the price/value for money, what does it have or can do that a SCAR17 or REPR cannot.

the MWS can change barrels (length, material, twist), as well as caliber all in an inherently more accurate DI design. the SCAR and REPR can't say the same.

santacruzstefan
02-26-2011, 12:17 AM
I was going to ask this same question, basically. However, I had been comparing the LMT MRP with the MWS. On the one hand, the MRP is cheaper, and the ammo for it is cheaper. ON the other hand, the MWS has had all-around excellent reviews (wish it had right-side bolt release/ left hand charging handle, but not a big deal). I sold my AR a few months back, though, so I'm out a rifle in 5.56. That might be a deciding factor, but what say you, fellas? MRP or MWS?

docsmileyface
02-26-2011, 7:19 AM
I'd seriously say instead of dropping $3000 on a gun, buy good glass, a free float rail system, and a good trigger for one of your 16" rifles and turn it into a "RECCE" build, then spend the rest of it on ammo to get good dope at 500/600 yds and practice making wind calls. The rifles you already have are ready and able to make those shots, even more so with a couple of minor upgrades.

This is exactly what I am doing right now to my midlength. It was originally pretty much a clone from a magpul video but then I realized that I hated the weight and balance and decided to try to sell it because it didn't really have a place to fill in my armory that a different AR config couldn't do better. I saw an ad for the Leupold Mark AR scope and decided thats what I was going to do with it - turn it from a "CQB-type gun" into a longer range gun. So far I've got the Mark AR scope in an LT-104 mount, a Surefire MB556K muzzle break and I'm saving on a Geiselle SSA trigger.

But if I was going to put out that much for a rifle, I would (and did) go with the SCAR 17S.

Bongos
02-26-2011, 7:29 AM
You all seem to recomend the LMT MWS is it for the price/value for money, what does it have or can do that a SCAR17 or REPR cannot.

I cannot say the same for the SCAR17s (Since I've never owned one) but for the REPR, as much Match ammo loads in many different weights (147, 155, 165, 168, 175, & 177) the best I was able to do was MOA. MWS was sub MOA, though I have not personally acheive half MOA, my friend Greg, did with his MWS.

Also the MWS as well as the REPR takes the plentiful PMAG where as the SCAR17s is proprietary

It's just not the money/value thing with the MWS, there are other factors mention here in this thread, the MWS just happens to be the Real Deal

jasonnorcal
02-26-2011, 8:17 AM
I'd seriously say instead of dropping $3000 on a gun, buy good glass, a free float rail system, and a good trigger for one of your 16" rifles and turn it into a "RECCE" build, then spend the rest of it on ammo to get good dope at 500/600 yds and practice making wind calls. The rifles you already have are ready and able to make those shots, even more so with a couple of minor upgrades.

I'd want to upgrade the barrel also

If your gonna get a good amount in a lump sum from the Fed, go with the LMT MWS. You can always slowly piece together a nice SPR build, when funds allow. LMT .308 MWS all the way.

Not enough to get the MWS, it would be about 1\2 cash 1\2 credit, which makes the spr a little more realistic as i could build as i go like you said

pacrimguru
02-26-2011, 8:24 AM
I'd want to upgrade the barrel also



Not enough to get the MWS, it would be about 1\2 cash 1\2 credit, which makes the spr a little more realistic as i could build as i go like you said

WOA 18" SPR Barrel w/ rifle length gas... do it!

http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=449

Jpach
02-26-2011, 1:08 PM
You know what, now that I know you dont have a 5.56, I say get a 5.56 first. Get a MWS later, they will be around for a while.

Or get the MWS if you feel you NEED the coolest gun possible lol

evolixsurf
02-26-2011, 1:55 PM
you might think im crazy, but I am not so sure the .308 ar system will be "around for a while" here in california. I am going to get one as soon as i can....

Edit: The value seems fair... If I were to build one, it would be very similar and would likely cost a little more.

Plus, you already have 5.56's? Get something new.

Jpach
02-26-2011, 2:00 PM
^^^^You arent crazy, just misinformed :P. No more guns can be added to the AW list, so as long as it is OK on a federal level, they will be good here.

Uriah02
02-26-2011, 2:06 PM
I would reserve a bolt gun for 600+ thus vote LMT for 500/600m

DocSkinner
02-26-2011, 4:00 PM
2 things -

1) Why not a Noveske .308?

2) I would agree - unless you are looking at being a squad marksman, a good bolt .308 (or larger) would probably be a better overall option for reaching out to 600-800 yards.

I have a REM R25, and while it is fun to take out, I think I would likely use a good .308 bolt more than I will this.

lelandEOD
02-26-2011, 5:23 PM
I'd say LaRue OBR... but then again... I'm biased.

:D
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo159/993_guy/P1050946Large.jpg

I was actually looking at the LMT's very hard but got tired of waiting for the 18" version to be released.

That may not be a problem now.

I am very happy with the fit and finish on my LaRue and the switchable gas block is great with the suppressor.

Something tells me you wouldn't be disappointed with the .308.

lelandEOD
02-26-2011, 5:27 PM
SPR's are cool too...


Pick your poison.

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo159/993_guy/P1050411Large.jpg

Moderator note: these photos were taken before I moved to CA. Please don't delete.

RONIN.
02-26-2011, 5:37 PM
well from my experience.. you can fire a 5.56 over 600yrds.. not optimal.. but can be done.. yet a 308 can easily shoot out well over 600yrds..

i have many 5.56 rifles and carbines.. even a mk12 mod 1.. and i will say if your looking into going long range, a 5.56 is not what you want to be shooting long range with..

my 16" 308 carbine.. can hit 12" x 12" steel plates all the way out to 975yrds.. farthest i have tried with it..

i say lmt..

jasonnorcal
02-26-2011, 6:18 PM
2 things -

1) Why not a Noveske .308?

2) I would agree - unless you are looking at being a squad marksman, a good bolt .308 (or larger) would probably be a better overall option for reaching out to 600-800 yards

1. I like the MWS lower, it's got some curves to it unlike the noveske & dpms lowers

2. Ideally one day I will live in another state & be able to get 20 rnd mags to really put some fire downrange :43:

well from my experience.. you can fire a 5.56 over 600yrds.. not optimal.. but can be done.. yet a 308 can easily shoot out well over 600yrds..

i have many 5.56 rifles and carbines.. even a mk12 mod 1.. and i will say if your looking into going long range, a 5.56 is not what you want to be shooting long range with..

my 16" 308 carbine.. can hit 12" x 12" steel plates all the way out to 975yrds.. farthest i have tried with it..

i say lmt..

Well stated and food for thought...........


About the OBR, while I have nothing but good things to say about larue from my very limited experience (2 mounts) the OBR just isnt my cup o tea

Thanks for all the responses everybody....:cheers2:

lelandEOD
02-26-2011, 7:00 PM
Just don't buy a 16" barrel .308 and expect to get reliable hits at 800 yards.

If you go with the MWS, look for the 18" model.

DocSkinner
02-26-2011, 7:14 PM
1. I like the MWS lower, it's got some curves to it unlike the noveske & dpms lowers

2. Ideally one day I will live in another state & be able to get 20 rnd mags to really put some fire downrange :43:



Well stated and food for thought...........


About the OBR, while I have nothing but good things to say about larue from my very limited experience (2 mounts) the OBR just isnt my cup o tea

Thanks for all the responses everybody....:cheers2:



Point #2 - 10 rounder limit may go away here sometime (in about 2 weeks?), but even just using tens - hard putting accurate fire out at 200+ yards in rapid fire. You got a spot to shoot and bring the ammo, I'll bring the R25 (its got a Nikon 4-16SF MilDot on it), and you can try it for yourself! Much why I think I would rather have invested in a good magazine-fed .308 bolt.

DocSkinner
02-26-2011, 7:25 PM
And as for SPR v LMT - I think I would probable now go with the N6 with the 14 inch (16"+ with muzzle brake), and 125gr Doubletap or CorBon, and a good bolt with heavier rounds for distance!

RONIN.
02-26-2011, 9:18 PM
now I am not saying, to get a 16" barreled 308 and shoot 1000yrds.. but what i am saying is it can be done.. with enough time behind the weapon..

personally if i was building or buying a 308 ar.. i would go for a 18" kind of best of both worlds.. the barrel length needed for velocity.. and fairly short enough move with..

ronin.

vg247
03-03-2011, 1:16 PM
I've ordered from them before as well..great prices and great company! How did they handle configuring the 'ambi mag release" on the LMT for you, since with the AR's I sent them my raddlock to install prior to shipping here in CA?

Thank you


LMT. It will scratch the itch that you never knew you had. Check out the link in my sig line, and look here http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1752509&nt=16&page=1

I had a DPMS .308 before and....the LMT is just so much more awesome. You can still score them for ~2300-~2400. Get in contact with the Kentucky Gun Co and they will set you up (got mine from them for sub $2300).

Jpach
03-03-2011, 1:40 PM
I've ordered from them before as well..great prices and great company! How did they handle configuring the 'ambi mag release" on the LMT for you, since with the AR's I sent them my raddlock to install prior to shipping here in CA?

Thank you

No problem ;)

The Kentucky Gun Co simply sent the lower to my FFL and sent the disassembled mag and upper to my house. Once my DROS was up, I picked up my lower and then punched the roll pin out (or was it a screw?) on the left side mag release. This then allowed me to put the Radd lock on and only have one side to release the mag on. I highly suggest this route!

vg247
03-03-2011, 5:18 PM
Thanks very much Jpach- I'll go the same route when I make the purchase. Does the LMT use the same raddlock as .223 AR's?



No problem ;)

The Kentucky Gun Co simply sent the lower to my FFL and sent the disassembled mag and upper to my house. Once my DROS was up, I picked up my lower and then punched the roll pin out (or was it a screw?) on the left side mag release. This then allowed me to put the Radd lock on and only have one side to release the mag on. I highly suggest this route!