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deadcoyote
02-25-2011, 9:19 AM
Hey all. I'm looking for a flat top Varmint type upper for my AR. I'm on a budget so I'be basically narrowed it down to these options:
1) DPMS 24" stainless bull barrel 1:9 upper for $479.
2) Bushmaster Stainless 20" BB with 1:8 twist for $575.
3) WOA upper with stainless 24" BB and 1:8 twist for $620.

I've read about BCG problems with DPMS, also heard that was several years ago and it's been sorted out. I'd prefer the 1:8 twist rate, and the 24" barrel. I figure if I'm gonna spend that much on the bushmaster might as well pony up a little more on the WOA. Anybody have a similar DPMS rig? How does it shoot?

javalos
02-25-2011, 9:32 AM
You could save a little more money and look into Rock River Arms Varmint uppers that have Wylde chambers.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=270

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=271

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=387

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=527

deadcoyote
02-25-2011, 9:42 AM
You could save a little more money and look into Rock River Arms Varmint uppers that have Wylde chambers.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=270

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=271

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=387

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=527

This is good info, thanks. That is the other issue I forgot to highlight. Only the bushmaster has the 5.56 chamber, the others are .223 only. Now I've got to consider spending an extra 20 bucks on the RRA!

Agustav
02-25-2011, 9:47 AM
I recently put together a 24" DPMS upper varminter. With plinking ammo, it will shoot about MOA at 100 yrds. During the same session, I fired around 150 without any issues due to the upper. Depends on what you are going to use the rifle for, it might be good enough! I am still playing around with the loads at the moment. I think with the right load it should shoot sub MOA without a problem...

Trapper
02-25-2011, 9:49 AM
I went with a 20" RRA Preditor Pursuit, it's not as heavy as a full bull barrel and shoots 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100yds with 69gr SMK's and 60gr Sierra varminter bullets.

Knife Edge
02-25-2011, 10:06 AM
Hey all. I'm looking for a flat top Varmint type upper for my AR. I'm on a budget so I'be basically narrowed it down to these options:
1) DPMS 24" stainless bull barrel 1:9 upper for $479.
2) Bushmaster Stainless 20" BB with 1:8 twist for $575.
3) WOA upper with stainless 24" BB and 1:8 twist for $620.

I've read about BCG problems with DPMS, also heard that was several years ago and it's been sorted out. I'd prefer the 1:8 twist rate, and the 24" barrel. I figure if I'm gonna spend that much on the bushmaster might as well pony up a little more on the WOA. Anybody have a similar DPMS rig? How does it shoot?

Id get the BM Predator Upper for 69gr and up or the Varminter for 40 to 69gr. The Varminter is 4" longer, less aggressive rifling. I have not shot 50gr out of my Varminter, as I have been happy with the 69gr. The 50gr Hornady would shoot super flat out of that 1:9 24".

diego-ted
02-25-2011, 11:20 AM
This is good info, thanks. That is the other issue I forgot to highlight. Only the bushmaster has the 5.56 chamber, the others are .223 only. Now I've got to consider spending an extra 20 bucks on the RRA!

If one were wise, they would go on AR15.com and do a search on Varment uppers. There is a vender selling RRA uppers at quite the discount and since they get dropshipped from RRA, the wait time is the same!:mnl::party:

deadcoyote
02-25-2011, 12:08 PM
If one were wise, they would go on AR15.com and do a search on Varment uppers. There is a vender selling RRA uppers at quite the discount and since they get dropshipped from RRA, the wait time is the same!:mnl::party:

Dude, I just checked that out and you get the gold star of the day. Holy sheet, why would a company have a ditributor sell their uppers for so much less than their own website? Oh well, you saved me a bundle.

sniper4usmc
02-25-2011, 12:15 PM
or you can buy model 1 .

rareair
02-25-2011, 12:32 PM
Holy sheet, why would a company have a ditributor sell their uppers for so much less than their own website?

The more apt question would be "Why should vendors sell a brand in which they are competing directly against?"

This is why restaurants no longer carry Pepsi products- Pepsi themselves own several restaurant chains

jm13690
02-25-2011, 1:36 PM
Any thoughts on going for 204 Ruger round instead of 223?

Just throwing that idea out there.

Yemff
02-25-2011, 1:39 PM
http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/stags-super-tackdriver?packedargs=recid%253D1198098376868

Merc1138
02-25-2011, 1:40 PM
The more apt question would be "Why should vendors sell a brand in which they are competing directly against?"

This is why restaurants no longer carry Pepsi products- Pepsi themselves own several restaurant chains

It won't matter once Taco Bell wins the franchise wars, all you'll have to drink will be pepsi products.(unless you're outside the US, where the international release had Pizza Hut winning the war).

Anyone know what pricerange the guy on ar15.com is selling those RRA uppers for? They're normally in the low $600s on RRA's website.

DizzyD
02-25-2011, 2:43 PM
+1 RRA Predator Pursuit...outstanding accuracy using 69gr-75gr match ammo

diego-ted
02-25-2011, 4:10 PM
Dude, I just checked that out and you get the gold star of the day. Holy sheet, why would a company have a ditributor sell their uppers for so much less than their own website? Oh well, you saved me a bundle.

Who cares? Not I, did you get the chrome BCG? With the savings you can look for some glass for that thing!

Diego

Lead-Thrower
02-25-2011, 4:16 PM
I have a Stag 6H upper, it's 1/8 twist and 24". You can find them for $550

You can read about it here:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/stags-super-tackdriver?packedargs=recid%253D1198098376868

This. I love my Stag 6.

Jonathan Doe
02-25-2011, 4:37 PM
This is what my Rock River Arms 24" upper did for me with my Berger 77gr BTHP handloads. It was shot at 100 yards, 5 shots. The black target paste is 3/4"X1". I still need to work with it a little more, but it will do for now. The complete RRA upper cost me $550 couple of years ago.

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq263/5topgun/Targets/DSC_0005Large.jpg

Ub3rDorK
02-25-2011, 5:19 PM
How is the Wylde chamber? I dont really plan on ever shooting 5.56 unless some zombie apocalypse happens and All i have access to is the NATO round...and I dont plan on reloading 5.56 but .223 yes i will be primarily using and reloading.

killshot44
02-25-2011, 5:30 PM
Hey all. I'm looking for a flat top Varmint type upper for my AR. I'm on a budget so I'be basically narrowed it down to these options:
1) DPMS 24" stainless bull barrel 1:9 upper for $479.
2) Bushmaster Stainless 20" BB with 1:8 twist for $575.
3) WOA upper with stainless 24" BB and 1:8 twist for $620.


The difference in price is nothing, you'll spend as much on ammo in a couple of months.
Get the best, WOA. John builds Uppers for many of the nationally-ranked Service and Match Rifle competitors.

I would get his whole Upper, he's a wizard at making the parts work together.
If you want to do it yourself, that same barrel can be had for $385 (with gas block, gas tube and matched bolt), order one and buy a complete Upper receiver, a free-float handguard and you're done.

Their reputation is well-deserved.

5968
02-25-2011, 7:02 PM
I had a 24" DPMS upper that shot really nice groups (easily under MOA), but it was just too heavy to take out hunting. I ended up trading it for another upper that I have been happy with, but I still needed a hunting rig. I had a friend that had a Rock River 18" varmint that was a great shooter so I started searching the net for the best price. I ended up here: http://www.rbprecision.com/rock_river_arms_ar15_rifles.htm

They have great prices and customer service. I would not hesitate to buy from them again, and in fact I am already planning on purchasing from them again. I ended up getting the Rock River predator pursuit with a 16" threaded barrel. After mounting my scope and installing a muzzle brake, this has become my favorite rig.

Jonathan Doe
02-25-2011, 8:10 PM
How is the Wylde chamber? I dont really plan on ever shooting 5.56 unless some zombie apocalypse happens and All i have access to is the NATO round...and I dont plan on reloading 5.56 but .223 yes i will be primarily using and reloading.

RRA barrels have Wylde chambers. It lets you shoot pretty much all the 223/5.56 rounds without pressure problem.

deadcoyote
02-26-2011, 7:37 AM
Thanks for all the feedback. I'm not interested in the .204 as I already have around a thousand rounds of .223 and 5.56, and reloading gear for both. i dont want to jump off into the cost of 'getting into' a new caliber. It's a tough choice between the WOA and the RRA. The RRA is significantly cheaper ($100) and I saw a bunch of photo's on Arf showing .5 moa out of the box accuracy. On a lighter note, I'm leaving for 14 nights in hawaii in about 45 minutes so I'll have something to mull over on my vacation. Thanks, see you guys in a couple of weeks.

pyro3k2
02-26-2011, 9:52 AM
If your birthday is coming up, midway gives a nice % discout on most things online. I picked up this http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=263073 for $540 shipped to my door.

shootin' nuke
02-26-2011, 4:28 PM
+1 for the RRA Predator Pursuit rifle. Mine shoots quite nicely with 77gr. match and 60gr. V-Max loads. It's still a little heavy for walking, but it's lighter then the true "heavy barrel" rifles.