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Patriot
09-28-2006, 5:48 PM
Hi all,

Quick question, does CA recognize the C&R status of the federal BATFE C&R list; or do CA firearms have to be at least 51 years old to be C&R regardless of the list?

Thanks

zinfull
09-28-2006, 6:07 PM
The States C&R's are the same as the Feds. But you need to DROS any long gun under 50yrs old, and all pistols.

Jerry

derek@thepackingrat.net
09-28-2006, 6:08 PM
I found this link very useful to learn a few basics.
http://www.empirearms.com/cal-ffl.htm

hdcd
09-28-2006, 6:49 PM
The States C&R's are the same as the Feds. But you need to DROS any long gun under 50yrs old, and all pistols.

Jerry

Not entirely true..There are a few C&R rifles under 50 yrs old that you would not have to DROS FTF with another C&R holder.

TonyNorCal
09-28-2006, 7:06 PM
California uses the federal definition of C&Rs.

However, California places restrictions on what you can acquire using your C&R license.

~Ordering with your C&R license you are limited to long guns greater than 50 years of age. And, they must be 12276.1 compliant (no flashiders, grenade launchers, etc.). (Incidently, the feds define any firearm over 50 years old as a C&R). So no Yugo SKSs, Albanian SKS, etc.

~If you have a C&R and a COE you can cash and carry any C&R firearm from a Cali dealer, however you are still required to DROS. In fact, you need to DROS any firearm a Cali dealer has in his inventory (even if it's a long gun over 50 years). However if you have a C&R and COE you cannot order any C&R firearm, long guns 50 years and under and handguns need to pass through a dealer (see above).

~If you wish to buy or sell a long gun over 50 years of age from/to a private party here in California you don't need to DROS and you don't need a C&R. You can just do it. Of course, you can't knowingly sell to someone note eligible to own a firearm,

~If you're out of California you can use your C&R to purchase any C&R firearm. If it's a handgun you need to submit a form (on DOJs website) upon return as sort of a voluntary registration. You can't bring back something that would be illegal (like a grenade launching Yugo SKS).

Patriot
09-28-2006, 7:09 PM
Thanks - that clears quite a few things up.

TonyNorCal
09-28-2006, 7:10 PM
I found this link very useful to learn a few basics.
http://www.empirearms.com/cal-ffl.htm

Empire Arms is a great place. The owner, Dennis, is an ex-Californian, so he understands your pain. Also, the firearms they ship out have been looked over, so you order confidently and basically know what you're getting. He's great to deal with on the phone.

Empire Arms has a mailing list for firearms...they send out a list a few times a month to once every month...most of what's on the list sells within 24 hours and never makes it to their main page. So if you want a jump on some nice C&Rs go sign up for their list.

derek@thepackingrat.net
09-29-2006, 1:53 AM
Empire Arms is a great place. The owner, Dennis, is an ex-Californian, so he understands your pain. Also, the firearms they ship out have been looked over, so you order confidently and basically know what you're getting. He's great to deal with on the phone.

Empire Arms has a mailing list for firearms...they send out a list a few times a month to once every month...most of what's on the list sells within 24 hours and never makes it to their main page. So if you want a jump on some nice C&Rs go sign up for their list.

That's some awesome info - and bad news for my wallet. I'll be sure to get added to their list :)

EOD Guy
09-29-2006, 7:47 AM
Not entirely true..There are a few C&R rifles under 50 yrs old that you would not have to DROS FTF with another C&R holder.

Not in California. All firearms, except C&R rifles and shotguns over 50 years old, have to be processed through a dealer. The C&R status of the buyer/seller does not matter.

There are some exceptions for intrafamilial transfers and bequests.

AYEAREFIFTEEN
09-29-2006, 8:48 AM
~Ordering with your C&R license you are limited to long guns greater than 50 years of age. And, they must be 12276.1 compliant (no flashiders, grenade launchers, etc.). (Incidently, the feds define any firearm over 50 years old as a C&R). So no Yugo SKSs, Albanian SKS, etc.



I am curious about the grenade launcher restriction.

If the C&R firearm does not have a detactable magazine, having a grenade launcher would not violate 12276.1. Is it safe to assume it would still be illegal under the destructive devices penal code?

jmlivingston
09-29-2006, 8:56 AM
I am curious about the grenade launcher restriction.

If the C&R firearm does not have a detactable magazine, having a grenade launcher would not violate 12276.1. Is it safe to assume it would still be illegal under the destructive devices penal code?

Yup, that's exactly it. This is why the Yugo 59/66 SKS rifles have to be modified for sale in CA. (No pistol grip, no detachable magazine, so not otherwise an AW.)

John

hdcd
09-29-2006, 9:43 AM
Not in California. All firearms, except C&R rifles and shotguns over 50 years old, have to be processed through a dealer. The C&R status of the buyer/seller does not matter.

There are some exceptions for intrafamilial transfers and bequests.


Romanian SKS - Date of Mfg. 1957 - 1962

Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm as it is listed.

There are a number of C&R wholesalers who sell this as a C&R and "legal in CA" and I know they do.

There are others that are under 50 years that are listed as C&R .

EOD Guy
09-29-2006, 1:30 PM
Romanian SKS - Date of Mfg. 1957 - 1962

Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm as it is listed.

There are a number of C&R wholesalers who sell this as a C&R and "legal in CA" and I know they do.

There are others that are under 50 years that are listed as C&R .

They must be transferred through a California dealer. Any other transfer in California is a violation of California law. They are legal in California and California recognizes them as C&R. They still have to be transferred through a California dealer. Any other transfer in Calfornia is a felony under the California Penal Code [PC 12072(d)].

What you have to realize is that all firearms transfers in California must go through a dealer. There is no exception for C&R FFL holders. The 50 year old C&R exception is available to anyone eligible to possess firearms in the state, regardless of FFL status.