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jfrancis56
02-24-2011, 2:16 PM
I am going to purchase a rifle and handgun. The handgun will be used for home defense and SHTF scenarios, and the rifle will be used only for SHTF scenarios.

I have narrowed my choices down to two combinations:

1. AR15 and S&W 1911.

and

2. AK47 and Sig Sauer P229.

While choice #1 offers more accuracy/precision, choice #2 offers more reliability and less need for maintanence (although I realize the Sig will still require just as much maintanence as the 1911, I have decided that if I get an AK, I will get the Sig. At first I considered a AK47/Glock combo, but I have ruled out Glock at this point).

If you could only choose one of the above combos, and could not choose or substitute anything else, would you choose combo #1 or #2?

Thanks!

PsychGuy274
02-24-2011, 2:20 PM
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CSACANNONEER
02-24-2011, 2:25 PM
I prefer single stack mags so, I'd go with the 1911.

I don't really understand why you are buying a rifle for ONLY SHTF situations. Isn't that like keeping a car in the garage just in case you have to drive to the hospital? You really need to maintain it and take it (both a rifle and a vehicle) for a spin every once in a while. Otherwise, when you need it most, it's not going to run right and/or you are not going to be used to it enough to operate it safely and efficiently.

slocookie
02-24-2011, 2:30 PM
#2 for sure. the ak not only packs more of a "wallup" and can be found for cheap. they do decent out to 300 yards. 12" disks at 300yds is easy to accomplish with dirt cheap ammo like wolf and tiger, which can be had for $230/1000rds, versus the nearly $.50 a round you pay to feed your ar. i know you said not to substitute guns but i think for the best of both worlds looking into an ak74 instead of the 47 combined with your sig would be the a good idea as well.

mif_slim
02-24-2011, 2:35 PM
That sucks because I would of choosen a shotgun and a 22LR... grr...

jfrancis56
02-24-2011, 3:20 PM
I prefer single stack mags so, I'd go with the 1911.

I don't really understand why you are buying a rifle for ONLY SHTF situations. Isn't that like keeping a car in the garage just in case you have to drive to the hospital? You really need to maintain it and take it (both a rifle and a vehicle) for a spin every once in a while. Otherwise, when you need it most, it's not going to run right and/or you are not going to be used to it enough to operate it safely and efficiently.

What I mean is that other than the "range", I will not be using the rifle. I do not hunt (except Zombies) or do competitive shooting or anything like that.

So yes, I would fire both at the range every other month or more.

xxINKxx
02-24-2011, 3:25 PM
Ive been growing quite fond of the AK. Im an AR guy. But finally last weekend I bought a new AK that is acually built correct, and man I couldnt put that rifle down. Cant dispute the toughness of an AK either, simple design, and easy break down

And why no glock? Those things are tough as hell, great for SHTF scenario, and great range, home defence gun. best of all worlds

Legasat
02-24-2011, 3:28 PM
The Search function is your friend...

Archie B.
02-24-2011, 3:30 PM
AR & P229. For that type of scenario make sure you have 5.56 & 9 mm. :D

$P-Ritch$
02-24-2011, 3:35 PM
#2 for sure. the ak not only packs more of a "wallup" and can be found for cheap. they do decent out to 300 yards. 12" disks at 300yds is easy to accomplish with dirt cheap ammo like wolf and tiger, which can be had for $230/1000rds, versus the nearly $.50 a round you pay to feed your ar. i know you said not to substitute guns but i think for the best of both worlds looking into an ak74 instead of the 47 combined with your sig would be the a good idea as well.

Where do you buy your .223? It's very easy to find brass cased ammo for about .35/round or less. Then, if you want to go on par with the quality you mentioned for the 7.62x39, you can get steel cased tula/wolf/bear for under 200 shipped for a 1000.

$P-Ritch$
02-24-2011, 3:37 PM
If you go AK, build your own at a build party. I just made my first one this last weekend. Not only is the quality better for the same price as lower tier AKs, but you have a more complete understanding of the weapon system.

Endless
02-24-2011, 3:41 PM
Can't go wrong with choice A or B but I would also like to have a Benelli M4... :D

IMO there is nothing better at under 100 feet than an SBR KRISS Super V with red dot. You just can't beat it. 30 stick after 30 stick on target 99.9999% of the time.

MrPlink
02-24-2011, 3:47 PM
Can't go wrong with choice A or B but I would also like to have a Benelli M4... :D

IMO there is nothing better at under 100 feet than an SBR KRISS Super V with red dot. You just can't beat it. 30 stick after 30 stick on target 99.9999% of the time.

at 100 feet? big deal :rolleyes:

NapaCountyShooter
02-24-2011, 3:51 PM
All out battle within 100 yards, fighting for my life? I'll take the AK.
Everything else that happens in normal life? I'll go with the AR.

Endless
02-24-2011, 3:56 PM
at 100 feet? big deal :rolleyes:

LMAO. Whats your grouping of a .45 ACP at 100 feet? Would love to see it. All over the place right? :rolleyes: The Washington State Patrol were all over the place with a .45 ACP at 100 feet at the range. Civilians were struggling at 20 feet.

Anyone can shoot a .223/5.56 or 7.62 at 100 feet... Wait, do you own a Short Barrel Rifle KRISS Super V or a CRB KRISS? If you do then you know what I am talking about.

Sorry OP back on topic..

WTSGDYBBR
02-24-2011, 3:59 PM
AK and a p220S

MrPlink
02-24-2011, 4:07 PM
LMAO. Whats your grouping of a .45 ACP at 100 feet? Would love to see it. All over the place right? :rolleyes: The Washington State Patrol were all over the place with a .45 ACP at 100 feet at the range. Civilians were struggling at 20 feet.

Anyone can shoot a .223/5.56 or 7.62 at 100 feet... Wait, do you own a Short Barrel Rifle KRISS Super V or a CRB KRISS? If you do then you know what I am talking about.

Sorry OP back on topic..

Yes, anyone can shoot that well with 556 or 762x39, so I guess its a good thing Ive already got those!

And your question is loaded, asking me what my .45 grouping is like at 100 feet, because you are implying my attempt would be made with a std handgun, which I dont think I need to tell you, your KRISS (sbr or no) is not.

Feel free to start bragging about your R700 which shoots sub-moa all day long.

P.S. Im not trying to rag on the KRIS, its an awsome gun. But your performance anecdote remains unimpressive

RealBarber
02-24-2011, 4:18 PM
SGL21/G21SF

evidens83
02-24-2011, 5:16 PM
and the rifle will be used only for SHTF scenarios.



Well in that case save your money and keep playing CoD. If you're gonna use it for range work and HD then I would go with the AR. Unlike the AK you have an infinite amount of variations and accessories at your choosing.

Outta Control
02-24-2011, 5:20 PM
I know I'll get flamed on this but I would go with:

Piston driven AR and Glock 17

jfrancis56
02-24-2011, 5:36 PM
Well in that case save your money and keep playing CoD. If you're gonna use it for range work and HD then I would go with the AR. Unlike the AK you have an infinite amount of variations and accessories at your choosing.

Saying I want the rifle only for SHTF does not mean I wont be taking it to the range for practice. It means I wont be using an assault rifle for home defense.

I guess I just assumed in my original post that people would logically presume that I would actually shoot the rifle for practice, not just buy it for a situation that may never occur and let it sit in the closet for a lifetime.

ZX-10R
02-24-2011, 6:12 PM
If you only ever buy 2 then give me a call and I will buy dinner. No way will you just own 2...Each gun serves a purpose. I have a Daniel Defense M4 and two AK Patterns. I also own two handguns a FNP-9 and a M&P 45...If something happens, I am taking everything and everyone I can with me to arm them. My AK and PSL is HD in SB, M4 is in Irvine. Both handguns are in Irvine but one goes with me always and that is the M&P 45.

I also have a shotty and other guns. My M44 is in CV but that home will get a handgun soon as well.

Spetsnazos
02-24-2011, 6:16 PM
If you go AK, build your own at a build party. I just made my first one this last weekend. Not only is the quality better for the same price as lower tier AKs, but you have a more complete understanding of the weapon system.

what do you need to buy to build one at the party?? I'd like to do this in the very near future

vkosty
02-24-2011, 6:26 PM
Get Robinson XCR and you can.a have both in one rifle


I am going to purchase a rifle and handgun. The handgun will be used for home defense and SHTF scenarios, and the rifle will be used only for SHTF scenarios.

I have narrowed my choices down to two combinations:

1. AR15 and S&W 1911.

and

2. AK47 and Sig Sauer P229.

While choice #1 offers more accuracy/precision, choice #2 offers more reliability and less need for maintanence (although I realize the Sig will still require just as much maintanence as the 1911, I have decided that if I get an AK, I will get the Sig. At first I considered a AK47/Glock combo, but I have ruled out Glock at this point).

If you could only choose one of the above combos, and could not choose or substitute anything else, would you choose combo #1 or #2?

Thanks!

resident-shooter
02-24-2011, 6:30 PM
аss down AK. For all situations that there are out there...

pyro3k2
02-24-2011, 7:27 PM
This thread is going to be full of win, not only is it the old AR vs AK but it's the 9mm vs the .45acp also. We might as well just throw in Ford vs Chevy while we are at it.

Joe
02-24-2011, 7:30 PM
ar15 and glock

Vtec44
02-24-2011, 7:40 PM
This thread is going to be full of win, not only is it the old AR vs AK but it's the 9mm vs the .45acp also. We might as well just throw in Ford vs Chevy while we are at it.

I'll be loading my AR15 and XD9 onto my Toyota Tundra. :D

jfrancis56
02-24-2011, 7:46 PM
ar15 and glock

I dont know why, but Glock and AK seem to be the logical combination for a true SHTF situation (Katrina, etc.)

To me, Glock almost seems like the pistol version of an AK. Reliable, low maintenance, durable, ugly as hell.

But pairing a Glock with an AR, or 1911 with an AK, just seems weird to me personally.

My goal is to have one handgun and one rifle whose function reliability, etc. compliment each other.

arsilva32
02-24-2011, 8:09 PM
well i say both a and b! whats wrong with having 4 or more firearms?........anyone?

sevensix2x51
02-24-2011, 8:20 PM
im going with an SKS and a CZ75.

just because.

jfrancis56
02-24-2011, 8:20 PM
well i say both a and b! whats wrong with having 4 or more firearms?........anyone?

I like the way you think!

sevensix2x51
02-24-2011, 8:43 PM
http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/065/312/original/eqr1ad.jpg?1281641826

why am i not surprised.....

dieselpower
02-24-2011, 8:49 PM
This would depend on if you had brown hair or blond hair. Hold both then ask everyone in the gun store what combo makes you look cooler. You seem to have no idea what you are talking about anyway, so at least look cool while doing it.

My vote is the AK / Sig combo.
The AK is all the rage with the kids and makes you look like a real badass. The Sig has a reputation as a high end shooters choice for a sidearm, so it will appear to others you know what you are doing.

Stay away from the AR, it will cost 3x as much to look as cool and you will just be wasting your cash. The 1911 takes real knowledge, which you don't seem to care about. You need to avoid both of those.

MrPlink
02-24-2011, 9:13 PM
I'll be loading my AR15 and XD9 onto my Toyota Tundra. :D

FN SCAR and Toyota Celica is my bug out set up :cool:

jokat989
02-24-2011, 10:08 PM
option a is more American and patriotic

Cali-Shooter
02-24-2011, 10:46 PM
http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/065/312/original/eqr1ad.jpg?1281641826

why am i not surprised.....

Here's what got him zapped.

What is the most lethal home defense round between 9mm or .45?

Which would you rather use for HD?

Also, I have been trained not to shoot center mass, but instead at the balls. So, which would be more lethal for that area of the body?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=401246

:eek::smilielol5::D

MrPlink
02-24-2011, 10:52 PM
Here's what got him zapped.



http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=401246

:eek::smilielol5::D

well, I think Ive found my new sig line...

Anchors
02-25-2011, 3:23 AM
Dude. If you never practice with either, it won't matter in SHTF.
Also, guns are fun to shoot, not just look at :D
And what is this "or" word? I'm not sure I've heard of that...
Did you mean AR15 and AK47? Because I'm all about that. :]

ETA: I see you are a now-banned troll who started not only an "AR vs AK" thread, but also a "9mm vs .45" thread.
I admire your subtlety. haha.

sevensix2x51
02-25-2011, 4:28 AM
you all missed the "glock plastic toy" thread, which was nuked from orbit.

davek8s
02-25-2011, 8:29 AM
I know I'll get flamed on this but I would go with:

Piston driven AR and Glock 17

Not gonna hate on youre pick. I'd go with any AR and anything in 9mm or 40cal. An AK might be tuffer and have a better round, but police and military use 223 and either 9/40 cal hand guns. Much better for looting ammo in an emergency.

That said, having guns for a shtf senario is kind of a waste of money. If it his the fan, any gun in your hand gives you a leg up on the bulk of people. I think its better to spend your money on guns you'll shoot regulaly.

slocookie
02-25-2011, 9:21 AM
Where do you buy your .223? It's very easy to find brass cased ammo for about .35/round or less. Then, if you want to go on par with the quality you mentioned for the 7.62x39, you can get steel cased tula/wolf/bear for under 200 shipped for a 1000.

i guess that price quote was more specific to my region. here in Napa we cannot have ammo shipped to us, and $110+tax for a 200rd box of Federal Lake City XM193CBP 55gr FMJ Ammo is the norm, and it only goes up from there, where as ak ammo can be found for much cheaper. does anyone have any info on the steel case 5.56 ammo. does is cycle well,gum up your gun. id love to get my hands on some of that $200 stuff

Outta Control
02-25-2011, 9:29 AM
Not gonna hate on youre pick. I'd go with any AR and anything in 9mm or 40cal. An AK might be tuffer and have a better round, but police and military use 223 and either 9/40 cal hand guns. Much better for looting ammo in an emergency.

That said, having guns for a shtf senario is kind of a waste of money. If it his the fan, any gun in your hand gives you a leg up on the bulk of people. I think its better to spend your money on guns you'll shoot regulaly.

Thanks dave8ks. I only say that because currently I am just admiring a piston driven AR as it doesn't get as dirty and so far very reliable. As for the 9mm I think this is a minimum and should be easy to carry around.

Sgt. Slaughter
02-25-2011, 9:36 AM
for "SHtF"

Glock and AK. Ak and glock will always fire. For home defence Remington 870.

For fun at the range AR.

q3131a
02-25-2011, 11:33 AM
How about an AK and a Glock? Superb reliability!!!

gunafficionado
02-25-2011, 11:36 AM
How about an AK and a Glock? Superb reliability!!!

+1

A Glock and an AK would be my first choice. Utter reliability!!!

RaiderNation
02-25-2011, 11:42 AM
Get all 4 and have the best of both worlds.

Cali-Shooter
02-25-2011, 11:43 AM
I own a Glock and an AK.

But my favorite combo is 1911 and AK.

Both have knockdown power against their targets :30:

xbimmers
02-25-2011, 11:45 AM
Combo #1 for me.....love the AR-15 and the 1911.......

The only benefit to the AK for me...is the ability to shoot all the cheap steel cased ammo I can feed it!


I am going to purchase a rifle and handgun. The handgun will be used for home defense and SHTF scenarios, and the rifle will be used only for SHTF scenarios.

I have narrowed my choices down to two combinations:

1. AR15 and S&W 1911.

and

2. AK47 and Sig Sauer P229.

While choice #1 offers more accuracy/precision, choice #2 offers more reliability and less need for maintanence (although I realize the Sig will still require just as much maintanence as the 1911, I have decided that if I get an AK, I will get the Sig. At first I considered a AK47/Glock combo, but I have ruled out Glock at this point).

If you could only choose one of the above combos, and could not choose or substitute anything else, would you choose combo #1 or #2?

Thanks!

Anchors
02-25-2011, 11:49 AM
i guess that price quote was more specific to my region. here in Napa we cannot have ammo shipped to us, and $110+tax for a 200rd box of Federal Lake City XM193CBP 55gr FMJ Ammo is the norm, and it only goes up from there, where as ak ammo can be found for much cheaper. does anyone have any info on the steel case 5.56 ammo. does is cycle well,gum up your gun. id love to get my hands on some of that $200 stuff

I love .20 cents/round ammo.
You can usually find it at Wally World (for AK).
They make it in .223 as well, but usually it is online.

Some places will ship to Napa regardless.
The law is technically bogus anyway.

massraptor
02-25-2011, 11:50 AM
I have the ak and 1911 .45 for me and light build ar for the wife.
So she can cover my six. ( I hope she does not shoot me there)

SupportGeek
02-25-2011, 12:25 PM
This thread is going to be full of win, not only is it the old AR vs AK but it's the 9mm vs the .45acp also. We might as well just throw in Ford vs Chevy while we are at it.

PC vs. Apple?
DOS vs. Linux?
Apples vs. Oranges?

RRichie09
02-25-2011, 3:12 PM
The OP is banned already?

gunafficionado
02-26-2011, 11:58 AM
Get all 4 and have the best of both worlds.

Splendid idea !!

pyro3k2
02-26-2011, 2:29 PM
PC vs. Apple?
DOS vs. Linux?
Apples vs. Oranges?

woah now, lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. I was saving those so I could troll longer when the debate evens out :D

The OP is banned already?

Guess they are banning people for not using the search button? or maybe it was AR15 barrells trying to ninja log the forum.