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cg beretta
02-24-2011, 2:04 PM
Can anyone identify this AR15?

I wish to buy it or build it and i don't know where to start.

Thank you,
CG

luckystrike
02-24-2011, 2:09 PM
looks alot like an A4, minus the carry handle, this VVV with 360 rails
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=13_22&products_id=209

slick_711
02-24-2011, 2:13 PM
It's not a perfect rendering, but it's definitely no mystery. It looks like a standard M16A4 with the carry handle removed, some KAC accessories, and an M68.

What you need is a 20" A4 Upper with the quad rail of your choice, an A2 stock, an Aimpoint Comp M2 or M3, a Wilcox aimpoint mount, and some KAC accessories...

Or easier yet, just buy the rifle luckystrike linked too and drop in the rail and accessories.

killshot44
02-24-2011, 3:14 PM
Nah, there's something different going on with that Upper receiver. Strange raised top with nubs on the side, no "rail" cutouts on top, can't see a front take-down pin, there's a second hole above the selector, and something odd about the grip.

I think it's a computer rendering and not real.

And welcome to Calguns....

swifty
02-24-2011, 3:18 PM
Ditto the computer rendering, too many things missing or wrong.

slick_711
02-24-2011, 3:26 PM
Nah, there's something different going on with that Upper receiver. Strange raised top with nubs on the side, no "rail" cutouts on top, can't see a front take-down pin, there's a second hole above the selector, and something odd about the grip.

I think it's a computer rendering and not real.

And welcome to Calguns....

Well that was blatantly obvious -- still, the OP asked what it was, and it's clear what it's supposed to be. ;)

eville
02-24-2011, 3:27 PM
computer rendering. there is no way a mag could go into that magwell.

cg beretta
02-24-2011, 3:30 PM
Does anyone have the time to help me track down the exact parts to create this gun in the rendering?

I have looked at some of the items listed in the posts, but I'm not finding that many matches to this rendering... I don't know where real life items start and creative designs end...

I would like to get as close to this as possible...

Thanks for your help!!!

slick_711
02-24-2011, 5:17 PM
Does anyone have the time to help me track down the exact parts to create this gun in the rendering?

I have looked at some of the items listed in the posts, but I'm not finding that many matches to this rendering... I don't know where real life items start and creative designs end...

I would like to get as close to this as possible...

Thanks for your help!!!

I could run it down part by part tonight when I get home from work, but really the closest you'll get is an "M16A4" (A4 Style AR15) with KAC accessories and an Aimpoint.

What you need is a 20" A4 style upper. A lower with an A2 stock. A 12" quad rail (Knights Armament M5 RAS is probably the most legitimate for a .mil clone). That is definitely a KAC forward pistol grip, KAC rail protectors, an Aimpoint.

The Aimpoint could be a Comp ML2 or ML3, or an M2 / M3, they all look the same. The Aimpoint mount looks generic and could be any of a few different mounts. I recommended the Wilcox because in the past it has been one of the .mil issued mounts for the M68 CCO (Aimpoint Comp M2).

The sling is a run of the mil GI issue web sling. It's really a pretty simple build if you can scrape the cash for the KAC rail and accessories.

AR15.com has picture threads for specific military clone "builds," go over there and look for an M16A4 clone thread, it'll be full of pictures of real rifles that are variations of your computer rendering. Anything that you feel looks different and doesn't match is because it's not a good rendering...

Merc1138
02-24-2011, 5:28 PM
I have looked at some of the items listed in the posts, but I'm not finding that many matches to this rendering... I don't know where real life items start and creative designs end...


The rail on top of that upper receiver doesn't exist(has no slots for bolts to cross through it). The trigger guard area that cuts into the mag well doesn't exist(it'd get in the way of the magazine, unless someone made a lower with an extra wide mag well to do that, which would be pointless). The takedown pins are missing(kind of important) and that extra hole above the safety looks like it would be for some sort of auto-sear/burst cam(which you wouldn't be getting). The forward assist isn't big enough around. The magazine release is strangely large, and the grip is oddly thin.

Basically, you're not going to be able to build that. What people have already said for parts, is as close as you're going to be able to get. Using CG renderings of guns as an example isn't necessarily the best idea because a lot of people have a habit of taking artistic liberties with the design. We aren't trying to say that you wanting something that looks like that is somehow un-cool, it's just not possible.

Find a real photo of a rifle that suits your fancy, and get your build ideas from that instead.

evidens83
02-24-2011, 5:31 PM
Looks like an A4

dieselpower
02-24-2011, 6:17 PM
Its a RRA EOP prototype....... ???

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=227

slick_711
02-24-2011, 6:19 PM
AR15.com M16A4 Picture Thread (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=337931)

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc211/pikedl43/000_0040.jpg

There you go... that's as close as you're going to get, and that's a real honest to God AR15, not a CGI rendering done by someone who had never seen an AR up close.

Don29palms
02-24-2011, 6:22 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=87284&d=1298588635
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc211/pikedl43/000_0040.jpg

nagorb
02-24-2011, 6:26 PM
Am I the only one who smells troll? If not then my apology.

slick_711
02-24-2011, 6:36 PM
Am I the only one who smells troll? If not then my apology.

Entirely possible, it seemed to me it was just someone with lots of internet or video game experience that wanted a gun to emulate one they used in a game. I wouldn't use such a notion as the basis for purchasing an entire gun, but I can see the temptation. I know a guy that sprayed some KAC rail covers and a cheap stock with blue paint to replicate the blue tiger stripe camo in Call of Duty: MW2. :p

Either way, I've been bored at work, so answering his request hasn't wasted my time. :cool2:

ironman5669
02-24-2011, 7:08 PM
use the ar 15 builder on brownells dot com you can mix and match parts till you get it looking the way you want.

Kodemonkey
02-24-2011, 7:18 PM
That forward grip placement would be awfully awkward...

Merc1138
02-24-2011, 7:23 PM
Entirely possible, it seemed to me it was just someone with lots of internet or video game experience that wanted a gun to emulate one they used in a game. I wouldn't use such a notion as the basis for purchasing an entire gun, but I can see the temptation. I know a guy that sprayed some KAC rail covers and a cheap stock with blue paint to replicate the blue tiger stripe camo in Call of Duty: MW2. :p

Either way, I've been bored at work, so answering his request hasn't wasted my time. :cool2:

You "know a guy" right...



:p

nagorb
02-24-2011, 7:44 PM
That forward grip placement would be awfully awkward...

I've seen many pics of guys in iraq with theirs placed far back, must be a reason.

Merc1138
02-24-2011, 7:50 PM
I've seen many pics of guys in iraq with theirs placed far back, must be a reason.

Could be a few things. Not wanting to use it and getting it out of the way(seen a few pics of detachable carry handles in odd places because of that, and not wanting to lose it), or maybe it's just where they want it for use as a consistent hand stop.

West9319
02-24-2011, 7:50 PM
use the ar 15 builder on brownells dot com you can mix and match parts till you get it looking the way you want.

Some of the parts don't really place right on AR builder and it does get glitchy. But that doesn't mean I'm not on there every other day coming up with possibilities for my build :p

What i mean by placing right is the flash hider will be too high off the barrel or the hand guards will be so far up on the barrel covering the front sights. minor things like that but still really cool.

slick_711
02-24-2011, 8:45 PM
You "know a guy" right...



:p

Well, you're half right. It was my idea but I decided against it because it was too nerdy. My buddy actually did it though and it looked decent. Then he changed his mind and re-painted the whole rifle FDE.

pacifico23
02-24-2011, 8:47 PM
No way is that real one of the take down pins is like right in the trigger group

slick_711
02-24-2011, 8:59 PM
No way is that real one of the take down pins is like right in the trigger group

Oh snap! I thought it was a real picture of a rifle. Now I feel like an idiot. ;)

Cokebottle
02-24-2011, 9:46 PM
Nah, there's something different going on with that Upper receiver. Strange raised top with nubs on the side, no "rail" cutouts on top, can't see a front take-down pin, there's a second hole above the selector, and something odd about the grip.

I think it's a computer rendering and not real.
Exactly.

Not a real gun. It's just a screen cap from a video game.

Look at the lower. The mag release is where the hammer pin should be, there's no trigger pin, and the auto-sear pin is too big and in the wrong place.

The upper has the casting for a forward assist, but has no forward assist,

Cokebottle
02-24-2011, 9:48 PM
Does anyone have the time to help me track down the exact parts to create this gun in the rendering?

I have looked at some of the items listed in the posts, but I'm not finding that many matches to this rendering... I don't know where real life items start and creative designs end...

I would like to get as close to this as possible...

Thanks for your help!!!
You aren't going to get any closer to the rendering than a standard M16A2 with a flat-top (A4) upper and an Aimpoint.

dieselpower
02-25-2011, 8:48 AM
Does anyone have the time to help me track down the exact parts to create this gun in the rendering?

I have looked at some of the items listed in the posts, but I'm not finding that many matches to this rendering... I don't know where real life items start and creative designs end...

I would like to get as close to this as possible...

Thanks for your help!!!

I was under the impression you were asking about the funky upper. I figured we all knew this was a poorly drawn AR15..LOL Seem too many people here are way too literal in what advise they give and have no imagination or foresight

1) The OP may or may not have known the drawing was inaccurate.

2) The Op may know the drawing is inaccurate, and just wants a list of parts for a AR15A4 with M68.

3) The OP may think the drawing is accurate and was wondering about the funky looking upper...in which case the OP needs to learn more about AR15s...lol

Ok.
1 & 3.... You now know the drawing is a complete goof.

The real life pic is the closest thing to the drawing.

Parts list.
1) A2 Stock.

2) Flat top upper with 20" government profile barrel and KAC M5 rails and KAC broom handle VFG (A4 upper)

3) Aimppoint with KAC mount. Aimpoint CompM2 or M3 with KAC mount. Called a M68 by the military. Mount is a Low Profile type.

4) The lower would be any standard AR15.

Heres some sales links...
from BCM.com
KAC M5 Rail system (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/KAC-M5-RAS-p/kac%20m5%20ras%20rifle.htm)
A4 upper (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M16-Government-20-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-gov-20.htm)
Aimpoint CompML3 (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Aimpoint-Comp-ML3-p/aimpoint%20comp%20ml3.htm)
Low Profile M68 mount, (not a wilcox, but close) (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Aimpoint-Comp-ML3-p/aimpoint%20comp%20ml3.htm)

From Armalite
A4 upper (http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=U15A4BA2&Category=bce7fa68-373e-4afc-b00e-63fe2c75d131)
Full sized rails, not KAC but solid (http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=10705110KIT&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=b9e694e7-7fbb-4a69-9f5a-b9c56f616345)
I'd just go with this and add a 18" mid gas barrel (http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=15003062&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=b50b2b4a-ef64-4d79-b173-50c7880935e0)

From Riflegear
Not KAC but solid (http://www.riflegear.com/p-40-midwest-industries-two-piece-forearm-full-length-mctar-19.aspx)
A4 upper (http://www.riflegear.com/p-49-stag-arms-model-4h-complete-upper.aspx)
Aimpoint CompML2 (http://www.riflegear.com/p-20-aimpoint-comp-m2-4moa-night-vision-compatible.aspx)
M68 mount, not a wilcox but good (http://www.riflegear.com/p-435-arms-22m68-aimpoint-comp-throw-lever-ring.aspx)
Complete AR15A4, just add the rails and optic (http://www.riflegear.com/p-844-stag-arms-model-4-rifle.aspx)
cream of the crop, top of the line A4...you can't get better then this...just add optic (http://www.riflegear.com/p-962-larue-tactical-obr-556-20.aspx)



yes I was booooord so I sat here for 30 minutes and linked this out for the newbie