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WiKDMoNKY
02-23-2011, 4:45 PM
If I understand correctly, in order to use an AK top and bottom hand guards made by K-VAR, I have to change to an AK gas tube. Is there anything else I need to know before I start buying the conversion parts?

Thanks in advance!!!

djleisure
02-23-2011, 4:54 PM
I'm pretty sure you will need the Bolt-on Lower Handguard Retainer as well. Dinzag Arms has them, as well as other conversion parts here: http://dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/saiga_762x39.html

Shady
02-23-2011, 5:52 PM
I'm pretty sure you will need the Bolt-on Lower Handguard Retainer as well. Dinzag Arms has them, as well as other conversion parts here: http://dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/saiga_762x39.html

yes

RealBarber
02-24-2011, 10:00 AM
K-Var also has Russian and Bulgarian retainers for only $20

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17639&cat=0&page=4

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16617&cat=0&page=3

Shady
02-24-2011, 10:01 AM
K-Var also has Russian and Bulgarian retainers for only $20

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17639&cat=0&page=4

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16617&cat=0&page=3

that is not what he is looking for
be needs a bolt on retainer

RealBarber
02-24-2011, 11:55 AM
that is not what he is looking for
be needs a bolt on retainer

...........yes it is

djleisure
02-24-2011, 12:00 PM
...........yes it is
That would work if he wants to remove the FSB. If not, the bolt-on at Dinzag is the way to go. Either way...

RealBarber
02-24-2011, 12:03 PM
That would work if he wants to remove the FSB. If not, the bolt-on at Dinzag is the way to go. Either way...

exactly

a genuine russian part for $20 vs. an $90 screw on custom piece

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17636&cat=0&page=1

and theres the Russian gas tube

you can get both for the same price as Dinzag's bolt on retainer, plus you dont have to wait 3 weeks for the order to get processed

djleisure
02-24-2011, 12:05 PM
exactly

a genuine russian part for $20 vs. an $90 screw on custom piece

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17636&cat=0&page=1

and theres the Russian gas tube

you can get both for the same price as Dinzag's bolt on retainer, plus you dont have to wait 3 weeks for the order to get processed
Some people don't have the tools, know-how or desire to remove their FSB, so paying a $70 premium isn't such a bad deal. I don't care either way who buys what, it's just nice to have options.

RealBarber
02-24-2011, 12:10 PM
Some people don't have the tools, know-how or desire to remove their FSB, so paying a $70 premium isn't such a bad deal. I don't care either way who buys what, it's just nice to have options.

i just thought id throw it out there since he mentioned K-Var

Dinzag's piece is 4X the price and he takes forever to process orders

djleisure
02-24-2011, 12:19 PM
i just thought id throw it out there since he mentioned K-Var

Dinzag's piece is 4X the price and he takes forever to process orders
And it was a fine suggestion, but you may want to explain your posts a little further - like the fact that the ones you recommended take a LOT more work and proper tools - it's not $20 for the exact same thing. Also, your reply with "yes it is" didn't help anything either, that's not helpful information.

But like I said, it's good to have options!

bigthaiboy
02-24-2011, 2:11 PM
That would work if he wants to remove the FSB. If not, the bolt-on at Dinzag is the way to go. Either way...

FSB and gas block.

And for the Saigas which have the FSB block and GB spot welded to the barrel, this would require the welds to be carefully drilled out before being pressed off with a shop press. To re-install the components, they have to be pressed back on and 4 spot welds put back on for each of the GB and FSB. I've just done this with my Saiga, and although it's not terribly difficult, it requires more expensive tools than most people have access to.

djleisure
02-24-2011, 2:13 PM
FSB and gas block.

And for the Saigas which have the FSB block and GB spot welded to the barrel, this would require the welds to be carefully drilled out before being pressed off with a shop press. To re-install the components, they have to be pressed back on and 4 spot welds put back on for each of the GB and FSB. I've just done this with my Saiga, and although it's not terribly difficult, it requires more expensive tools than most people have access to.
Cripes! That's even more involved than I thought it would be. Thanks for the lowdown!

Res
02-24-2011, 2:20 PM
Also, Carolina Shooters Supply (http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-460/Saiga-Lower-Hand-guard/Detail) has pretty much the same retainer as Dinzag for $50. Dinzag is great though.

http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/catalog/DSC02974.JPG

djleisure
02-24-2011, 2:33 PM
Also, Carolina Shooters Supply (http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-460/Saiga-Lower-Hand-guard/Detail) has pretty much the same retainer as Dinzag for $50. Dinzag is great though.

Oh, nice find! I actually really like Carolina Shooters Supply - they ship things crazy fast and have great prices.

WiKDMoNKY
02-24-2011, 6:43 PM
So just so I have this straight, in order to install this furniture kit http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16982&cat=0&page=1, I need a Gas Tube (http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-405/AK47-Saiga-gas-tube/Detail) and a lower handguard bracket (http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-460/Saiga-Lower-Hand-guard/Detail).

Thanks in advance!

Res
02-24-2011, 7:20 PM
So just so I have this straight, in order to install this furniture kit http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16982&cat=0&page=1, I need a Gas Tube (http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-405/AK47-Saiga-gas-tube/Detail) and a lower handguard bracket (http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-460/Saiga-Lower-Hand-guard/Detail).

Thanks in advance!

Yes. To install the lower and upper handguards, you need the gas tube and retainer.

WiKDMoNKY
02-24-2011, 11:06 PM
Does this stock/grip/trigger kit http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-681/Saiga-Rifle-Conversion-20/Detail?sfs=7bd19da4 require any hole drilling to install? I know I have to drill out rivets to remove the old trigger assembly.

Thanks in advance!

ae13291
02-24-2011, 11:13 PM
or do what I and many other people did, get a original LHGR and cut the top part and insert a bolt through the existing holes and slip it over your barrel, it will look original

Redchevyman
02-24-2011, 11:21 PM
For $45 you can use this TAPCO Saiga hand guard with no mods to your gun. They are in stock on my web site rcmgunparts.com
I also have all the other parts you would need for your Saiga.

http://rcmgunparts.com/product_images/intra_saiga_hg-sm.jpg

Shady
02-24-2011, 11:40 PM
For $45 you can use this TAPCO Saiga hand guard with no mods to your gun. They are in stock on my web site rcmgunparts.com
I also have all the other parts you would need for your Saiga.

http://rcmgunparts.com/product_images/intra_saiga_hg-sm.jpg

yuck:confused:

WiKDMoNKY
02-24-2011, 11:43 PM
I am looking to put the intrafuse hand guards on it a little later. I just want to get the trigger moved and a pistol grip and bullet button installed next week when I get the rifle. I am fine drilling out some rivets and a pin, I just dont want to have to drill any permanent holes in the receiver.


For $45 you can use this TAPCO Saiga hand guard with no mods to your gun. They are in stock on my web site rcmgunparts.com
I also have all the other parts you would need for your Saiga.

http://rcmgunparts.com/product_images/intra_saiga_hg-sm.jpg


I am not really big on this style hand guard, I prefer one with a top with a rail of some sort.


yuck:confused:

Res
02-25-2011, 8:30 AM
Here is my favorite "conversion" video (http://vimeo.com/2787027)

WiKDMoNKY
02-25-2011, 12:35 PM
Best video I have seen yet!

Thanks for this gem!!!


Here is my favorite "conversion" video (http://vimeo.com/2787027)