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L4D
02-23-2011, 10:54 AM
Interested in purchasing some steel targets and maybe a dueling tree. Whats a safe distance for shooting at steel with .223 and .308?

Is there a worry for ricochet at any distance?

beauregard
02-23-2011, 10:55 AM
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safewaysecurity
02-23-2011, 10:57 AM
It depends how you set up the steel. If you set them up on a swivel system you can shoot them safely from what I've seen as close as 7 yards.

mif_slim
02-23-2011, 11:00 AM
Pistols I've seen very close..but for rifles.....I think the further the better but have seen very close setups. My first IPSC match I got hit in the head with a 9mm projectile...lucky it went up and then down from two stages over! still hurts like hell though. haha

Dhena81
02-23-2011, 11:00 AM
100 yards

siliconphreak
02-23-2011, 11:53 AM
100yds and angle the steel down. So ricochets should hit the dirt instead of coming back your direction. Also if it's cheap 1/4 mild steel, it will zip right thru at 100yds.

Nathan Krynn
02-23-2011, 11:59 AM
I have personally dug out shrapnel out of my brother, father, wife, and my self from shooting steel too close with rifles. These were from different competitions too, except my brother, we were dumb kids.

Frankly like the other guy said I will no longer do it under 100 yards.

peter95
02-23-2011, 12:16 PM
I would say 100+
even at 100 yards seems a bit close, so safely 150 yards+

whiteboy67
02-23-2011, 1:13 PM
What about shooting steel core 5.56 ammo at a swinger target? 100 yards still fine, right?

killshot44
02-23-2011, 3:07 PM
What about shooting steel core 5.56 ammo at a swinger target? 100 yards still fine, right?

Steel core is great for making holes in your targets. :43:

YANCHI
02-23-2011, 3:22 PM
I have a 17" steel gong 500 armor. 7.62x39 and 223 steel core don't even dent it at 100 yards. But I can't say the same for the poor stand holding it up. It almost pentrated all the way through! :59:

JohnFLand
02-23-2011, 3:23 PM
Even 150 yds may not be enough; here's a much longer distance (looks to be well over 440 yards) -- watch with the sound on, so you can hear the returning bullet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

L4D
02-23-2011, 3:29 PM
Even 150 yds may not be enough; here's a much longer distance (looks to be well over 440 yards) -- watch with the sound on, so you can hear the returning bullet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

This would be the video I had in mind when creating this post. Scary ****.

I think that if I can't get my targets out past 150 yards It will be the swinger targets for sure. even shooting 22's at 50 yards we were hearing the zzzzzzzzzzzz every couple or so rounds.

West coast
02-23-2011, 3:36 PM
100 yards....To start

MFortie
02-23-2011, 4:18 PM
Just recently I saw someone shoot a steel target with a 7.62 from about 30'. We had to remove the slug jacket from his brothers throat that was sitting behind him in a lawn chair. Fortunately, it was only the jacket and it just lodged under the skin. EVERYONE dodged a bullet that day! No pun intended...

solidstate
02-23-2011, 5:26 PM
Even 150 yds may not be enough; here's a much longer distance (looks to be well over 440 yards) -- watch with the sound on, so you can hear the returning bullet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc


Wow...thanks for that link. After watching that i will never shoot at stationary steel target again.

ulv
02-23-2011, 7:18 PM
That and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPZyBLv0ijc&feature=related

are two of the ricochet videos that just reinforce any kind of safety precaution

223forfun
02-23-2011, 7:31 PM
well I would not not ask these guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

dangerous but funny

Vtec44
02-23-2011, 7:42 PM
Yep, at least 100 yards.

CK_32
02-23-2011, 8:31 PM
2 miles.

Wicked K5
02-23-2011, 8:46 PM
Even 150 yds may not be enough; here's a much longer distance (looks to be well over 440 yards) -- watch with the sound on, so you can hear the returning bullet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

That was nuts! Damn bullet was like a pinball. Bounced off the target, the ground, then the dudes earmuff. Lucky bastard should play the lottery.

Gregchico
02-23-2011, 8:48 PM
I got some of this .223 frangible coming to try at a closer range. I think I'm going to start at 25yds and move it up if it looks/feels safe...

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/m/winchester/p/223-winchester-55gr-fmj-frangible-20rd-box/manufacturers_id/50/products_id/3310?SID

AlliedArmory
02-23-2011, 10:09 PM
I have my handgun tree setup between 15-25 yrds and has never been an issue. If it is a small swinging target I would say 15-25 for handguns and 100 yrds for rifles. If it is a stationary steel plate, make sure it is angled down and at least 100 yrds away.

resident-shooter
02-23-2011, 10:22 PM
Like others said, its not only the distance but also depends on whether the target is swinging (good if it does) and whether it deflects the bullets down towards the ground...

erik_26
02-23-2011, 11:09 PM
Why do you want to shoot at metal?

Safety first. Its not worth the risk.

Plywood is easy to setup. Cheap. And the round has no problems going right through it. Or you can use thin roof flashing (or thin sheet metal, no thicker then an aluminum can) and the round will penetrate without issues. Make sure that you are shooting up again a hill to catch the lead.

You can easily make a PVC pipe stand, cut out whatever shape you want in the ply wood. Drill a hole. Hang it from the stand.

Problem solved.


Clean up isn't too bad. Bring a rake and a shovel.

FeuerFrei
02-24-2011, 12:57 PM
10 yards handgun 100 yards rifle.
Be safe.
Best to angle the target towards soft ground to control splatter/spall.
My experience.

L4D
02-24-2011, 1:07 PM
Why do you want to shoot at metal?

Safety first. Its not worth the risk.

Plywood is easy to setup. Cheap. And the round has no problems going right through it. Or you can use thin roof flashing (or thin sheet metal, no thicker then an aluminum can) and the round will penetrate without issues. Make sure that you are shooting up again a hill to catch the lead.

You can easily make a PVC pipe stand, cut out whatever shape you want in the ply wood. Drill a hole. Hang it from the stand.

Problem solved.


Clean up isn't too bad. Bring a rake and a shovel.

Well at 100+ yards can you hear a ding when you hit plywood?

Id rather not shoot, look through spotting scope, shoot, look through spotting scope, shoot........only to find out that there are too many holes to try and figure out which one is new and which isn't............ see what I mean?

Ive made the PVC box-o-truth it lasted about an hour due to my friends piss poor aim.

ZX-10R
02-24-2011, 2:10 PM
I like the angled 100yrd approach to the steel.

SarahKC1987
02-24-2011, 3:48 PM
SCARY!! The sound effects are cool though.... zinnng!