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jkl33
02-23-2011, 9:50 AM
Are there any problems? do i need a stronger hammer spring? I just bought my upper today and should be getting it soon. I want to shoot cheap ammo through it.

Archie B.
02-23-2011, 10:06 AM
I would recommend the Wolff xtra power hammer spring for foreign/military ammo. I have one in my lower for both 5.56 & 7.62x39 mm. uppers and have had no issues.

mydogsmonkey
02-23-2011, 10:10 AM
i always get good parts kits, RRA at the minimum but DD now, so its usually fine with wolf, i've never had a problem with the stuff firing, ejecting or otherwise

jkl33
02-23-2011, 10:34 AM
oh ok i have a rra nm parts kit in my lower will that be good enough?

siliconphreak
02-23-2011, 10:44 AM
It's decent cheap ammo, it's a bit dirty but not a big deal. My LMT upper runs no problem with it. Just don't switch between shooting brass and steel casings. Has been known to case stuck cases. Cheap plinking ammo when I don't have the money to pay for brass.

djleisure
02-23-2011, 10:51 AM
You should not need to modify your rifle in any way in order to shoot Wolf ammo. Just be sure and give it a good cleaning afterwards...

jkl33
02-23-2011, 11:03 AM
great sounds good ill get a few beers and bust out the cleaning kit. thanks guys

djleisure
02-23-2011, 11:07 AM
great sounds good ill get a few beers and bust out the cleaning kit. thanks guys
That's my preferred, post-Wolf-shooting cleaning method!

n6vmo
02-23-2011, 11:44 AM
If your AR won't eat Wolf, put a skirt on it 'cuz its broke....

Sam .223
02-23-2011, 12:33 PM
i shoot wolf through both my ARs and have no issues whats so ever, no etxtra power springs or anything like that. like mentioned above be sure to clean it after you're done.

Sinister_1
02-23-2011, 1:38 PM
Make sure to check your ammo before shooting it. I bought some wolf and had to send it back it was so bad.

mif_slim
02-23-2011, 1:46 PM
Wolf may short stroke. If thats the case, you just need to brake in your buffer spring or get a carbine buffer spring, if its already a carbine buffer spring then get a lighter one or cut a few coils off. I done it but it was for some light custom loads I made. Not recommended if your not up to the task though.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
02-23-2011, 2:04 PM
I won't run Wolf ammo in an AR after having a case head separate and destroy an SP1 upper. YMMV.

xxINKxx
02-23-2011, 2:34 PM
Shot a few thousand rounds of wolf in my AR. Never had an issue (i think 1 got 1 dud out of the entire case). Its dirtier then most ammo. But if you wanna save money and dont care what brand you shoot, wolf is the way to go. Fine for plinking in the desert. Alot of ranges dont let you shoot it.

I stopped buying it because ammo prices are dropping and you can get a thousand rounds of top brand brass cased ammo for under 300$ and I recycle brass so I can make money back in the long run. And my full auto M-16 in arizona doesnt like wolf since its usually underpowered, and causes feeding issues.

MudCamper
02-23-2011, 2:42 PM
Just don't switch between shooting brass and steel casings. Has been known to case stuck cases.

To clarify this point, don't fire brass cased ammo after shooting steel cased ammo until you've cleaned your chamber. For an explanation as to why this is, see the Box O' Truth article on the subject (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm).

And in my experience, if you shoot enough Wolf ammo and just Wolf ammo without cleaning, eventually the steel cases start to get stuck also. Be sure and bring your cleaning rod with you so you can ram them out.

nagorb
02-23-2011, 2:45 PM
Never had a problem, haven't cleaned the AR in about 1000 rounds of wolf with some brass mixed in.

MudCamper
02-23-2011, 2:51 PM
Never had a problem, haven't cleaned the AR in about 1000 rounds of wolf with some brass mixed in.

Your mileage may vary. I'm sure it has everything to do with the chamber size and who manufactured it. My Stag upper can't go 500 rounds without a case getting stuck. My Bushmaster uppers can go a lot longer but eventually one will get stuck. The fact of the matter is, you get more carbon buildup in the chamber firing steel-cased ammo than you do firing brass-cased ammo. Not a problem for me. I clean my rifles, and only shoot wolf for fun.

jkl33
02-23-2011, 3:46 PM
sounds good to me cant wait to piece together my ar when my lower gets out of jail

stix213
02-23-2011, 4:01 PM
Brown/Silver Bear ammo is somewhat cleaner than Wolf, and generally the same price, just FYI. .223 Brown/Silver Bear ammo is the only ammo I have ever shot out of my AR chambered in 5.56 without any failures so far.

FeuerFrei
02-23-2011, 7:08 PM
I am finding that an AR w/556 NATO spec chamber and is not over gassed will shoot newer poly coated wolf ammo all day long. (DI AR)
Over gassed AR w/out of spec chamber will tear off case rims and stick inside chamber.
Sometimes just being over gassed will do the sticky case syndrome too.
My personal experience anyway.
Just try some and see what happens.

nagorb
02-23-2011, 7:22 PM
Your mileage may vary. I'm sure it has everything to do with the chamber size and who manufactured it. My Stag upper can't go 500 rounds without a case getting stuck. My Bushmaster uppers can go a lot longer but eventually one will get stuck. The fact of the matter is, you get more carbon buildup in the chamber firing steel-cased ammo than you do firing brass-cased ammo. Not a problem for me. I clean my rifles, and only shoot wolf for fun.

Very much so, I've just been trying to see how long I can go without cleaning it till I start to get malfunctions, so far none. BTW its a BCM on a double star lower.

HUND
02-23-2011, 7:44 PM
I shoot Tula / Wolf. In my Delton upper. Never had a issue

nagorb
02-23-2011, 7:49 PM
I shoot Tula / Wolf. In my Delton upper. Never had a issue

Funny thing about Deltons is I never hear of them having problems with wolf, unlike other more expensive products, so much for them being crappy uppers :rolleyes:

javalos
02-23-2011, 8:18 PM
Funny thing about Deltons is I never hear of them having problems with wolf, unlike other more expensive products, so much for them being crappy uppers :rolleyes:

All of DelTon uppers I received came with a warning that shooting lacquer coated ammo would void the warranty. While most can shoot non-brass ammo, unlike AK's, they were never intended to do that.

morfeeis
02-23-2011, 10:25 PM
That's my preferred, post-Wolf-shooting cleaning method!
call me a baby, but i wont touch any of my firearms no matter how little i've had to drink. just reading that after i wrote it it sounds strange but i just wont go near em...

yellowfin
02-24-2011, 3:59 PM
^ Another difference between guns and women?

missiontrails
02-24-2011, 4:34 PM
Federal XM193F Ball ammo = $5.99/brown box 20. How much cheaper is Wolf?

nagorb
02-24-2011, 4:40 PM
Federal XM193F Ball ammo = $5.99/brown box 20. How much cheaper is Wolf?

about half

missiontrails
02-24-2011, 4:59 PM
about half

Wow.....point made.

nagorb
02-24-2011, 5:04 PM
Wow.....point made.

I would never recommend it for any serious shooting but for heading out to BLM to shoot cans you can't go wrong, unless it jams your gun, otherwise it wont hurt it.

nagorb
02-24-2011, 5:07 PM
Here's a good reference
http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.223

Jasonaspears
02-24-2011, 5:12 PM
Federal XM193F Ball ammo = $5.99/brown box 20. How much cheaper is Wolf?

Where are you finding this for that cheap??

missiontrails
02-24-2011, 5:33 PM
Where are you finding this for that cheap??

Palmetto State Armory... I have 500 rounds of XM193F and 500 XM853 green tip on the way.......

nagorb
02-24-2011, 5:37 PM
Where are you finding this for that cheap??

Check post 31

bohoki
02-24-2011, 6:30 PM
ive seen people have trouble with it in 16" or less barrels my 20 inchers seem to be ok

Don29palms
02-24-2011, 6:35 PM
I picked up 1000rds of Wolf at the gun show for $187.