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vanderjack
02-21-2011, 7:07 AM
As some of you know I sell AR Aero Precision Pistols to a lot of you in California and they have the BB & zero rd sleds.
What if anything can be done to sell an AR rifle here?
I have several requests from people here.

Capt. Speirs
02-21-2011, 7:16 AM
As some of you know I sell AR Aero Precision Pistols to a lot of you in California and they have the BB & zero rd sleds.
What if anything can be done to sell an AR rifle here?
I have several requests from people here.

Try this (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf), this (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/aw.pdf) and this (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=34397).

Wicked K5
02-21-2011, 7:26 AM
I'd love to see commercially available ARs using Aero receivers as a great "quality for the price" alternative to Delton, DSA, Plum Crazy, etc. On a side note, I think a CQB build using a COP upper is definately on my bucket list;)

Omega13device
02-21-2011, 8:37 AM
Anything on the Kasler list is prohibited: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf

Stripped lowers do not require a bullet button to be installed at the time of shipment.

Complete lowers do not require a bullet button at the time of shipment if they're not attached to an upper. But a lot of FFLs prefer a bullet button anyway so I'd put that in the "might as well" category. Not sure if you want to get into the whole issue of featureless rifles (do not require a bullet button)...let us know.

Uppers are unregulated other than the fact that SBRs are prohibited.

Complete (assembled) magazines of greater than 10 rounds cannot be shipped to CA. Disassembled magazines of greater than 10 rounds are ok because they can be used as replacement parts or modified to hold 10 rounds or less.

dieselpower
02-21-2011, 8:45 AM
Smith & Wesson just started selling their M&P15s, .223 and 5.56 from the factory with Bullet Buttons.

Contact CalGuns member Prince50. He is the owner of the bullet button. S&W contacted him a few months ago and set up manufacturing. S&W now has BB equipped AR15s in their catalog.

Just install whatever CA compliance device you are comfortable with and ship into the State. Contact Exile Machine, Monsterman Grip, Solar Tactical...and all the others.

CGN loves your gear. Offer us all the options direct from you and I guarantee you will see your company offered daily in the "what AR15 should I buy" threads that pop up here.

You can't pay for that type of advertising...

vanderjack
02-21-2011, 8:48 AM
Anything on the Kasler list is prohibited: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf

Stripped lowers do not require a bullet button to be installed at the time of shipment.

Complete lowers do not require a bullet button at the time of shipment if they're not attached to an upper. But a lot of FFLs prefer a bullet button anyway so I'd put that in the "might as well" category. Not sure if you want to get into the whole issue of featureless rifles (do not require a bullet button)...let us know.

Uppers are unregulated other than the fact that SBRs are prohibited.

Complete (assembled) magazines of greater than 10 rounds cannot be shipped to CA. Disassembled magazines of greater than 10 rounds are ok because they can be used as replacement parts or modified to hold 10 rounds or less.

I guess what I am asking is :
Can I build (as an 07 FFL) a standard AR with a ten rd mag and bullet button installed and ship it to a dealer for sale in cali?
In other words , with the bullet button installed what features can it have?
Flash hider?

dieselpower
02-21-2011, 8:50 AM
I guess what I am asking is :
Can I build (as an 07 FFL) a standard AR with a ten rd mag and bullet button installed and ship it to a dealer for sale in cali?
In other words , with the bullet button installed what features can it have?
Flash hider?

Yes, you are now doing what Smith & Wesson did a month ago. Come here and ask how to sell AR15s directly to Californians.

We told them to contact Prince50. They did and now S&W M&P15s come direct from the S&W factory to us.

I want to thank you for supporting us.

I will update this post on the law in a minute.

Your lowers are not listed, so your firearms need to comply with features law.

Your rifles can not meet these requirements, or they are AWs and can not be sold to the general public.

PC12276.1
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

This means the magazine must be locked inside the firearm if you WANT the features listed. What you are doing is removing one of the PRIMARY requirements, which is "Detachable magazine". Once you don't have that REQUIREMENT...you can have all the other features listed. To remove the magazine it must require a tool to NOT be a detachable magazine. The common way to do this is with a Bullet Button sold by member Prince50. There are other ways to lock the magazine in. In PC12276.1 (2) [shown below] the law also states that fixed magazine must be 10rds or less in capacity.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
As I said. A magazine that requires a tool to remove is a FIXED magazine. Therefore the AR15 is limited to 10rds or less with a BB installed ONLY...it can have all the features listed in (1). PC12276.1(1) is ONLY for detachable magazine firearms


(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
Most if not all 16" AR15s are 30". You would need a short stock to get under 30"..its possible on custom guns so check if doing something out of the normal.


Now under 12276.1 (1) it list a bunch of features (A - F) you CANT have if you have a defined detachable magazine. So people just make sure their AR15 doesn't have those features...they use no muzzle device, or brakes, they don't mount VFGs or flare launchers, they have fixed stocks and make sure they can not wrap their thumb AROUND the grip. Now they can have a detachable magazine rifle.

Here is the law directly from the CA AG office website.
read 12276.1...your lowers are not listed (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php)

Here is the regulations on Detachable magazines and pistol grips directly from the CA AG office website
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter39.pdf

If you want to make sure, here is the Official list of banned by name AWs, directly from the AG Office website
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf

I hope this helps.