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Prise
02-20-2011, 10:09 AM
I'm looking to buy a bolt action rifle to be used for deer hunting. I have no experience with bolt action rifles, and have only rudimentary knowledge of them; aside from reading the various reviews on the Winchester 70, Kimber 84, Remington 700s, etc...

Any advice on where to start my search? Or, which models to look try out the feel of at the sporting goods store?

Also, I'm a little confused on the different calibers. Is there a caliber that is more ideally suited for deer hunting?

Thanks!

ElvenSoul
02-20-2011, 10:45 AM
If I was to buy a new hunting rifle, well I would get a Browning BLR in 270, 308, or 300wsm. They are nice handling rifles with the ability of a quick follow up shot.

Annonymous
02-20-2011, 11:12 AM
Tikka T3 in .270 or .30-06

daveinwoodland
02-20-2011, 11:21 AM
I had been in the same situation and had done some checking and asked many questions, and one answer I wasn't expecting but was very valid was looking into a C&R bolt action rifle such as a Mauser or even a Nagant 91/30.

I was amazed how many people swore off their newer rifles for the sub 100, and sub 200 dollar surplus rifles. The accuracy is amazing, most of the ammo very affordable and one person mentioned the sneers he gets when he brings in the game and the guys with the latest and greatest don't.

The Swedish Mauser was the more popular due to the caliber being well known for it's amazing accuracy.

Just a thought.

Dodahdude
02-20-2011, 11:42 AM
Bubba Nagant. :33:

ElvenSoul
02-20-2011, 11:45 AM
R guns sales a Nagant Barreled Action with turn down bolt handle...slap on a polymer stock..add a scope for like $300 you could have a nice setup

Prise
02-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the many poignant suggestions. It helps to get some perspective on where to narrow my initial options to begin the process on finding the right one for me.

shafferds
02-20-2011, 12:26 PM
Problem with 7.62x54r rounds if depending on where he is hunting they don't make leadfree ammo for it.

ElvenSoul
02-20-2011, 12:29 PM
S&B makes Lead Free 7.62x54 and if your willing to do your own reloads...Barnes makes Lead Free Bullets.

Prise
02-20-2011, 12:46 PM
The C&R option seems intriguing. How long would it take to acquire the license?

FrankG
02-20-2011, 1:02 PM
You actually don't need a license to buy one. a c&r license in great to have if you buy alot of C&R stuff.

xbimmers
02-20-2011, 1:06 PM
check out the Marlin XL7. Has a lot of the features expensive rifles have for a very low price.

kimo308
02-20-2011, 2:25 PM
Browning X Bolt or Remington 700.

rareair
02-20-2011, 2:34 PM
As already suggested, the Remington 700 in .270 caliber. You'll be good for distance (up to 800yrds) with lots of energy for penetration

Uriah02
02-20-2011, 3:27 PM
Win 70 or Rem 700, there are reasons they are most frequently recommended. Shoot them out of the box, reasonable price, great realibility, what more could you want?

Erin
02-20-2011, 4:18 PM
As already suggested, the Remington 700 in .270 caliber. You'll be good for distance (up to 800yrds) with lots of energy for penetration

this.

just dont leave it in your dads safe for 10 plus years to find the scope destroyed... im NOT bitter!!

toby
02-20-2011, 4:42 PM
Of those on your list the Kimber is top end. For deer size game a 260,7-08,308 is hard to beat these are short action. For a long action 25-06,270, 30-06 get the nod.

ZX-10R
02-20-2011, 8:12 PM
M700 SPS is a half MOA rifle out of the box. I regularly shoot my buddy's and that gun is literally money...Lots of available aftermarket parts. Savage FCP is my only other consideration...FCP is pricier though.

5.56Geo
02-20-2011, 8:47 PM
I have a Howa 1500 in .270 I took out for the first time this year. Here is a picture of it. I like it a lot and I am looking for one in .223 for varmint hunting.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/turbogeo/DSC00692.jpg

WDE91
02-20-2011, 9:06 PM
I have been told Savage makes a good rifle in the caliber of your choosing

Timberwolf
02-20-2011, 9:11 PM
You can't beat either a Rem 700 BDL or Win M70 in 30-06. Look on Gunbroker and see if you can find a pre 64 M70 - there are quite a few to be had in 30-06 and are great rifles.

HUTCH 7.62
02-20-2011, 9:13 PM
Remington 700 or a Savage you can't go wrong.

NytWolf
02-20-2011, 9:36 PM
If you don't have any prior experience, I would recommend a 30-06 for the caliber. That being, the 30-06 is very flexible from the smallest of deer to even some elk. If you don't want a long action, then get the 308. If you can handle the higher prices, then go with a 300WSM.

So for caliber, I would recommend in this order:
1) 30-06
2) 308
3) 300WSM

I wouldn't recommend anything smaller than a 30 caliber for someone who isn't necessarily experienced with deer hunting. A little too close of a distance or a too much velocity and you will spend the rest of the day tracking down the game. The 30 caliber is more forgiving in that sense. Once you get more experience under your belt, then start playing with smaller calibers.

As far as rifles, I recommend in this order:
1) Browning A-bolt (even with the addition of the X-bolt, Browning still can't justify discontinuing the A-bolt because of demand),
2) Remington 700 (don't get suckered into a 710 or 770), make sure you stick to any of the 700 series,
3) Weatherby Vanguard (for its price, this is a great rifle).

HUTCH 7.62
02-21-2011, 8:47 AM
If you had to go 308. I would get a semi auto like an M1 or Fal better for defending yourself against Militant Pot growers who have become all to common in Ca. Bolt action I would go 270 instead of 308. IMO 270 is a cut above 308 because it trajectory is real flat.

freonr22
02-21-2011, 8:57 AM
Parker hale, sporter mauser, interarms mark x

Prise
02-21-2011, 7:45 PM
Some great suggestions that provide much needed clarity for me to begin the process of narrowing down a rifle and caliber.

I assume, it is next to impossible to try these rifles at various ranges. Any suggestions on where to find these rifles readily available in Norther CA?

Prise
02-21-2011, 7:49 PM
I would get a semi auto like an M1 or Falbetter for defending yourself against Militant Pot growers who have become all to common in Ca.

I assume this is a tongue-in-cheek warning, right?

HUTCH 7.62
02-21-2011, 8:12 PM
I assume this is a tongue-in-cheek warning, right?

Depending on where you're planning to go hunting (i.e anywhere in the emerald triangle) that advise could save your life.

misfitcorndog
02-21-2011, 8:21 PM
I have a browning A-Bolt in 300wsm with the BOSS system, after one trip to the range I have a 3 shot group about the size of a silver dollar at 200 yards.. I'm sold on browning products, they are a bit on the more expensive side but worth every penny, I have a nikon buckmaster with BDC and I can hit every steel target at 200-500 yards simply by lifting my scope to the next dot.

ElvenSoul
02-21-2011, 8:32 PM
Well Atlantic Firearms has to and throw a wildcard into the mix...was just informed that yes in the next 90days they will be getting Super VEPRS in .308 and 7.62x54. The Super VEPR is almost as a accurate as a M1A. Far more accurate than a FAL. Makes a PSL look like a WASR10 with a bent barrel.

smle-man
02-21-2011, 8:35 PM
I am very happy with this Winchester 70 featherweight in .30-06. It is light weight and very accurate. I bought it from a Calgunner for $500 with the scope. Keep watching the for-sale section, barely used hunting rifles come up for sale all the time.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/P1210036.jpg

HUTCH 7.62
02-21-2011, 9:51 PM
Well Atlantic Firearms has to and throw a wildcard into the mix...was just informed that yes in the next 90days they will be getting Super VEPRS in .308 and 7.62x54. The Super VEPR is almost as a accurate as a M1A. Far more accurate than a FAL. Makes a PSL look like a WASR10 with a bent barrel.
funny my opensight DSA FAL consistently out shoots my national match M1A, with that said I find it hard to belive a glorified AK chambered in 308 is better that any FAL and almost out shoots an M1A.:shrug: then again what do I know I'm just another *** hole on a keyboard

Paradiddle
02-21-2011, 10:24 PM
I would look at the Marlin XL7 in 30-06. They are VERY reasonable at sub $300 - you get a great rifle, that has gotten wonderful reviews, accurate with a great trigger and a synthtic stock I don't think I'd spend big money on a hunting rifle until I was sure it was somthing I wanted to do. They make a stainless version also now, but it's more money.

The Tikkas are a great value/accuracy rifle as well.

Jeff

HUTCH 7.62
02-21-2011, 10:29 PM
I would look at the Marlin XL7 in 30-06. They are VERY reasonable at sub $300 - you get a great rifle, that has gotten wonderful reviews, accurate with a great trigger and a synthtic stock I don't think I'd spend big money on a hunting rifle until I was sure it was somthing I wanted to do. They make a stainless version also now, but it's more money.

The Tikkas are a great value/accuracy rifle as well.

Jeff

No one has brought up rugers they are a nice rifle for the price also and are based off the mauser action. I been kinda wanting one in stainless with a laminate stock for a while.

slick_711
02-21-2011, 11:13 PM
For deer size game a 260,7-08,308 is hard to beat these are short action. For a long action 25-06,270, 30-06 get the nod.

Spot on caliber recommendation. I'm working with a lot of experienced hunters now, and from all the talking and looking at local rifle sales, the above caliber list covers all the popular deer calibers with the possible addition of .243. There's nothing in North America that a good hunter can't take with .30-06...

As to rifles, there are too many good options on the market for any of us to tell you what to buy. I'm partial to the Rem 700, but the X-Bolt, M70, Savage, T3, and Mk77 are all good quality rifles. Go to a shop with a good selection and handle a few and see what balances well, what you like the feel of.

If you're near a Bass Pro (Manteca or Rancho Cucamonga) they carry the Sako A7 line and have should have (or be able to get) a few of them left on clearance. This was an $850 rifle that they clearanced out due to some change in the Sako line and being overstocked, as they've whittled down the company wide stock the price has gotten lower and lower and hit $499 last week. I don't think it will go any lower before they sell out, but there should be some of them left in .243, .270, and .30-06. It's not necessarily a better rifle than the others listed above, but it is comparable and an incredible value at $499. Sako guarantees 5-shot 1MOA accuracy from the factory, and the few samples I've shot passed that test.

scidx
02-22-2011, 12:50 AM
I agree with the Winchester 70. The new ones are awesome. I have a 2009 model in 7mm-08. It's my go-to general purpose rifle. Any deer would fit right in the middle of the "general purpose" role.

The Howa 1500/Weatherby Vanguard is a great choice, as well. Beats out a Rem700 with me any day.

Trapper
02-22-2011, 7:54 AM
For hunting deer and pigs in Ca you can not go wrong with any of the calibers recommended by Toby. I love the look of a blued rifle with a fine walnut stock but for hunting stainless synthetic stocked rifles are much more forgiving. My go to rifle is a Remington 700 SPS stainless with a 24" barrel, Bell & Carlson Medalist stock and a Leupold VX-II 3-9x40.

Paradiddle
02-22-2011, 9:19 AM
No one has brought up rugers they are a nice rifle for the price also and are based off the mauser action. I been kinda wanting one in stainless with a laminate stock for a while.

Agree! Ruger gets no love on this forum because they are as tacticool as the Remington, but if you spend time on any hunting or more "out of state" forums they get mad love.

I have a M77 MkII in 6.5 Swede that is VERY accurate with a great trigger - it is essentially a M70 with some upgrades/changes and a lower price tag.

NytWolf
02-22-2011, 9:56 PM
Any suggestions on where to find these rifles readily available in Norther CA?

Where in NorCAL? If in Sacramento area, you can find all these at Wild Sports in Orangevale. The Gun Room in Elk Grove also has a very good selection, although prices will be higher. Sportsman's Warehouse used to be the place to go too, but they have limited their selection.

resident-shooter
02-22-2011, 10:03 PM
You can totally go for Nagant. As long as you feed it fresh ammo and not some 60 years old bulgarian junk, it will shoot very well. From fancier options, take a look at Brownings, Winchesters. quality guns.

bootless
02-22-2011, 10:17 PM
+ 1 for the Ruger. The Model 77 Mark II is a great bolt action rifle. They are tanks just like many other Rugers.

17+1
02-22-2011, 10:33 PM
I had been in the same situation and had done some checking and asked many questions, and one answer I wasn't expecting but was very valid was looking into a C&R bolt action rifle such as a Mauser or even a Nagant 91/30.

I was amazed how many people swore off their newer rifles for the sub 100, and sub 200 dollar surplus rifles. The accuracy is amazing, most of the ammo very affordable and one person mentioned the sneers he gets when he brings in the game and the guys with the latest and greatest don't.

The Swedish Mauser was the more popular due to the caliber being well known for it's amazing accuracy.

Just a thought.

I have a fixed up Turkish Mauser that I plan on using as a deer rifle eventually.

I was told to look at 700's but the cheap, gritty, sloppy Remington action does not compare to a smooth Mauser bolt.

Ak707
02-22-2011, 11:36 PM
If I was in the market for a deer rifle I'd buy a browning A Bolt in 270wsm.
I own 2 a bolts and they are both great, super accurate rifles. One is 7mmWSM the other is 300wsm.
Someone suggested 300wsm, wow...I use mine for elk that thing would destroy a deer, unless you shoot it in the neck...no meat wasted there

CK_32
02-23-2011, 9:06 AM
Remington 700 and be done with it.

You'll have meat for life. When the animals see you have a 700 they just walk up and say Im not even going to try to
run you can just have me. Hahaha its true I've seen it happen twice ;)

CK_32
02-23-2011, 9:11 AM
I have a fixed up Turkish Mauser that I plan on using as a deer rifle eventually.

I was told to look at 700's but the cheap, gritty, sloppy Remington action does not compare to a smooth Mauser bolt.

Haha thats because the person who told you that doesnt own one..
Remingtons are by far one of the most sturdy rifles out of the box (Aside from the cheaper models stocks) They are known for their actions......


When I was shopping around I held a tiki.. howa and a savage.. I bought remington...

There is a reason the military (besides just the contract) and millions of people use remington and its still around.. EVEN after all that sh*t CNBC said about their rifles they are still one of the top shooters out there..

Go to a f class competition.. 99% of the rifles will be 700's or actions from 700's... You cant argue with the facts.

RugerNo1
02-23-2011, 1:39 PM
Go to a f class competition.. 99% of the rifles will be 700's or actions from 700's... You cant argue with the facts.

Most of those actions are likely to be 700 clones made by companies like Stiller, Surgeon, and Lawton.

Most hunting rifles are not made with the above actions, but rather factory actions not cut to such close tolerances and nor subject to the same level of quality control.

FWIW, I will be getting a Tikka T3 in 30-06 for continental hunting. Smooth, stiff actions that are mag fed with notoriously accurate barrels(I have been told Sako, but I am not quite sure on that). Some other brands may have the same features, but at a much higher price level.

Whatever you get, just take it out and shoot it! Get to know it and go. Stop, talking about it! :thumbsup:

slick_711
02-23-2011, 2:51 PM
FWIW, I will be getting a Tikka T3 in 30-06 for continental hunting. Smooth, stiff actions that are mag fed with notoriously accurate barrels(I have been told Sako, but I am not quite sure on that). Some other brands may have the same features, but at a much higher price level.

Whatever you get, just take it out and shoot it! Get to know it and go. Stop, talking about it! :thumbsup:

You've been told right, Tikka & Sako are both made in Finland and both companies are owned by Beretta Holding. I'm under the impression the two lines are made in the same factory, but I don't know that for certain. Either way, the barrels are top notch for the money, that's a fact.

Dexster
02-23-2011, 2:53 PM
Tikka T3 in .270 or .30-06

yep... go to your nearest shop that has one and just pull the trigger. you will buy it.