View Full Version : Wisconson CC County Court Ruling

02-13-2011, 3:50 PM
Article Here (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116088824.html)

In the ongoing evolution of Wisconsin gun law, a Milwaukee County judge has ruled the state’s concealed carry statute unconstitutional as applied to a man who had an unloaded, encased gun under his car seat three days after he had been robbed at gunpoint in the same area of the city.

In an eight-page decision and order, Circuit Judge J.D. Watts agreed that in order for Jeremy Pinnow to exercise his right to bear arms for security and self-defense, he had few other choices.

According to Watts’ order, released Friday, no evidence at hearing suggested Pinnow had the gun for any unlawful purpose.

Watts’ decision relies heavily on a 2003 state Supreme Court opinion that found the concealed carry law was not unconstitutional as applied to a Black River Falls bar owner who had two loaded guns his car, and argued he needed them because he often deposited the nights’ receipts early in the morning. In that case, the court noted the bar owner was in a low-crime area, had never been robbed, and was in fact doing other errands during the day when he was stopped with the guns.

Watts found that Pinnow, in contrast, had just been robbed, was searching for his stolen car in a high-crime area, and had tried to comply with another state law about the transportation of firearms by keeping his gun unloaded, and in a case.

“He was exercising his right to bear arms in a reasonable and prudent manner,” Watts wrote.

Will Wisconsin soon become the 49th CCW state?


Jack L
02-13-2011, 4:01 PM
There is hope.

02-13-2011, 4:47 PM
It seems that WI is becoming more of the model test case. Soon, IL will be like an odd ball donut hole. :laugh:


02-13-2011, 5:39 PM
The legislature there will do CCW this year. The governor who repeatedly vetoed it is gone...it's now a done deal. Court cases like this will only help push it along but...my understanding is, it's really not needed.

02-13-2011, 5:57 PM
WI will be going either shall-issue or constitutional carry within the very near future. It is so late to the game that the NRA is going to have the opportunity to impose a "model" CCW law, which will be a strong constitutional carry system. Gov. Walker is kicking some ***** over there.

02-13-2011, 5:59 PM
Sure seems like a light at the end of the tunnel for Wisconsin....and it's not a train barreling down on them. Good for the judge presiding.

02-13-2011, 6:34 PM
Yeah, wisconsin will be good to go. Now, if they could get all the crooks out of Illinois, and get the state capitol moved back to springfield from chicago, maybe they could get something going there too.

02-13-2011, 10:06 PM
The question is not if Wisconsin will go shall issue, the question is will it go shall issue or constitutional issue.

If it doesn't do one of the above soon, it could find itself with "Court Issue" concealed carry.


02-13-2011, 11:59 PM
It was only a matter of time before Wisconsin joined the shall-issue states. Illinois is going to stick out like a sore thumb on those reciprocity maps :D

02-14-2011, 6:10 AM

02-14-2011, 6:22 AM
sigh. I'm still in California... :(

02-14-2011, 7:09 AM
Wisconsin is full of liberals. It's got Chicago riding up it's collective butt. Sad, really. The worst part of WI is it's ultra liberal police in the metro areas. At least there's still a judicial system in WI that's got it's head and balls in place to fight these people. As to the license/Constitutional carry debate, I think that's really up in the air. Constitutional sure would be nice.