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Turbinator
09-13-2006, 11:54 AM
Folks,

Bottom line - I NEED YOUR HELP to keep Panoche clean. I need some volunteers who can go out there in late October to do a volunteer clean up day and get some of the trash and other stuff out of Panoche.

Here's the background on this request.

I was planning a Panoche trip in the near future, and called to see when they are going to open the gate - no one replied to my posting in the other thread about Panoche, so I decided to do the groundwork myself.

I ended up speaking to a guy named Bruce Cotteral, he's been out there in the area since 1979, but over the years he's seen a gradual increase in the amount of traffic and trash that has built up at Panoche. It's getting so bad recently, that they are starting to think that maybe it should be shut down.

SHUT DOWN?!?

He gave me the name and phone number of a woman who is the current director of recreation for the Panoche Hills area.

Leslie Smith, lsmith@ca.blm.gov, (831) 630-5015.

She is responsible for planning all recreational activities in the area and sends all target shooting requests over to the Panoche Hills area. In speaking to her, she confirmed that the trash is a growing problem for Panoche (although she admitted that it probably isn't just the target shooters causing the problem - there are other people such as hunters, hikers, and campers who go there).

I asked if there is anything I can do to volunteer to do a clean up, and she told me that she is thinking of organizing a clean up day on or around October 28th.

I signed up for this!

I also told her that I am aware of a group of target shooters (I didn't name Calguns, but that's who I was thinking about) who would be very interested in going over at the same time to volunteer a clean up. I mentioned that there is a large group of casual shooters who are VERY interested in ensuring that this area stays open for our activities, and that we are very interested in pulling together to help keep the area clean.

She mentioned that in the future, they are thinking of adding facilities - a restroom and campgrounds for people to use. This would be awesome!

Please call her or e-mail her and ask to be added to her list of volunteers. They need people who can go out there and help keep the area clean. As a group of responsible shooters, I am confident that we can band together and do our part! Let's not lose another spot to closure!

Turby

ElBandito
09-13-2006, 12:08 PM
Wow great timing on my part! I asked for the weekend of the 28-29th off to go on a camping/shooting trip. Guess ill turn it into a cleaning/camping/shooting trip.

Count me in.

joel1316
09-13-2006, 12:58 PM
I can sign up to clean!
Who's gonna haul off the stuff?

Neil McCauley
09-13-2006, 1:11 PM
Panoche is spanish for......... :D

icormba
09-13-2006, 1:15 PM
I haven't even been to Panoche yet, but this is something I'd actually volunteer to do... especially if it means keeping a place open to shoot.

The only thing is... I'd need to request that particular Saturday off from work. I'll xx my fingers! It's a good cause. :)

Turbinator
09-13-2006, 2:57 PM
I can sign up to clean!
Who's gonna haul off the stuff?

It sounded like the BLM was going to rent a dumpster or at least use BLM pickup trucks to haul away the trash. They need volunteers to actually do the dirty work of picking up the garbage.

You all can sign up directly with the BLM - the contact name, e-mail address, and phone # above is your ticket to Karma points.

Not only does this earn you a coveted spot in the big range in the sky, but you also get to keep your spot here on earth too. :D

If you have gone to, or plan to go to Panoche, please consider signing up with the BLM and make this part of your "TO DO" list for 2006.

Thanks,
Turby

the_lynch_family
09-13-2006, 6:48 PM
I actually never been there but was planning on making this one of my new shooting places. I will be there for sure. I just left her a voice message. Well see what happens.

ElBandito
09-13-2006, 10:31 PM
this should be able to haul out a good deal
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/ChrisitoBandito/DSCN5052.jpg

if my two friends that plan to come along make it, ill have them haul out trash also. also if this turns out into an official cleanup i can ask a few guys from my offroad club to come with.

Turbinator
09-14-2006, 9:55 AM
Guys,

Thanks for the responses so far - and yes, I think that truck can definitely haul out some stuff! :)

We need to get more people involved, the response rate on Calguns has been pretty low so far. Would some of you kindly ping some other Calguns members who you know have gone to and use Panoche? We need to get as much visibility on this out to the shooting community, because we can't afford to lose another spot.

Turby

icormba
09-14-2006, 12:12 PM
How bad is it? Is is LARGE pieces of junk? or small bits of trash? do we need semi-light lifting equipment? or trash bags and garbage spikes for picking up said trash? Rakes & shovels? Or do we just need to supply the bodies?? I suppose I or we should be asking Leslie that?

the_lynch_family
09-14-2006, 12:51 PM
I just talked to her. She mentioned that they had a couple pickup trucks and a dumpster. So I think most likely we will just need man power. I will bring a box of large heavy duty garbage bags and a rake just for the hell of it. I am sure the gent who started this thread will have more details. After we are done we will have to have some range time..LOL


How bad is it? Is is LARGE pieces of junk? or small bits of trash? do we need semi-light lifting equipment? or trash bags and garbage spikes for picking up said trash? Rakes & shovels? Or do we just need to supply the bodies?? I suppose I or we should be asking Leslie that?

Turbinator
09-14-2006, 2:07 PM
Unfortunately, I don't have more details, but the best bet is to call Leslie, state that you are interested in volunteering, and get signed up. She can tell you more than I can.

I just talked to her. She mentioned that they had a couple pickup trucks and a dumpster. So I think most likely we will just need man power. I will bring a box of large heavy duty garbage bags and a rake just for the hell of it. I am sure the gent who started this thread will have more details. After we are done we will have to have some range time..LOL

Thanks for calling her! And yeah, range time afterwards sounds great :)

Turby

TonyM
09-14-2006, 3:28 PM
I'll be in Arizona at that time :D , so I won't be able to attend, but I try to do my share (or more) each time I go out there.

Last time I was out there was the week before they closed for summer. The big trash pile that is off on the left after the 3rd (think it's the 3rd) gate was in bad shape. A lot of small broken glass and metal, not too many large pieces. I had a friend with me and we had brought a couple shovels and some bags. I think we pulled out five 33 gallon bags of garbage from that area.

I usually don't go up to that area, as there's usually someone there already and I like to leave them alone. In the four previous trips up I always ran into alot of beer bottles and other camping trash.

There's alot of sharp stuff there, so I'd recommend bringing a shovel, bags, gloves and some water/bandages/iodine/bactine/etc, just in case.

BigMac
09-15-2006, 7:36 AM
I'm in.. unless I get the new job abd have to work weekends.

I always bring back more than I take

VeryCoolCat
09-15-2006, 11:16 AM
Just a note, you could probably use this on your taxes as community service and get a possible tax break, its a little too far for me.

Turbinator
09-15-2006, 4:22 PM
Just a note, you could probably use this on your taxes as community service and get a possible tax break, its a little too far for me.

Hah hah! That's a great idea, community service and range time, all at once..

Turby

Turbinator
09-17-2006, 12:46 AM
Ok guys, I just got back from a trip to Panoche today. As expected, the gates are locked - only 2 gates are open, the first one at the front, and the 2nd gate that leads into the 1st shooting area.

We packed out 2 full bags of trash from the area today.

We couldn't pick up the bigger bits - someone had shot a TV, a punching bag, and some chairs out there. We didn't have room to take all of that trash out of there. However, when we left, it was noticably cleaner. Still not perfect, but better for sure.

Please pass the word on to anyone that you know of who uses Panoche, we need to keep it clean as best as possible. Preaching to the choir, I'm sure, but I need to make sure we spread the word far and wide.

Thanks-
Turby

BigMac
09-17-2006, 9:42 AM
I wonder if they would post a sign.. clean up your trash or Panoche Hills will be closed.

Turbinator
09-17-2006, 9:56 AM
I wonder if they would post a sign.. clean up your trash or Panoche Hills will be closed.

They could, but it would need to be visible from the shooting areas. I have only stopped to look at the front gate once, and even then, I missed the cleanup sign up sheet that Leslie said is located there.

I'm surprised more people on this board aren't interested in cleaning up?

Turby

the_lynch_family
09-18-2006, 12:12 PM
Ya, I thought allot of people would be interested in this also. I will hardly ever get to go there but I want the place to be open for when I do decide to go. For me I think its like a 2.5 hour drive.I will be coming from Fremont. I plan on doing the cleanup. Then cook some lunch up then do some target shooting.Is there anyone else from the Fremont Bay area that going. Maybe I could follow you there.
Maybe this needs to be in the general forum also,,????


binator]They could, but it would need to be visible from the shooting areas. I have only stopped to look at the front gate once, and even then, I missed the cleanup sign up sheet that Leslie said is located there.

I'm surprised more people on this board aren't interested in cleaning up?

Turby[/QUOTE]

BigMac
09-18-2006, 1:01 PM
If I'm not working, I'm going. We can run those nasty old 1919's there ;)

I'll be taking my big truck so the gas will cost me about 200 bucks, but it is worth it. I've cleaned up so much junk there already.

Anyone remeber the comercial in the 70's with the native american indian that had a tear roll down his face looking at all the trash. Thats kinda how some spots at panoche hills make me feel. I've been there for the spring bloom and the place is FANTASTIC. Too bad there are so many a-holes that dont care about taking care of the land.

Turbinator
09-18-2006, 2:38 PM
Thanks, you two, you seem to be the only two reading this thread :)

Ya, I thought allot of people would be interested in this also. I will hardly ever get to go there but I want the place to be open for when I do decide to go. For me I think its like a 2.5 hour drive.I will be coming from Fremont. I plan on doing the cleanup. Then cook some lunch up then do some target shooting.Is there anyone else from the Fremont Bay area that going. Maybe I could follow you there.
Maybe this needs to be in the general forum also,,????

That would be nice if we could sticky this so that all future Panoche go'ers will be reminded that they should take out more trash than they bring in. If we all did this, we could at least help keep the balance of trashiness to cleanliness in check.

Yes, for you it would be about a 2.5 hour drive. I'm in San Jose, and it's just about a 2 hour drive for me.

If I'm not working, I'm going. We can run those nasty old 1919's there ;)

I'll be taking my big truck so the gas will cost me about 200 bucks, but it is worth it. I've cleaned up so much junk there already.

$200 is a lot for you to get down there, but your dedication and concern is clear if you are willing to spend that much to help out. Thank you!

Turby

Rickfifty
09-18-2006, 7:58 PM
I mostly just lurk here, but I've been following this thread also. I know that I have to work that Saturday. I've never been to Panoche but I'd like to be able to go in the future, so that trash pisses me off. I'm also in Fremont, very close to Big Mac(Irvington Arms, right?). How about some directions to the area? Specific, as I know it's down I-5. Guys like me usually take extra bags and haul out what we can. I'm only responding because Turbinator didn't think many cared. We do, just can't help that day. And Big Mac, no wonder you need a second job...$200 to drive to Panoche?!!!

BigMac
09-19-2006, 7:54 AM
I'll fill up at leats two time to get there and back. Costs just under a hundred bucks to fill the tank.

I need a job because the gunshop cant support me, has nothing to do with my truck.

I was one of the people that spead the word about shooting at panoche. Some days I whish I hadn't.

joel1316
09-19-2006, 8:12 AM
I wonder if the culprits even belong to Calguns?
I saw furniture (desk, cabinets) that were hauled up there and shot? WTF?!?
I use bowling pins, metal (reusable targets) and items that are bio degradable. Non biodegradable (food items) come home with me...

the_lynch_family
09-19-2006, 3:42 PM
Yo Bigmac,
If you like you are welcome to ride up with me so you dont have to spend the funds on all the gas. I get like 300 miles to the tank on my cherokee.LOL ..If we put down my back seats we could probably fit your cannon back there depending on how wide it is, But I know how it is wanting to take your own ride but the offers there if needed.

If I'm not working, I'm going. We can run those nasty old 1919's there ;)

I'll be taking my big truck so the gas will cost me about 200 bucks, but it is worth it. I've cleaned up so much junk there already.

Anyone remeber the comercial in the 70's with the native american indian that had a tear roll down his face looking at all the trash. Thats kinda how some spots at panoche hills make me feel. I've been there for the spring bloom and the place is FANTASTIC. Too bad there are so many a-holes that dont care about taking care of the land.

Turbinator
09-19-2006, 4:57 PM
I need a job because the gunshop cant support me, has nothing to do with my truck.

Can you work in high tech? Maybe you'd be interested in doing Inside Sales - account management? :)

Turby

BigMac
09-19-2006, 8:32 PM
Im a line maintenance facility maintenance hazmat kinda guy.

I like working with my hands. That wearing a tie stuff isn't for me. (done it and hated every minute)

the_lynch_family
09-20-2006, 10:02 PM
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Turbinator
09-21-2006, 8:00 AM
Please go ahead and post it where you feel responsible shooters will see it and take positive action.

I don't want people who are the litterbugs seeing this, and saying, "OH wow, another spot for us to go trash up!" And then they take off to Panoche and ruin it for everyone else.

Use your judgement, I trust you will do right!

Turby

joel1316
09-21-2006, 8:47 AM
I don't want people who are the litterbugs seeing this, and saying, "OH wow, another spot for us to go trash up!" And then they take off to Panoche and ruin it for everyone else.
Turby

+1
Truthfully, would hate to see Panoche get too popular :rolleyes:

the_lynch_family
09-21-2006, 9:17 AM
Hell Guys,
This has been posted on a public board here. Of course you may get a few of those types. They are everywhere. I even see them at the gun club I belong to. Nothing you can do about it but try to clean up after them when you are out there.I do this all the time. Since you guys are worried I will not be posting or trying to get anyone else to go in fear of being the guy who told the litterbugs.LOL I was just offering to get more man power since it only looks like three or four people have confirmed with Lesly that they will be there.
Brian



Originally Posted by Turbinator
I don't want people who are the litterbugs seeing this, and saying, "OH wow, another spot for us to go trash up!" And then they take off to Panoche and ruin it for everyone else.
Turby

+1
Truthfully, would hate to see Panoche get too popular :rolleyes:

Turbinator
10-03-2006, 3:03 PM
Bumping this up so that people don't forget to help volunteer out to clean up Panoche.

Turby

BigMac
10-04-2006, 7:52 AM
I have this on my calander and flyers on the counter at the shop.

the_lynch_family
10-04-2006, 10:36 AM
Hi guys,
What sort of targets do you shoot out in the open range. I am in the process of making a stand for a 15" armor plate gong. I wish I knew someone that welded. I am trying to make it simple enough so that it doesnt get to heavy.

ElBandito
10-04-2006, 1:03 PM
Hi guys,
What sort of targets do you shoot out in the open range. I am in the process of making a stand for a 15" armor plate gong. I wish I knew someone that welded. I am trying to make it simple enough so that it doesnt get to heavy.

where are you located? im planning to weld up some target stands for the trip aswell

the_lynch_family
10-04-2006, 2:11 PM
message sent

Turbinator
10-04-2006, 5:49 PM
I have this on my calander and flyers on the counter at the shop.

What a great guy! Thanks again for doing this, you're a valuable asset to the board and to the CA community. Much appreciated!

Turby

Turbinator
10-04-2006, 5:50 PM
Hi guys,
What sort of targets do you shoot out in the open range. I am in the process of making a stand for a 15" armor plate gong. I wish I knew someone that welded. I am trying to make it simple enough so that it doesnt get to heavy.

I'd personally LOVE some steel swinging targets, I like hearing the "plink" sound when a bullet strikes a steel plate. Very satisfying. Unfortunately, I don't have any yet. Wouldn't mind getting some.

Turby

the_lynch_family
10-04-2006, 6:56 PM
You are welcome to shoot the hell out of mine. I may end up having a ar500 half body size plate we can shoot at also.I am just waiting for the shipping quote. Hopefully it wont be to much,lol

I'd personally LOVE some steel swinging targets, I like hearing the "plink" sound when a bullet strikes a steel plate. Very satisfying. Unfortunately, I don't have any yet. Wouldn't mind getting some.

Turby

PistolKidd
10-04-2006, 7:03 PM
That's awesome.. TOTALLY awesome taht you guys are gonna clean up your own stomping grounds...

I sometimes brought a broom out to where we would shoot and sweep up the brass and carry whatever we could pick up. It wasnt' super clean by any stretch of the imagination, but at least it helped..

At this point, we dont leave trash or other crap like that out there.. we carry trashbags and try to carry out all our litter..

Big points to you guys for caring enough to take care of your area..:)

the_lynch_family
10-04-2006, 7:10 PM
So how many do we actually have going from the board here.
2 are going from my family.

Cesar G.
10-04-2006, 7:35 PM
saw the flyer at martins i am going maybe some friends also

bbq_ribs
10-04-2006, 9:33 PM
A few of us might head down that way. I just have to check out my work schedule and see if I'm off that weekend.

If any of you do go - bring a good rake!!! It'll make cleaning the little stuff up a whole lot easier. Perhaps a good sized sign saying "Do not leave trash" would be a good idea. Just make sure it's in Spanish too. *sigh*

And THICK trash bags. Those cheap arse Kirkland bags from Costco are just.. well, cheap crap. We ended up triple bagging everything on a recent trip.

Blue
10-07-2006, 8:08 PM
I can make your guys's targets. I work in a welding shop down here in San Jose. I still owe Martin some crows :D

the_lynch_family
10-07-2006, 9:04 PM
Hi Blue84s10,
I am in need of a stand for a armor plate gong I have coming. What would you charge to make me up a simple gong stand. The plate I purchased has some swinger mounts on it that require a 1/2 solid bar to go through the swing mounts that connect to the gong. I would like something thats self standing. I was about to start making one this week but my time is very limited. Heres a pick of the plate and swingers I have coming. Except my plate is little bigger then the ones in the pics. Mine is 15x15 abrasive resistant ar500 plate.
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=12&t=241408


I can make your guys's targets. I work in a welding shop down here in San Jose. I still owe Martin some crows :D

BigMac
10-10-2006, 7:26 AM
I can make your guys's targets. I work in a welding shop down here in San Jose. I still owe Martin some crows :D

Hey now , those are decoys, not targets ;)

the_lynch_family
10-16-2006, 2:15 PM
bump bump bump

dwtt
10-16-2006, 8:19 PM
I have never been to Panoche and don't even know where it is, but if I can shoot my .50 cal there I can help out. The only thing is that my beat up old Civic won't likely make it and I would need a ride from someone who's willing to carry a big case in their car or truck. I'm in Fremont if it matters.

Turbinator
10-16-2006, 8:25 PM
I have never been to Panoche and don't even know where it is, but if I can shoot my .50 cal there I can help out. The only thing is that my beat up old Civic won't likely make it and I would need a ride from someone who's willing to carry a big case in their car or truck. I'm in Fremont if it matters.

You could potentially catch a ride with Bigmac. You probably CAN shoot your .50 there as well, although I've never tried it or saw anyone shooting a .50 there.

Turby

ElBandito
10-17-2006, 1:14 AM
Sorry guys, looks like i gotta skip on this one :mad: I just got an opportunity to apply for the san mateo sheriff's department and testing is that day and that day only. If i get the morning test slot ill try to swing by later in the day.

FrankG
10-17-2006, 4:09 AM
were is this place...nobody ever posted directions other that 2 1/2 hrs from fremont...

ElBandito
10-17-2006, 1:05 PM
were is this place...nobody ever posted directions other that 2 1/2 hrs from fremont...

Directions i got from the BLM

From I-5, take the Mercy Hot Springs (Little Panoche Road) exit. continue
west on this road, past the Little Panoche Retention Dam. You will see a
BLM sign on your left, indicating the entrance to the Panoche Hills. This
is where we will meet. The gravel access road bisects the Panoche Hills,
but has no outlet on the east side. The road is closed four miles up the
road during fire season (mid-April to mid-Oct).

From Hollister, take US Hwy 25 and travel south, take the J-1 road (left)
at Paicines, and head east. Turn left onto Little Panoche Road, and
continue until you see the BLM sign on your right just north of Mercy Hot
Springs Resort.

Turbinator
10-17-2006, 1:46 PM
Just understand that if you go there, and you're new to Panoche, CLEAN UP more than you bring in - take out MORE with you when you leave. Don't leave your stuff behind, this is why we're going there to clean it up in the first place.

Other than that, enjoy, and see if you can help us out on the 28th.

Turby

Turbinator
10-25-2006, 10:12 AM
Hi folks,

Here we go, here are some details for this Saturday's volunteer event.

Lesly actually has been reassigned to temporary duty in Caliente, NV (must be in the desert with a name like that), so Jason Lowe in the same district has taken over to run the cleanup event. You can call Jason directly at (831) 630-5023 if you need to speak to him.

You should bring small tools such as rakes etc, as previously mentioned in this thread. You may also want work gloves for yourself, too.

They are giving away t-shirts for the first 25 volunteers, to celebrate National Public Lands Day. I don't know how many people will be there.

You should also bring a chair, she said, unless you plan on sitting on your tailgate of your vehicle.

Bring a camera to take photos if you like, there is a NPLD photo contest that you can enter, although I don't have any details on this myself.

Here is an e-mail from Jason with more info:

"Yes, we are still on for the clean up. We'll meet at 9 am at the Panoche
access road. Drive about a mile or two past the kiosk up the access road
to met at the 3rd gate. That is where the trash is. We've made arrangements to pile the big stuff along the road and have a dumptruck pick it up. Bring a garden rake if you have one. We also tested a magnetic broom and it works great for nails, shotgun shells and some rifle shells. The pure brass shells of most handguns don't work though. See you Saturday!

Jason Lowe
Wildlife Biologist
Hollister Field Office"


All gates are open!

If you have questions, post them here, and/or call Jason directly. See you on Saturday!

Turby

BigMac
10-25-2006, 2:24 PM
See you guys there!

I'm looking forward to trying a couple new toys.

11Z50
10-26-2006, 7:07 PM
Turby,
I just read this today, I am only home for a short time and unfortunately cannot make the clean-up, although I'd love to participate. Panoche is a favorite spot, and I've spent many an hour there enjoying shooting with Cal-Gunners. I'd like to help, PM me........
11Z50

edwardm
10-29-2006, 3:56 AM
Well, about 8 or 9 people cleaned up the shooting area to the left of the 3rd gate on Saturday. Myself, and a bunch of other guys who I met for the first time showed around 8:15-8:30. By 8:45 or so, BLM wasn't there yet, so we just started raking, going down the hillsides, bagging trash, etc.

I think we bagged 20-30 *BIG* black trash bags full of stuff, plus a big pile of things like spare tires, an old lamp, car battery, car fender, some big beefy propane or water tank (it was >50 lbs, and only about 10 gallons in size). And we even did some fence repair. People who trash that place SUCK!

The best part was getting to shoot with Martin from Irvington Arms, and all the other cool Calgunners who let me hang out with them and shoot, even though I was a FNG to all of them. I had a great time, and it was a kick in the ****** meeting all of you. I'm a certified black rifle addict now. :)

For our troubles we got some t-shirts, and (at least for me) a feeling that I helped accomplish something good by getting that mess cleaned up.

-e

BigMac
10-29-2006, 7:34 AM
It was the best time I had shooting in a long time.

Tanerite kicks butt!

I still dont have that mossberg unjammed :confused:

I guess I'll work on it a little today and go on down to targetmasters to try it again.

Turbinator
10-29-2006, 8:49 AM
Hey all,

The cleanup went well. I have to give credit to everyone who went, since I got there a little late, I think most of the heavy work was done by the time I got there. :( Sorry guys!! Anyway, here we go, the crew from the trip -

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/871284/DSC_4438c.jpg

Identities concealed since I don't have anyone's specific permission to post pictures on the 'net for public consumption.

BigMac - sorry man! I really DID have to leave quickly, so we stayed at the first spot, ran a quick session, and bolted out of there. We can set up another Calguns day and I'll stick around to watch you guys blast!

Turby

edwardm
10-29-2006, 8:54 AM
It was the best time I had shooting in a long time.

Tanerite kicks butt!

I still dont have that mossberg unjammed :confused:

I guess I'll work on it a little today and go on down to targetmasters to try it again.

Percussive Maintenance - aka "Hammer" :)

Turbinator
10-29-2006, 9:05 AM
I like this one of the BLM truck:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/871284/DSC_4414b.jpg

DRAMATIC improvement in the overall look and cleanliness of the site:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/871284/DSC_4433b.jpg

IF you're going to shoot at this crap, at least take it out with you:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/871284/DSC_4426b.jpg

Volunteers received a free tshirt (correctional facility orange color) for their efforts:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/871284/DSC_4442b.jpg

Turby

Rascal
10-29-2006, 11:53 AM
The place looks good!
Sorry I couldn't make it, but I work on the weekends now and couldn't get the time off.

BigMac
10-29-2006, 12:18 PM
I couldn't believe it but on our way out there was already new trash left at that site. A smile pile, but still new trsh :mad:

Oh, and you have my permision to post my pic. Almost everyone has seen my ugly mug anyway ;)

Cesar G.
10-29-2006, 1:12 PM
you have my permision also had a great time meeting all of you also what a fun time shooting I LOVE TANERITE

Turbinator
10-29-2006, 3:48 PM
I couldn't believe it but on our way out there was already new trash left at that site. A smile pile, but still new trsh :mad:

Are you sure? The BLM guy didn't take everything away this pass - he'll be back next weekend to get the rest. When we left, we took our brass and targets with us. It was in the same shape as when you guys left.. What time did you roll outta there?

Turby

BigMac
10-29-2006, 5:39 PM
posative..

We left just before dark.

edwardm
10-29-2006, 7:04 PM
posative..

We left just before dark.

I'm such a dipsh^t.

Who was talking about the Scotts Valley place (for shooting)?

Turbinator
10-29-2006, 8:27 PM
posative..

We left just before dark.

Ok - someone must have showed up after we left, did some shooting, and left trash behind. How stupid. There were trash bags right there, they could have at least put the trash IN the bags. We should post signs - "Please keep this area clean, clean up after yourselves."

Turby

edwardm
10-29-2006, 8:48 PM
Ok - someone must have showed up after we left, did some shooting, and left trash behind. How stupid. There were trash bags right there, they could have at least put the trash IN the bags. We should post signs - "Please keep this area clean, clean up after yourselves."

Turby

Uh, then they'd just shoot the sign, and toss it down the hill and someone else would have to hike down, gather up the pieces, and lug it back topside.

the_lynch_family
10-29-2006, 9:37 PM
It was nice meeting all of you this weekend. My brother said the same also. We need to plan another shoot out there in a few months. Heres a few picks I had of the before and after pics. They arent the greatest pics but you can get the idea of how jacked up it was out there.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2825-1.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2828.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2827.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2826.jpg

the_lynch_family
10-29-2006, 9:42 PM
And heres are some more.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2824.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2823.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2822222.jpg

MUCH BETTER!!!!
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/the_lynch_family/DSCF2829.jpg

the_lynch_family
10-29-2006, 9:51 PM
That was me.

I'm such a dipsh^t.

Who was talking about the Scotts Valley place (for shooting)?

Turbinator
10-30-2006, 7:00 AM
Uh, then they'd just shoot the sign, and toss it down the hill and someone else would have to hike down, gather up the pieces, and lug it back topside.

Good point on the sign. Too bad.

One thing I wanted to add here, the BLM guy was very friendly and helpful and easy to talk to. He supports hunters and shooters, although he is not one himself. He is a wildlife biologist who is really passionate and knowledgeable about wildlife and our public lands. He's toyed with the idea of getting into hunting, but is too busy with projects right now to think more about it.

I figure as long as we are responsible people, we have his support to continue using the land for target shooting.

While we were out there, I did see a another car of people observing birds or wildlife. They left us alone and didn't seem to be too bothered with the fact that we were out there to target shoot.

Turby

fguerra
10-30-2006, 11:26 AM
It was the best time I had shooting in a long time.

Tanerite kicks butt!


I have got to agree! Best time shooting in a long time. It was cool meeting some fellow Calgunners and fun shooting with them. The 1919's were an awesome site sitting there together looking very evil.

And Tanerite truly does kick butt!:D

tjschia
10-30-2006, 9:52 PM
Tannerite is a lot of fun too bad it is $89 a case

BigMac
10-31-2006, 8:51 AM
That breaks down to 4.45 per 1/2 lb target.

That is also single case price. If you pool your money together you can talk them into a cheaper price.

I just got spades for my 1919 so now I want to go back ;)

edwardm
10-31-2006, 10:06 AM
That breaks down to 4.45 per 1/2 lb target.

That is also single case price. If you pool your money together you can talk them into a cheaper price.

I just got spades for my 1919 so now I want to go back ;)

Holler. I've still got a full case I need to take out there and play with. :)

the_lynch_family
11-03-2006, 1:40 PM
Edited to remove note to Bigmac.


I cant remember everyones names I met the other day at the shoot. Hell, I cant remember anyones names to be honest. I am getting old I guess and was pretty jacked up about shooting my new toy for the first time. I think I was on another planet. But would any of you be interested in planning another trip out there. I would like to try to find a spot out there to where we could do some shooting to at least 500-600 yrds if possible. It seemed like 250-300 range or what ever we were shooting at the armor plates were easy work for what we were shooting. I would like to see what the M1A's we all have can do. This time we can set up a grill, etc.
Let me know if anyone has any interest and we could set up a date that works for everyone.:D





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acegunnr
11-29-2006, 3:07 PM
Hey guys I'm thinking of taking my son's Boy Scout patrol on a camp and shoot at Panoche during Christmas break. Good way for them to earn their rifle shooting merit badge and get community service hours cleaning up the place. Any recommendations on where to camp? I plan on calling Leslie at BLM.

Thanks in advance!

Turbinator
11-29-2006, 3:33 PM
Hey guys I'm thinking of taking my son's Boy Scout patrol on a camp and shoot at Panoche during Christmas break. Good way for them to earn their rifle shooting merit badge and get community service hours cleaning up the place. Any recommendations on where to camp? I plan on calling Leslie at BLM.

Thanks in advance!

What you'll need to do is call Jason at the BLM, and have a chat with him to figure out the best places to camp. You may also want to let him know that you'll be out there doing community service as he may be able to show up and help truck out the trash. Lesly is on temp reassignment to another BLM spot, so she isn't the one managing this area at the moment.

All I have is Jason's e-mail address, so here you go - please do not spam him, folks!

Jason_Lowe@blm.gov

Good luck and thank you for doing this,
Turby