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Kestryll
02-09-2011, 1:07 PM
There is a law firm called 'Righthaven, LLC' which is aquiring rights to articles from various media groups and then suing anyone who uses articles or photos from the papers that are part of those media groups.

There have been blogs and web site shut down over this, Righthaven basically sues hoping for a settlement and sites that can not afford to fight in court or pay them off close down.

Apparently Righthaven has moved in to more questionable waters recently by suing Pajamas Media directly in spite of PM having a registered DMCA Agent.
If a site registers an Agent for contact under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) a copyright holder is required to contact that agent about removing the copyrighted image or article prior to filing suit.
Pajamas Media has a registered Agent, as does Calguns, but Righthaven filed suit in spite of that.

Rather than chase their own tails trying to remove selected articles from these papers many web site, again including Calguns.net now, are simply 'blacking out' these media groups and their papers/websites.
No photos, no articles, nothing from those on the list of media groups signing on with Righthaven.


Below is a list of newspapers by media group affiliated with Righthaven, LLC, do not post any photos or articles from these newspapers.

Here is a link to an Excel/ Open Office spreadsheet with the names and websites for the listed papers:
www.calguns.net/righthaven-newspapers.xlsx

MediaNews Group

* Alameda Times-Star
* Enterprise-Record
* Times-Standard
* Argus
* The Daily Review
* Lake County Record-Bee
* Press-Telegram
* The Monterey County Herald
* Marin Independent Journal
* Oakland Tribune
* Inland Valley Daily Bulletin
* Oroville Mercury-Register
* Pasadena Star-News
* Tri-Valley Herald
* Red Bluff Daily News
* Redlands Daily Facts
* The Sun
* San Jose Mercury News
* San Mateo County Times
* Santa Cruz Sentinel
* Daily Breeze
* The Ukiah Daily Journal
* The Reporter
* Times-Herald
* Contra Costa Times
* San Gabriel Valley Tribune
* Whittier Daily News
* Daily Democrat
* Daily News
* Daily Camera
* The Denver Post
* Fort Morgan Times
* Journal-Advocate
* Sentinel & Enterprise
* The Sun
* North Adams Transcript
* The Berkshire Eagle
* The Detroit News
* St. Paul Pioneer Press
* Alamogordo Daily News
* Carlsbad Current-Argus
* The Deming Headlight
* The Daily Times
* Las Cruces Sun-News
* Public Opinion
* The Evening Sun
* Lebanon Daily News
* The York Dispatch
* York Daily Record - York Sunday News
* El Paso Times
* The Salt Lake Tribune
* Bennington Banner
* Brattleboro Reformer
* Charleston Daily Mail


WEHCO Media

* WECHO Media
* Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
* Banner News
* Benton County Daily Record
* California Democrat
* Camden News
* Chattanooga Times Free Press
* El Dorado News-Times
* Fulton Sun
* News Tribune
* NW Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
* NW Arkansas Times
* Rogers Morning News
* Springdale Morning News
* Texarkana Gazette
* The Sentinel-Record

Stephens Media

* Southwest Times Record
* Pine Bluff Commercial
* North Little Rock Times
* Press Argus Courier
* Jacksonville Patriot
* Sherwood Voice
* Maumelle Monitor
* Cabot Star-Herald
* Lonoke Democrat
* Carlisle Independent
* Hot Springs Village Voice
* Van Buren County Democrat
* Booneville Democrat
* Charleston Express
* Greenwood Democrat
* Paris Express
* White Hall Progress
* Lincoln Leader
* Farmington Post
* Prairie Grove Enterprise
* Hawaii Tribune-Herald
* West Hawaii Today
* Big Island Weekly
* North Hawaii News
* Las Vegas Review-Journal
* Las Vegas CityLife
* El Tiempo
* Las Vegas Business Press
* Boulder City Review
* Ely Times, Ely
* Rebel Nation
* Pahrump Valley Times
* Eureka Sentinal
* Tonopah Times-Bonanza
* Courier-Tribune
* The Herald Democrat
* Bartlesville Examiner-Enterprise
* Pawhuska Journal-Capital
* Anna-Melissa Tribune
* Grayson County Shopper
* Prosper Press, Prosper
* Van Alstyne Leader
* Lake Texoma Life
* The Daily Herald
* The Advertiser News
* The Value Guide
* Franklin Life
* Brentwood Life
* Healthy Living
* The Daily World
* The Vidette
* The North Coast News
* The South Beach Bulletin
* East County News

Gray Peterson
02-09-2011, 1:25 PM
Can we still post links with purely our own commentary and then a link?

Kestryll
02-09-2011, 1:29 PM
My understanding is that a short snippet and a link is okay but full articles or photos has triggered protection racket-style lawsuits.

Personally I'd like to see all websites say 'no links, no nothing' and cut raffic to those site to nothing, as jdberger says, cripple them financially.

Unfortunately it's just not realistic, sometimes these papers will have news that needs to get out and in those cases we do it carefully and by the book.

Wherryj
02-09-2011, 1:42 PM
My understanding is that a short snippet and a link is okay but full articles or photos has triggered protection racket-style lawsuits.

Personally I'd like to see all websites say 'no links, no nothing' and cut raffic to those site to nothing, as jdberger says, cripple them financially.

Unfortunately it's just not realistic, sometimes these papers will have news that needs to get out and in those cases we do it carefully and by the book.

Perhaps we should all go one further. Anyone who reads an article should post a thread on their favorite forum with nothing but their own interpretation of what the article said and explicit instructions not to view the article.

No picture, no quote, no link.

That should help out with their "journalistic" efforts. :D

N6ATF
02-09-2011, 2:05 PM
Or better yet, just copy the article in http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/ and paste the dialectized version.

Blackhawk556
02-09-2011, 2:26 PM
Since you aee the owner of this site, I think you should email this to everyone in here. There's always someone who "didn't get the memo"

Fictitious Simily
02-09-2011, 3:15 PM
Or better yet, just copy the article in http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/ and paste the dialectized version.

I had to try that website out. Here is a random article I picked on MSNBC, and its even gun related!
http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F41495274 %2Fns%2Fus_news-security%2F

D-Man
02-09-2011, 3:39 PM
I had to try that website out. Here is a random article I picked on MSNBC, and its even gun related!
http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F41495274 %2Fns%2Fus_news-security%2F

Now that right there was funny to read!

MasterYong
02-09-2011, 3:47 PM
Wow.

It's perfectly legal to distribute online content with proper credit given. These guys are just bullying sites that are in the right, yet can't afford to defendt hemselves. Sooner or later they'll bark up the wrong tree and get slapped with an injunction and likely damages as well. User-generated content is even more kosher.

Looks like my local rag is on the list. I'll have to send them a letter explaining why I will never again support their paper.

Havoc70
02-09-2011, 4:17 PM
Wow.

It's perfectly legal to distribute online content with proper credit given. These guys are just bullying sites that are in the right, yet can't afford to defendt hemselves. Sooner or later they'll bark up the wrong tree and get slapped with an injunction and likely damages as well. User-generated content is even more kosher.

Looks like my local rag is on the list. I'll have to send them a letter explaining why I will never again support their paper.


Not true, copyright content is still under full protection of copyright (having had several photos stolen from my gallery and used illegally, I'm pretty well versed in this area). If an article is copyrighted, distribution is not permitted, even if it is publicly viewable.

This is a misconception a lot of people have, and it can lead to some issues. Now if it's a public domain work, then all bets are off, but all news stories are copyrighted to their respective owners/agents.

curtisfong
02-09-2011, 4:27 PM
Fair use fail.


for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright


CGF needs a anti-copyright troll division.

Librarian
02-09-2011, 4:51 PM
Wow.

It's perfectly legal to distribute online content with proper credit given.

No. Absolutely not.

Unless you have actual permission from the copyright holder, "fair use" should - note "should" and compare to lawsuits! - allow one to use small snips.

Follow the links in my sticky http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=363956

curtisfong
02-09-2011, 4:59 PM
IMO "IP" is the new guns.

Information is a weapon.

jeff762
02-09-2011, 5:05 PM
my 2cents, this should be a sticky in all the sub-forums.

N6ATF
02-09-2011, 5:35 PM
I had to try that website out. Here is a random article I picked on MSNBC, and its even gun related!
http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F41495274 %2Fns%2Fus_news-security%2F

Doing the link thing doesn't work in Firefox 3.6.13...

Shotgun Man
02-09-2011, 7:04 PM
Dat's a wot of news outwets to wemembew not to qwote.

ZenDaddy
02-09-2011, 10:36 PM
Their website (http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=moron&url=http://www.righthavenlawsuits.com/) looks good with a little rinkworks rework:)

anthonyca
02-09-2011, 10:46 PM
We were just having a conversation in another thread about DV charges often being false and used to get back at someone or for divorce\custody reasons and it got me thinking. Someone who wants to shut down a forum or site may join just to post articles and pictures and them email that to some extortion law firm. What is to say that a law firm doesn't do that already?

How long before they start demanding "protection" money?

harbinger007
02-09-2011, 11:00 PM
Does the Brady bunch have a forum we can join to post articles to?

N6ATF
02-09-2011, 11:08 PM
Does the Brady bunch have a forum we can join to post articles to?

No. The 2A isn't the only amendment they print on toilet paper.

WokMaster1
02-09-2011, 11:32 PM
Does the Brady bunch have a forum we can join to post articles to?

:D That's funny.

tenpercentfirearms
02-10-2011, 6:36 AM
We were just having a conversation in another thread about DV charges often being false and used to get back at someone or for divorce\custody reasons and it got me thinking. Someone who wants to shut down a forum or site may join just to post articles and pictures and them email that to some extortion law firm. What is to say that a law firm doesn't do that already?

How long before they start demanding "protection" money?

That won't be so effective on a properly moderated forum. By the time the complaint gets around, the content will be removed and the offender will have already been banned. Second, what happens when they aren't that bright and we track their IP back to them and then file our own lawsuit?

Basically it comes down to how we handle it. This thread makes it abundantly clear the moderators are aware of this problem and taking steps to stop it. There is still a certain amount of freedom we users enjoy so the owner of CGN can't be responsible for our actions. However, the owner must correct us and make efforts to stop it from happening again. When this is shown, CGN is not liable.

IGOTDIRT4U
02-10-2011, 7:28 AM
Also, we can 'self-moderate'. If you see a post that violates the rule(s) or is even questionable, alert a the mods and they can make the call.

Also, if you are posting and feel in doubt, it's probably illegal.

Oceanbob
02-10-2011, 7:41 AM
No difference.

Fictitious Simily
02-10-2011, 8:45 AM
Doing the link thing doesn't work in Firefox 3.6.13...

It works for me, you still have to click dialectize to see the page, but the URL box is already filled in.

ZenDaddy
02-10-2011, 12:07 PM
That won't be so effective on a properly moderated forum. By the time the complaint gets around, the content will be removed and the offender will have already been banned. Second, what happens when they aren't that bright and we track their IP back to them and then file our own lawsuit? .

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/michaeljmutch/wwwrighthavenlawsuitscom-GeoIPAdressView-ViewGEOIPaddressinformationandlocateIPonmap.png

N6ATF
02-10-2011, 12:08 PM
It works for me, you still have to click dialectize to see the page, but the URL box is already filled in.

It creates a 2nd frame but no actual article in either one. Javascript is enabled.

MasterYong
02-10-2011, 12:22 PM
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/michaeljmutch/wwwrighthavenlawsuitscom-GeoIPAdressView-ViewGEOIPaddressinformationandlocateIPonmap.png

I'm not sure you understand how this works...

darkwater
02-10-2011, 9:08 PM
Yes, some of our 2A friends have been hit with lawsuits...notably the Second Amendment Foundation and The Armed Citizen, a blog by Clayton Cramer http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/?1. TAC went for the settlement, since it was cheaper than attorney fees to fight it. I don't know how SAF is faring at this point. They do have their own legal eagles, though...:)

ZenDaddy
02-11-2011, 9:32 AM
I'm not sure you understand how this works...

Just trying to elicit a chuckle from the crowd MisterYong. I understand "how this works".

gunsmith
02-11-2011, 2:19 PM
My understanding is that a short snippet and a link is okay but full articles or photos has triggered protection racket-style lawsuits.

Personally I'd like to see all websites say 'no links, no nothing' and cut raffic to those site to nothing, as jdberger says, cripple them financially.

Unfortunately it's just not realistic, sometimes these papers will have news that needs to get out and in those cases we do it carefully and by the book.

YES ?? NO?? i'VE BEEN QUOTING AROUND ONE PARAGRAPH ... oops caplock. ... anywayI usually add a link and a paragraph - that's no longer OK?

supersonic
02-13-2011, 7:26 AM
There is a law firm called 'Righthaven, LLC' which is aquiring rights to articles from various media groups and then suing anyone who uses articles or photos from the papers that are part of those media groups.

There have been blogs and web site shut down over this, Righthaven basically sues hoping for a settlement and sites that can not afford to fight in court or pay them off close down.

Apparently Righthaven has moved in to more questionable waters recently by suing Pajamas Media directly in spite of PM having a registered DMCA Agent.
If a site registers an Agent for contact under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) a copyright holder is required to contact that agent about removing the copyrighted image or article prior to filing suit.
Pajamas Media has a registered Agent, as does Calguns, but Righthaven filed suit in spite of that.


And I actually thought I'd seen the lowest form of sub-human scum in the attorny-at-law 'racket,' but this almost takes the cake. Purely a license to steal and ruin lives.:rolleyes:

GutPunch
02-14-2011, 8:22 AM
Perhaps a better solution would be to setup an Article BB code tag which allows three sentences and automatically links to the source? I know how to do it with quotes but a lot of people don't.

Paul S
02-14-2011, 10:35 AM
And I actually thought I'd seen the lowest form of sub-human scum in the attorny-at-law 'racket,' but this almost takes the cake. Purely a license to steal and ruin lives.:rolleyes:

Well there are others...How about the attorneys who send clients into restrooms with tape measures? Handicapped urinal half an inch to high...sue 'em. Usually small businesses are the targets. The problem is endemic with our legal system as attorneys run the legislatures and regularly block tort reform. :(

furyous68
02-14-2011, 11:06 AM
Well there are others...How about the attorneys who send clients into restrooms with tape measures? Handicapped urinal half an inch to high...sue 'em. Usually small businesses are the targets. The problem is endemic with our legal system as attorneys run the legislatures and regularly block tort reform. :(

Thankfully, that scumbag duo of Molski & Frankovitch were shut down by the CA Supreme Court... those two shut down so many small businesses doing exactly what you described. Hit quite a few up here in Morro Bay.

BMartin1776
02-23-2011, 11:25 PM
My understanding is that a short snippet and a link is okay but full articles or photos has triggered protection racket-style lawsuits.

Personally I'd like to see all websites say 'no links, no nothing' and cut raffic to those site to nothing, as jdberger says, cripple them financially.

Unfortunately it's just not realistic, sometimes these papers will have news that needs to get out and in those cases we do it carefully and by the book.


You would think the papers would appreciate someone posting their article (as long as they source it) on other sites and blogs. I always quote an article post maybe the first paragraph and link to it then sometimes put my two cents under it...

gunsandrockets
04-11-2011, 7:39 PM
Righthaven is doomed. Dooomed. Dooooooomed!:D

http://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=righthaven+lost&um=1&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&ie=UTF-8&ncl=d8At1e8flFT9XqMfPtLZ6GB6ZF_jM&ei=DbqjTZ76FsaC0QHZzdSDCQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQqgIwAA

Don't worry, the link goes to a google search page, not a Righthaven copyrighted page.;)

JDay
04-11-2011, 11:41 PM
Righthaven is doomed. Dooomed. Dooooooomed!:D

http://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=righthaven+lost&um=1&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&ie=UTF-8&ncl=d8At1e8flFT9XqMfPtLZ6GB6ZF_jM&ei=DbqjTZ76FsaC0QHZzdSDCQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQqgIwAA

Don't worry, the link goes to a google search page, not a Righthaven copyrighted page.;)

They were doomed from the start, fair use and all.

383green
04-17-2011, 10:36 AM
Righthaven's confidential contract with the Las Vegas Review Journal has been revealed:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/17/0319255/Judge-Reveals-Secret-Righthaven-Copyright-Contract

CCWFacts
04-17-2011, 12:16 PM
Righthaven's confidential contract with the Las Vegas Review Journal has been revealed:

They are going to get their ***** handed to them. These newspapers thought they had a "free" extra revenue stream from copyright trolling but apparently there will be some blowback (http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/17/righthaven-copyright.html). Unbelievable that some newspapers would think it's a smart idea to stop people from discussing their articles. More discussion = more back links = more traffic = more ad revenue. More lawsuits = less traffic = less ad revenue, and could even come with an extra serving of having to pay the other guys' legal fees.

curtisfong
05-30-2011, 9:05 PM
Another amusing update

Denver judge stays all Righthaven cases in Colorado (http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/may/19/denver-judge-stays-all-righthaven-cases-colorado/)


“Righthaven very likely is neither the owner nor exclusive holder of any rights in the copyrighted work underlying this lawsuit. As such, Righthaven has suffered no injury or other cognizable harm required for it to have standing. Absent this very basic requirement of standing, there is no subject matter jurisdiction in this case, and this court must immediately dismiss the case,” attorneys for Wolf said in a filing this week.


Righthaven - scumbags.

I say post all you want. Bring it on. Get standing and counter sue them into oblivion.

CCWFacts
06-14-2011, 5:52 PM
More ownage: Judge says that Righthaven's suit is a sham (https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2011/06/14). Thank you EFF for defending our freedom! The EFF (http://www.eff.org/) is the digital rights equivalent of the NRA.

curtisfong
06-14-2011, 6:14 PM
I donate to the EFF every year for exactly this reason.

IMO, information == weapons.

Funtimes
06-24-2011, 10:28 AM
A federal judge ruled Monday that publishing an entire article without the rights holderís authorization was a fair use of the work, in yet another blow to newspaper copyright troll Righthaven.

Itís not often that republishing an entire work without permission is deemed fair use. Fair use is an infringement defense when the defendant reproduced a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, commentary, teaching and research. The defense is analyzed on a case-by-case basis.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/fair-use-defense/

Skidmark
06-24-2011, 6:12 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/fair-use-defense/

Such good news.

curtisfong
07-13-2011, 2:52 PM
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110712/15193515061/righthaven-accused-avoiding-paying-legal-fees-owed.shtml

Nail in the coffin. Righthaven is out of money; can't pay legal fees owed.

Librarian
07-13-2011, 2:59 PM
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110712/15193515061/righthaven-accused-avoiding-paying-legal-fees-owed.shtml

Nail in the coffin. Righthaven is out of money; can't pay legal fees owed.

Even a dead rattlesnake is dangerous, for a while.

Coded-Dude
07-13-2011, 3:01 PM
Even a dead rattlesnake is dangerous, for a while.

even if you killed it by cutting its head off?

wash
07-13-2011, 4:38 PM
Wow, I hadn't heard that this problem was being resolved so quickly.

That is great but it is still good etiquette to cut and paste a paragraph or two and link back to the original source.

rubdub
07-20-2011, 4:01 PM
They got shot down in court over Fair Use laws. Post away!

MasterYong
07-20-2011, 4:24 PM
They got shot down in court over Fair Use laws. Post away!

You own CalGuns.net?

...and here is was, waiting until Kes said it was OK. Silly me!

Librarian
07-20-2011, 4:41 PM
They got shot down in court over Fair Use laws. Post away!

No.

Until the entire group is behind bars (or dis-barred), the risk is still significant - and R*H* is not the only miscreant doing this.

williamlfilson
08-11-2011, 8:24 PM
a short snippet and a link is okay but full articles or photos has triggered protection racket-style lawsuits.

mikehaas
08-25-2011, 9:21 AM
The bad behavior of these pieces of mucus should not detract from the legitimate need for copyright/content protection (which protects calguns, my own AmmoGuide.com (http://ammoguide.com/) and the many websites, books, articless and other creations of the members here). None of us want to be ripped-off, financially, professionally or otherwise.

Just this week, someone from Colt Manufacturing asked for permission to use AmmoGuide cartridge graphics and ballistic comparison charts in their booth displays. I responded "you have my permission and thanks for asking". For me, that "thanks for the asking" part is important.

I'll admit I've switched positions on the issue in the past but AmmoGuide has allowed me to see the issue from the standpoint of the content developer. Despite what any judge says about it, I'm not comfortable posting entire articles and the like on other websites. My own take dictates a link to the original article and maybe the paragraph or 2 that I think best illustrates whatever topic is at hand. YMMV.

Common sense has to play a part. For example, the NRA logo (as well as all NRA images) is copyrighted and they COULD make a stink over any use of it by non-NRA personnel - even the many logos posted here. (NRA provides a "Members Mark" that members are authorized to use.) But they don't. (And they ARE protective about misuse of their copyrighted material - don't think they aren't!) More than most, NRA knows who the enemy is and carefully chooses what hills they choose to wage battle on.

Pont
09-08-2011, 6:28 PM
"It was a dumb idea": newspaper chain fires copyright troll Righthaven

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/09/it-was-a-dumb-idea-newspaper-chain-fires-copyright-troll-righthaven.ars

Librarian
09-08-2011, 7:06 PM
"It was a dumb idea": newspaper chain fires copyright troll Righthaven

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/09/it-was-a-dumb-idea-newspaper-chain-fires-copyright-troll-righthaven.ars

Until that company is a figurative corpse, beheaded, mouth filled with garlic and with a stake through its heart, and we're certain it did not somehow reproduce, we still do the very cautious snippet and link routine.

Doug L
10-12-2011, 11:50 AM
Dat's a wot of news outwets to wemembew not to qwote.

Couldn'ta said it better myself.

Does the Brady bunch have a forum we can join to post articles to?

Check it out and let us know, will ya.

curtisfong
10-27-2011, 3:19 PM
And another.

Is this sticky still relevant? I don't think so.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/oct/26/righthaven-ordered-pay-nearly-120000/

Librarian
10-28-2011, 12:29 AM
Since the consequences are expensive, my earlier comment still stands, I think:
Until that company is a figurative corpse, beheaded, mouth filled with garlic and with a stake through its heart, and we're certain it did not somehow reproduce, we still do the very cautious snippet and link routine.

Librarian
11-01-2011, 8:36 PM
News today:
US Marshals turned loose to collect $63,720.80 from Righthaven (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/us-marshals-turned-loose-to-collect-6372080-from-righthaven.ars) The US Marshal for the District of Nevada has just been authorized by a federal court to use "reasonable force" to seize $63,720.80 in cash and/or assets from the Las Vegas copyright troll after Righthaven failed to pay a court judgment from August 15.
:43:

candidviews
11-02-2011, 10:45 AM
http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/nov/01/marshals-ordered-seize-righthaven-assets/

jdberger
11-02-2011, 10:57 AM
News today:
US Marshals turned loose to collect $63,720.80 from Righthaven (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/us-marshals-turned-loose-to-collect-6372080-from-righthaven.ars)
:43:

That's friggin awesome!

CHS
11-02-2011, 2:24 PM
Came here to post the same. Damn you librarian!! :)