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J.D.Allen
02-09-2011, 7:41 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The article is from about a year ago, but it shows an increasing trend...

Bhobbs
02-09-2011, 7:44 AM
Wow. That's pretty intense.

Funny how the comments are all Americans.

bob7122
02-09-2011, 7:52 AM
but but but aren't guns severely policed in England, don't they have more gun control there. how the hell is this happening. o yea people are idiots if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will own them, even the police will start carrying guns in gang infested areas.

BlindRacer
02-09-2011, 7:58 AM
Makes me not want to visit places like this! Do away with lawful gun ownership, and you do away with tourists. I wonder, statistically, what the correlation is? I wouldn't be surprised if there were an indirect connection, because of the rise in violence.

safewaysecurity
02-09-2011, 8:05 AM
well to be fair when you create more laws against guns you have more laws being broken.

J.D.Allen
02-09-2011, 8:12 AM
Even more

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1034621/Revealed-The-truth-knife-crime--soared-35-cent-parts-Britain.html

Legasat
02-09-2011, 8:16 AM
Let me see if I understand this....

You take away all the guns from the law abiding citizens, and crime actually goes up???

Wow, who would have thought that? :p

jayboy74
02-09-2011, 8:21 AM
I like this quote from the article " U.S.-style gang culture has reached some parts of the UK "

fd15k
02-09-2011, 8:28 AM
What's the credibility of the dailymail though ? I heard it's being mocked by the left as "British equivalent of Fox News".

Vash357
02-09-2011, 8:29 AM
Armed: Officers engaged in routine policing are carrying sub-machine guns for the first time


And the picture that caption goes with is a guy holding a grenade launcher. Hilarious.

Glock22Fan
02-09-2011, 8:30 AM
When ordinary people aren't allowed to carry firearms, you end up, apparently, with fully automatic sub machine guns in the hands of cops on routine patrol.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/26/article-0-0048054D00000258-518_468x330.jpg
Armed: Officers engaged in routine policing are carrying sub-machine guns for the first time


That photograph should be sent to anyone and everyone who says that we should follow the British example.

And this is progress?

yellowfin
02-09-2011, 8:41 AM
How will the English Stockholm Syndrome last?

stix213
02-09-2011, 10:54 AM
I'd rather walk down the streets of Phoenix AZ with a sign on my back saying I have $20,000 cash in my pockets, than walk around London just normal by myself. At least in AZ I'd have at least a 380ACP in my pocket.

When the police have to resort to patrols with sub-machine guns, you can no longer pretend there isn't a policy problem. They aren't talking about their equivalent of SWAT here.

nick
02-09-2011, 11:00 AM
That's one worn out Mak in the ad there.

SickofSoCal
02-09-2011, 11:24 AM
Wow, fascinating article. Thanks for posting it.

I remember 1999 very clearly - it was a very bad year, what with Gray Davis and the AW ban and what had just happened in the UK. I remember the NRA did a film about it, and made all the predictions that of course have come true. It's hilarious that now even their biased media (which no doubt pushed for civilian disarmament in 1997, etc) can't ignore the obvious!

And, it will only get worse with time. But you know what? Tons of Brits in the (loosely-defined) "Freedom Movement" are against civilian firearms ownership! I know, I have chatted with many of them. Unreal.

Dreaded Claymore
02-09-2011, 11:30 AM
When ordinary people aren't allowed to carry firearms, you end up, apparently, with fully automatic sub machine guns in the hands of cops on routine patrol.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/26/article-0-0048054D00000258-518_468x330.jpg
Armed: Officers engaged in routine policing are carrying sub-machine guns for the first time

I see a grenade launcher and an assault rifle, but no submachine guns. :p

SickofSoCal
02-09-2011, 11:31 AM
The article fails to mention home invasions, which have probably increased by 1000% since 1998/99.

Off to do a Google search......

Wherryj
02-09-2011, 11:42 AM
What is it with the Brits and their love of guns?

;)

Wherryj
02-09-2011, 11:45 AM
I'd rather walk down the streets of Phoenix AZ with a sign on my back saying I have $20,000 cash in my pockets, than walk around London just normal by myself. At least in AZ I'd have at least a 380ACP in my pocket.

When the police have to resort to patrols with sub-machine guns, you can no longer pretend there isn't a policy problem. They aren't talking about their equivalent of SWAT here.

No kidding. Here in the "Wild West" our standard officers are armed mostly with "Standard Capacity" Glocks and a pump shotgun locked in the vehicle. Throw in the occasional AR and you still have less of a visible presence of firepower on the streets.

SickofSoCal
02-09-2011, 12:02 PM
When ordinary people aren't allowed to carry firearms, you end up, apparently, with fully automatic sub machine guns in the hands of cops on routine patrol.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/26/article-0-0048054D00000258-518_468x330.jpg
Armed: Officers engaged in routine policing are carrying sub-machine guns for the first time


That photograph should be sent to anyone and everyone who says that we should follow the British example.

And this is progress?

Good points.

When only the police are allowed to have guns, you have a Police State.

What the photograph vividly demonstrates is the transfer of a monopoly of firearms ownership - out of hands of the Citizenry, and into the hands of the State.

The best part is that guns become MORE visible once the citizenry has been disarmed. So, all you bleeding hearts out there beware, your children will see MORE guns if they are outlawed. And they will be fully-automatic.

The people of the U.K., ask yourself: before 1998 did gangs of citizens clad in black roam the streets with fully-automatic weapons? Well, did they?

J.D.Allen
02-09-2011, 12:14 PM
I'd rather walk down the streets of Phoenix AZ with a sign on my back saying I have $20,000 cash in my pockets, than walk around London just normal by myself.
Me too.

At least in AZ I'd have at least a 380ACP in my pocket.


I'd have a 9MM or a .45ACP on my hip...

ElvenSoul
02-09-2011, 12:35 PM
You guys forget the like billion they spent to take the guns away from law abidding citzens in England. Hope they got their moneys worth.

Legasat
02-09-2011, 12:40 PM
Good points.

When only the police (and bad guys) are allowed to have guns, you have a Police State.


Fixed it...

SickofSoCal
02-09-2011, 12:46 PM
You guys forget the like billion they spent to take the guns away from law abidding citzens in England. Hope they got their moneys worth.

The police unions have, I'm sure.

rips31
02-09-2011, 3:34 PM
who needs cops w/sub guns? you can have grandmas with purses. ;)

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/elderly-woman-attacks-robbers-with-purse-12866213

When ordinary people aren't allowed to carry firearms, you end up, apparently, with fully automatic sub machine guns in the hands of cops on routine patrol.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/26/article-0-0048054D00000258-518_468x330.jpg
Armed: Officers engaged in routine policing are carrying sub-machine guns for the first time


That photograph should be sent to anyone and everyone who says that we should follow the British example.

And this is progress?

Quser.619
02-09-2011, 6:31 PM
Was there a couple of years ago & on most large corners, they have large domes for the citizens to dispose of their knives, assaults, attacks, robberies & knife murders have risen every year since the gun ban as well.

TempleKnight
02-09-2011, 7:04 PM
How will the English Stockholm Syndrome last?

Until we have to bail them out AGAIN.

Tarn_Helm
02-09-2011, 7:18 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The article is from about a year ago, but it shows an increasing trend...

"Brilliant!" as they say over there.

SickofSoCal
02-09-2011, 8:57 PM
Until we have to bail them out AGAIN.

LOL! Awesome ^ ^ ^

kcbrown
02-09-2011, 9:31 PM
Until we have to bail them out AGAIN.

Let them fend for themselves this time around. They want a socialist paradise, so let them live with the consequences.

We'll be happy to welcome over here anyone over there who was opposed to all that BS from the beginning. The rest can rot in the cesspool of their own making.

Dreaded Claymore
02-09-2011, 9:52 PM
Let them fend for themselves this time around. They want a socialist paradise, so let them live with the consequences.

We'll be happy to welcome over here anyone over there who was opposed to all that BS from the beginning. The rest can rot in the cesspool of their own making.

Hopefully V will show up eventually and stab/shoot the bastards, and blow up Parliament.

ghostrider4evr
02-10-2011, 12:47 AM
What a mess it is over there.

Werewolf1021
02-10-2011, 1:00 AM
Saved for posterity and arguments. Love it when a plan comes together.:D:43:

CEDaytonaRydr
02-10-2011, 6:52 AM
It's not England's fault! 90% the guns being used for crimes are from the U.S., correct?

:rolleyes:

I can't wait until they jump on the Mexican bandwagon and start blaming us for their problems. You guys know that train is comin', right? ;)

Maestro Pistolero
02-10-2011, 8:23 AM
Lancashire suffered the single largest rise in gun crime, with recorded offences increasing from 50 in 1998/99 to 349 in 2007/08, an increase of 598 per cent.

traptrix
02-10-2011, 9:18 AM
That is why I prefer to live here. I grew up in London and came here in 1999, all of my British friends tell me that I did well to get out as it's just gone down hill since I left.
I'm happy not to live in a country where I can't own any firearms and where the most popular name for boys is Mohammed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html

I would never take my family back there to live.

Dreaded Claymore
02-10-2011, 12:40 PM
That is why I prefer to live here. I grew up in London and came here in 1999, all of my British friends tell me that I did well to get out as it's just gone down hill since I left.
I'm happy not to live in a country where I can't own any firearms and where the most popular name for boys is Mohammed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html

I would never take my family back there to live.

Doesn't seem like such a bad name to me, as long as the guys named Mohammed don't leer at me threateningly, can communicate with me, and aren't too shy to sit with me at the same lunch counter. All of which they do here. This country's fantastic.

J.D.Allen
02-10-2011, 1:05 PM
That is why I prefer to live here. I grew up in London and came here in 1999, all of my British friends tell me that I did well to get out as it's just gone down hill since I left.
I'm happy not to live in a country where I can't own any firearms and where the most popular name for boys is Mohammed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html

I would never take my family back there to live.

Well, welcome. We are pleased to have you. We hope you enjoy it here.

traptrix
02-10-2011, 3:02 PM
Doesn't seem like such a bad name to me, as long as the guys named Mohammed don't leer at me threateningly, can communicate with me, and aren't too shy to sit with me at the same lunch counter. All of which they do here. This country's fantastic.
It's more a reflection of how much the UK has changed in the last 11 years, than a reference to a single name. Crime is spiraling out of control and the demographics are changing rapidly too. I am not suggesting that people called Mohammed are responsible for the crime wave they are not, it's a load of idiots wearing hoodies.
The UK is a very different country to the one I left at the end of the 90s.

traptrix
02-10-2011, 3:03 PM
Well, welcome. We are pleased to have you. We hope you enjoy it here.
Thank you. I love it here.

Dreaded Claymore
02-11-2011, 6:12 PM
It's more a reflection of how much the UK has changed in the last 11 years, than a reference to a single name. Crime is spiraling out of control and the demographics are changing rapidly too. I am not suggesting that people called Mohammed are responsible for the crime wave they are not, it's a load of idiots wearing hoodies.
The UK is a very different country to the one I left at the end of the 90s.

That kinda sucks, and I feel for you. :(

LAWABIDINGCITIZEN
02-11-2011, 6:52 PM
If the Brady Bunch read this article they would come up with some statistic like:


"In The Fiefdom of West BuckingHamChesireNottingShire, illegal firearms ownership is down by 100%. See, the laws work!"



In actuality, they confiscated a firearm replica cigarette lighter from an antique shop and that's what gets counted as a success.

Glock22Fan
02-11-2011, 6:59 PM
Let them fend for themselves this time around. They want a socialist paradise, so let them live with the consequences.

We'll be happy to welcome over here anyone over there who was opposed to all that BS from the beginning. The rest can rot in the cesspool of their own making.

Most of us are already, I think, over here.

However, I do feel somewhat sorry for those who might have gone along with us, but were overwhelmed by the peer pressure. The last ten or twenty years I was over there, being a gun owner wasn't a comfortable situation when surrounded by city dwellers (the farming types always were much more accepting of firearms).

Do you know that Far Side cartoon where the buck has a target on his chest and his friend says "Bummer of a birthmark, Hal!" I had that on a t-shirt (bought over here) and got a lot of criticising wearing it over there from Brits who saw it as glorifying killing.

kcbrown
02-11-2011, 8:33 PM
Most of us are already, I think, over here.

However, I do feel somewhat sorry for those who might have gone along with us, but were overwhelmed by the peer pressure. The last ten or twenty years I was over there, being a gun owner wasn't a comfortable situation when surrounded by city dwellers (the farming types always were much more accepting of firearms).


It is precisely that mindset (of conforming for no reason other than "peer pressure") that results in the loss of freedom for all, and there is precious little distance between someone who will instantly conform to the demands of his peers and someone who will participate in the forced conformity of others.

Freedom means being able to be different if you choose, and those who would attempt to "strongly encourage" conformity tend to be the same people who have no respect for freedom.



Do you know that Far Side cartoon where the buck has a target on his chest and his friend says "Bummer of a birthmark, Hal!" I had that on a t-shirt (bought over here) and got a lot of criticising wearing it over there from Brits who saw it as glorifying killing.I don't doubt it. I'm not familiar with that specific cartoon but I laughed out loud when you described it. :)

Trench Broom
02-11-2011, 10:17 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/298864264_99d3c053d2.jpg