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eyes
02-08-2011, 5:49 PM
Hey all, I sighed up for this forum because I thought this would be the best place to get an answer to my question. I may be living in the bay area (Sunnyvale) for three months this summer. In Tennessee we have nice, easy gun laws. I don't know the details of CA's laws but I have a knee jerk fear of them. I enjoy target shooting with .22's and I would like to bring two out with me. Both are rifles. One is a CZ bolt action with a 5 round magazine. I kind of assume it's about as non-scary as guns get. The other is a Marlin 60 with the older 17 round tube magazine (an assault weapon according to NJ!). I will leave my pistols and center fire rifles at home. So my question is what are CA's laws regarding temporary residents and guns? Are their any local level laws that I would have to worry about? Can I bring ammo with me? Is it even practical to consider trying to find a rifle range in the bay area? I must admit I am spoiled by the very well run and very affordable range near Nashville.

I guess it's kind of sad that I feel I need to ask these questions about even a .22 rifle but I have been spoiled by living in states that have very liberal gun laws. When I last lived in CA I wasn't a gun owner so it was a non-issue.

Thanks!

SoCal Bob
02-08-2011, 7:00 PM
Hi, and welcome to Calguns. I believe you are good to go with the .22's. You didn't say if there are any children involved, if so, just make sure the kids can't get to them while you are here. As far as bringing ammo, no problem, Walmart is about the best place to find .22 if you need more while you are here. I am sure some of the locals will stop by soon with some range info for you.

den888
02-08-2011, 7:05 PM
Welcome to California and Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley) and to Calguns!

pdugan6
02-08-2011, 7:09 PM
IF you are in Sunnyvale there is a great range about 15-20 minutes away.
http://www.sunnyvalegunclub.com/

check their site for non member op hours.:cowboy:

eyes
02-08-2011, 7:17 PM
Hi, and welcome to Calguns. I believe you are good to go with the .22's. You didn't say if there are any children involved, if so, just make sure the kids can't get to them while you are here. As far as bringing ammo, no problem, Walmart is about the best place to find .22 if you need more while you are here. I am sure some of the locals will stop by soon with some range info for you.

Thanks! I forgot about storage laws. I have no kids but if needed by law I do have trigger locks. Do storage laws only apply when children are present?

SoCal Bob
02-08-2011, 7:29 PM
The "you're in big trouble if the kids play with it" law is the only one I am aware of and applies if you allow any children into your residence. No kids, no worries. I've not heard of Sunnyvale having any additional storage laws.

For transport, do you have an SUV or a car with a trunk and can be accessed by folding down the back seat? The trunk is considered a locked container if the trunk cannot be accessed by folding down the rear seats. If you do have fold down seats or an SUV then make sure your gun cases are either hard cases and lockable or soft cases that have a loop that allows you to lock or zip tie the zipper to the loop while transporting them to the range.

Now to be honest, I enjoyed a margarita with dinner so I am not sure this applies to long guns that aren't registered as AW's, but I have no fear that someone will be along momentarily to fix it if it doesn't.

eyes
02-08-2011, 7:36 PM
My car is a hatchback so technically I could get to the trunk from the interior. My soft cases don't lock. Does a trigger or cable lock work as an alternative during transport? Does the 17 round tub mag make the Marlin 60 an AW or is it grandfathered in?

SoCal Bob
02-08-2011, 7:46 PM
I am hoping that someone better versed on the laws steps in here but I think you could get away with poking a hole on the case near the zipper end so that you could thread in a zip tie through the hole and zipper making it such that the case can't be opened without cutting the tie. The luggage locks with the cable work well also and are reusable.

As to the Marlin 60, they are exempt from the magazine laws (I have two Glenfield model 60's.)

Here is a link to the AG's firearms site: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

12020 (c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity
magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity
to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to
include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so
that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.

Ammunition can be stored in the bag, BUT, you cannot have a loaded magazine in the magazine well and you cannot have a round in the chamber.

wilit
02-08-2011, 8:01 PM
With what you're planning on bringing in, you'll be ok. Just no magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. The Marlin is okay as tubefed .22's are exempt from the assault weapon law.

There are actually quite a few ranges here in the Bay Area. All of these are within a 45 minute drive of Sunnyvale.
http://www.sunnyvalegunclub.com/
http://www.chabotgunclub.com/
http://www.richmondrodandgun.com/
http://www.unitedsportsmen.com/
http://www.martinezgunclub.net/
http://www.lprg.org/
http://www.coyoteclays.com/
http://www.losaltosrodandgunclub.com/
http://www.targetmasterswest.com/
http://www.jacksonarms.com/

Heck, there's even a trap range INSIDE SAN FRANCISCO CITY LIMITS!!!
http://www.prgc.net/

eyes
02-08-2011, 8:09 PM
After looking at Bob's link it appears that you don't have to transport long guns in a locked case (non-AW long guns) so long as they are unloaded. In TN I don't bother with trigger locks when going to and from the range but I might play it safe just in case. Reading through some of the Cal laws... I just feel bad for you guys. Around here my complaint is I have to pay $10 for a TN background check instead of the free federal check and ammo prices are relatively cheap at any Walmart near by... including the ones that sell guns.
I guess it could be worse. My brother used to live in Illinois. I had to show proof that I didn't live in state so I could shoot with him at a range. If I were a resident I would have to have a FOID just to shoot someone else's gun at the range!

SoCal Bob
02-08-2011, 8:24 PM
Thanks, must have been the margarita. You are correct and I fixed the link to the AG site.

Here is what they have to say about locked containers.:

Traveling with Firearms in California
HANDGUNS

California Penal Code section 12025 does not prevent a citizen of the United States over 18 years of age who is not lawfully prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, from transporting by motor vehicle any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person provided the firearm is unloaded and stored in a locked container.

The term "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment. For more information, refer to California Penal Code Section 12026.1.
SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES

Nonconcealable firearms (rifles and shotguns) are not generally covered within the provisions of California Penal Code section 12025 and therefore are not required to be transported in a locked container. However, as with any firearm, nonconcealable firearms must be unloaded while they are being transported. A rifle or shotgun that is defined as an assault weapon pursuant to Penal Code 12276 or 12276.1 must be transported in accordance with Penal Code section 12026.1.
REGISTERED ASSAULT WEAPONS

California Penal Code section 12285(c)(7) requires that registered assault weapons may be transported only between specified locations and must be unloaded and in a locked container when transported.

The term "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment. For more information, refer to California Penal Code Section 12026.1.

zod
02-08-2011, 10:10 PM
Welcome back to Cali. Hope you enjoy your stay.

Big E
02-08-2011, 10:42 PM
Welcome to Calguns. See, all your questions answered in a day. Now that's service!

eyes
02-09-2011, 6:11 AM
Thanks a lot all! I'm looking forward to visiting some old favorites in the area (Alpine Inn).

DeanW66
02-16-2011, 7:22 AM
Welcome aboard and have a nice visit! I didn't see this one posted before but I may have missed it: A county-park shooting range. (http://www.santaclara-da.org/portal/site/parks/parksarticle?path=%2Fv7%2FParks%20and%20Recreation %2C%20Department%20of%20%28DEP%29%2FPark%20Activit ies%20Calendar%2FSports%20Facilities%2FShooting%20 Range&contentId=27e598ba77784010VgnVCM10000048dc4a92____&cpsextcurrchannel=1)

rod
02-16-2011, 8:46 AM
Welcome

eyes
06-05-2011, 1:42 PM
Hey all,
Thanks for the input a while back. I wanted to give an update. In the end, because I was uncertain about my housing before I headed out here I elected to leave my rifles safe and sound out east. I really enjoyed the drive out... even the part where I discovered that mountain passes aren't always open in May and that chains are sometimes required in I80 in May!

I'm going to miss shooting my CZ this summer. I was all ready to try a new scope... anyway, thanks for the help y'all!

bsg
06-05-2011, 5:17 PM
Hey all,
Thanks for the input a while back. I wanted to give an update. In the end, because I was uncertain about my housing before I headed out here I elected to leave my rifles safe and sound out east. I really enjoyed the drive out... even the part where I discovered that mountain passes aren't always open in May and that chains are sometimes required in I80 in May!

I'm going to miss shooting my CZ this summer. I was all ready to try a new scope... anyway, thanks for the help y'all!


welcome to california.

biloutkast
06-05-2011, 6:23 PM
Welcome aboard~!