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kyle0110
02-07-2011, 8:14 PM
I recently heard from a police officer that it was a felony to have an unregistered handgun while it is perfectly legal to have an unregistered rifle...
Does anyone know if this is true? Im finishing up an ar build and want to know if I need to register it..

emcon5
02-07-2011, 8:17 PM
No, it is not a Felony to have an unregistered handgun. The rest of the statement is correct.

Librarian
02-07-2011, 8:47 PM
See the wiki article on registration
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Firearms_registration

Helpful_Cub
02-07-2011, 9:06 PM
I recently heard from a police officer that it was a felony to have an unregistered handgun while it is perfectly legal to have an unregistered rifle...
Does anyone know if this is true? Im finishing up an ar build and want to know if I need to register it..

Unregistered handgun = misdemeanor
Unregistered concealed handgun = felony

Assault weapons in California must be registered. That's why we all use a bullet button on our AR-platforms or go feature-less, it makes them non-AW.

Long-guns in general do not need to registered in California.

MudCamper
02-07-2011, 10:07 PM
Unregistered handgun = misdemeanor

Incorrect. Unregistered handguns are perfectly legal. You need to read the link that Librarian posted.

Civilitant
02-07-2011, 10:18 PM
Unregistered handgun = misdemeanor
Unregistered concealed handgun = felony

Assault weapons in California must be registered. That's why we all use a bullet button on our AR-platforms or go feature-less, it makes them non-AW.

Long-guns in general do not need to registered in California.


welcome to fud

jtmkinsd
02-07-2011, 10:30 PM
Unregistered handgun = misdemeanor
Unregistered concealed handgun = felony

Assault weapons in California must be registered. That's why we all use a bullet button on our AR-platforms or go feature-less, it makes them non-AW.

Long-guns in general do not need to registered in California.

Please see the top sig line below.

Helpful_Cub
02-08-2011, 7:02 AM
Read the law, its all in there.

PC 12072
(2) (A) On or after January 1, 1998, within 60 days of bringing a
handgun into this state, a personal handgun importer shall do one of
the following:
(i) Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department
of Justice, a report prescribed by the department including
information concerning that individual and a description of the
firearm in question.
(ii) Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the
provisions of subdivision (d) or in accordance with the provisions of
an exemption from subdivision (d).
(iii) Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant
to Section 12071.
(iv) Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police
department.

(4) (A) It is the intent of the Legislature that a violation of
paragraph (2) or (3) shall not constitute a "continuing offense" and
the statute of limitations for commencing a prosecution for a
violation of paragraph (2) or (3) commences on the date that the
applicable grace period specified in paragraph (2) or (3) expires.

Once grace period is over, punishment can not follow.

(B) Paragraphs (2) and (3) shall not apply to a person who reports
his or her ownership of a handgun after the applicable grace period
specified in paragraph (2) or (3) expires if evidence of that
violation arises only as the result of the person submitting the
report described in paragraph (2) or (3).

So this one says you can report after 60-days without reprisal.

(3) If any of the following circumstances apply, a violation of
this section shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not
exceeding one year or in the state prison, or by a fine not to exceed
one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and
imprisonment.
(A) A violation of paragraph (2), (4), or (5) of subdivision (a).

So if they do decide to prosecute within the grace period then you can get 1 year in person and/or a fine.

CSACANNONEER
02-08-2011, 7:07 AM
There are plenty of legally owned unregistered handguns in this state . Please learn the law before giving advice. I own handguns that I bought before 1991, were transferred to me via my father prior to needing registration and even new rebuilt handguns witoit SNs. None of these require registration.

para38super
02-08-2011, 7:18 AM
Read the law, its all in there.

PC 12072
(2) (A) On or after January 1, 1998, within 60 days of bringing a
handgun into this state, a personal handgun importer shall do one of
the following:
(i) Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department
of Justice, a report prescribed by the department including
information concerning that individual and a description of the
firearm in question.
(ii) Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the
provisions of subdivision (d) or in accordance with the provisions of
an exemption from subdivision (d).
(iii) Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant
to Section 12071.
(iv) Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police
department.

(4) (A) It is the intent of the Legislature that a violation of
paragraph (2) or (3) shall not constitute a "continuing offense" and
the statute of limitations for commencing a prosecution for a
violation of paragraph (2) or (3) commences on the date that the
applicable grace period specified in paragraph (2) or (3) expires.

Once grace period is over, punishment can not follow.

(B) Paragraphs (2) and (3) shall not apply to a person who reports
his or her ownership of a handgun after the applicable grace period
specified in paragraph (2) or (3) expires if evidence of that
violation arises only as the result of the person submitting the
report described in paragraph (2) or (3).

So this one says you can report after 60-days without reprisal.

(3) If any of the following circumstances apply, a violation of
this section shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not
exceeding one year or in the state prison, or by a fine not to exceed
one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and
imprisonment.
(A) A violation of paragraph (2), (4), or (5) of subdivision (a).

So if they do decide to prosecute within the grace period then you can get 1 year in person and/or a fine.

What if you bought your gun before registration was needed?:43:
I think it was like in 1991(please correct me if I am wrong). Don't spread FUD please. This is how a rumors get around. Next thing you notice, everyone with unregistered guns are going to be turning them in...

rromeo
02-08-2011, 7:20 AM
Helpful cub is not so helpful after all.

M1A Rifleman
02-08-2011, 7:50 AM
I think this may be what Cub was thinking of - From DOJ Page:

Any person who commits the crime of carrying a loaded (not necessarily concealed) handgun on his/her person in a prohibited place may be guilty of a felony if the handgun is not on file (registered) in the Department of Justice’s Automated Firearms System. (Penal Code 12031.)

However, simple possession or target shooting with an unregistered HG is not illegal as was stated.

I can see that if you got sloppy going to or from the target range and left a loaded mag in the unregistered HG and were stopped in a school zone or other prohibited place may potentially invoke this section. Just a thought.

Wherryj
02-08-2011, 10:08 AM
No, it is not a Felony to have an unregistered handgun. The rest of the statement is correct.

It is potentially a felony to be caught illegally carrying an unregistered concealed weapon, while it will most likely be a misdemeanor if the same handgun is registered. Long guns do not currently require registration, and probably won't be used concealed anyway. Perhaps that is what he meant?

jtmkinsd
02-08-2011, 11:16 AM
He's quoting the law for new residents who have 60 days to register handguns when "importing" (moving into the state). The OP's question said nothing about moving into the state. It is NOT illegal to have an unregistered handgun in the state of CA UNLESS you are carrying said firearm concealed.

CSACANNONEER
02-08-2011, 12:34 PM
He's quoting the law for new residents who have 60 days to register handguns when "importing" (moving into the state). The OP's question said nothing about moving into the state. It is NOT illegal to have an unregistered handgun in the state of CA UNLESS you are carrying said firearm concealed.
AND IT'S NOT ON YOUR CCW!

I'm not sure if any county doesn't require all guns on ccws to be registered. But, it's possible that some don't. So, it might be possible to leagally ccw an unregistered handgun.:p

jtmkinsd
02-08-2011, 12:38 PM
AND IT'S NOT ON YOUR CCW!

I'm not sure if any county doesn't require all guns on ccws to be registered. But, it's possible that some don't. So, it might be possible to leagally ccw an unregistered handgun.:p

Yeah, not quite sure how that works...if you list a gun on your CCW is that information forwarded to the State and would therefore "register" the handgun?

CSACANNONEER
02-08-2011, 12:42 PM
Yeah, not quite sure how that works...if you list a gun on your CCW is that information forwarded to the State and would therefore "register" the handgun?

I don't know either. But, I don't think therre is any legal requirement for every firearm on a CCW to be registered. However, I do think it's standard policy for most issuing agencies to require it.

Anchors
02-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Oh, fud.
Will you ever go away?

I admit when I first moved here I had heard plenty of times back home "Having an unregistered handgun in Los Angeles is an automatic five years in prison!"

People in free states are actually MORE guilty of FUD because they don't need to read about laws for three months and become a paralegal to stay out of jail.
Everyone gun owner I've met back home (Except like 10) don't know anything about the laws (Fed/State).

Funny isn't it?