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Librarian
02-06-2011, 7:23 PM
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/did-the-national-rifle-association-buy-congress/?singlepage=true
Did the National Rifle Association Buy Congress?
Itís often said that the NRAís political influence stems from outspending gun control supporters. That's a myth.

ChicagoBusiness.com (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20110122/ISSUE01/301229980/the-joyce-foundation-the-anti-nra#axzz1Bodp3lHY) recently reported that the Joyce Foundation is the last bastion of philanthropy countering the National Rifle Associationís congressional influence, allegedly bought by political spending.

ptoguy2002
02-06-2011, 8:19 PM
Owned.

I like this bit:
“To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code…it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.”

The IRS says one of the “exempt purposes” of a 501(c)(3) is: “eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law….”[Emphasis added]

Since all the “gun violence” grantees are anti-rights, it appears that Joyce Foundation doesn’t defend your civil right of self-defense and discriminates against law-abiding gun owners. Instead, Joyce spends money on organizations attempting to influence legislation.

54 million sounds like a substantial amount to me.

AJAX22
02-06-2011, 8:35 PM
If you've ever read the joyce foundation's guide to submitting grant reports/proposals etc. it reads as a 'How to' guide for subverting funds illegally under the pretext of a 501c3 and using them for purpouses which cannot be reported.

seriously.

They know they are breaking the law, they just don't care.

hoffmang
02-06-2011, 8:36 PM
If you've ever read the joyce foundation's guide to submitting grant reports/proposals etc. it reads as a 'How to' guide for subverting funds illegally under the pretext of a 501c3 and using them for purpouses which cannot be reported.

seriously.

They know they are breaking the law, they just don't care.

Some animals are more equal than others...

-Gene

FS00008
02-06-2011, 8:42 PM
So uh... why has nobody reported them to the IRS? I can guarantee you that they're (the IRS that is) pissed off pitbulls going after anyone else...

AJAX22
02-06-2011, 8:42 PM
Some animals are more equal than others...

-Gene

Good thing for us, animals rank lower on the food chain than armed humans.

;)

GOEX FFF
02-06-2011, 8:43 PM
If you've ever read the joyce foundation's guide to submitting grant reports/proposals etc. it reads as a 'How to' guide for subverting funds illegally under the pretext of a 501c3 and using them for purpouses which cannot be reported.

seriously.

They know they are breaking the law, they just don't care.

Hopefully this story will bring that into light and backfire in the JF's face.
Maybe Dan Blackburn can investigate! :D

Werewolf1021
02-06-2011, 9:08 PM
Is there any legal way to challenge the Joyce Foundations 501(c)(3) in light of this? Or would it be a waste of time?

AJAX22
02-06-2011, 9:33 PM
Is there any legal way to challenge the Joyce Foundations 501(c)(3) in light of this? Or would it be a waste of time?

Here's the IRS form to squeal on them

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf

Go nuts...

Just do your research first... you'll have to illustrate that the way they have structured their 'grant proposal' is such that it encourages abuses.

and that they actively discourage accurate reporting of how the funds are being spent.


From what I can gather of the activities of the LCAV, they are also violating their 501c3 status on many levels.

All you would need to prove it would be a FOIA request for any and all correspondence between the LCAV (or their agent, representative, or officer) and public officials.

I can all but guarantee that they have been engaging in activities that would get their tax exempt status revoked.


....

I'll do some research tomorrow and post up a list of places you can look to obtain the info necessary to complete the IRS form.

ptoguy2002
02-06-2011, 11:25 PM
Hum..... This is a really good idea....
Here's the IRS form to squeal on them

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf

Go nuts...

Just do your research first... you'll have to illustrate that the way they have structured their 'grant proposal' is such that it encourages abuses.

and that they actively discourage accurate reporting of how the funds are being spent.


From what I can gather of the activities of the LCAV, they are also violating their 501c3 status on many levels.

All you would need to prove it would be a FOIA request for any and all correspondence between the LCAV (or their agent, representative, or officer) and public officials.

I can all but guarantee that they have been engaging in activities that would get their tax exempt status revoked.


....

I'll do some research tomorrow and post up a list of places you can look to obtain the info necessary to complete the IRS form.

ke6guj
02-06-2011, 11:48 PM
wouldn't be the first time that an anti-gun group got burned over mixing 501(c)3 and 501(c)4 activities, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=3378227#post3378227

press1280
02-07-2011, 4:41 AM
Here's the IRS form to squeal on them

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf

Go nuts...

Just do your research first... you'll have to illustrate that the way they have structured their 'grant proposal' is such that it encourages abuses.

and that they actively discourage accurate reporting of how the funds are being spent.


From what I can gather of the activities of the LCAV, they are also violating their 501c3 status on many levels.

All you would need to prove it would be a FOIA request for any and all correspondence between the LCAV (or their agent, representative, or officer) and public officials.

I can all but guarantee that they have been engaging in activities that would get their tax exempt status revoked.


....

I'll do some research tomorrow and post up a list of places you can look to obtain the info necessary to complete the IRS form.

Won't do any good. The powers that be in the IRS and Fed Government will protect these organizations tax exempt status. Just look at Jesse Jackson's group, never audited.

SanPedroShooter
02-07-2011, 4:57 AM
Won't do any good. The powers that be in the IRS and Fed Government will protect these organizations tax exempt status. Just look at Jesse Jackson's group, never audited.

That would be racist!

FS00008
02-07-2011, 6:37 AM
Here's the IRS form to squeal on them

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf

Go nuts...

Just do your research first... you'll have to illustrate that the way they have structured their 'grant proposal' is such that it encourages abuses.

and that they actively discourage accurate reporting of how the funds are being spent.


From what I can gather of the activities of the LCAV, they are also violating their 501c3 status on many levels.

All you would need to prove it would be a FOIA request for any and all correspondence between the LCAV (or their agent, representative, or officer) and public officials.

I can all but guarantee that they have been engaging in activities that would get their tax exempt status revoked.


....

I'll do some research tomorrow and post up a list of places you can look to obtain the info necessary to complete the IRS form.
Thank you Ajax, I've never done this before but am willing to do what it takes to get their tax exempt status yanked. For LCAV also.

FS00008
02-07-2011, 6:38 AM
Awesome, just looked at the form and you can submit it anonymously :-D

AJAX22
02-07-2011, 6:52 AM
Remember that this is the IRS guys,

Make sure you do your research, and carefully prepare the data/info...

Also it would be best if the people sending these in were not formally affiliated with a non profit or a corporate officer (remember.. you can run into backlash)


Employer Identification numbers can be found here
http://www.feinsearch.com/?gclid=CMGV6vSj9qYCFac65QodZjiABA

the Joyce Foundation is: 36-6079185



You can look up some of their financial data here:
http://activistcash.com/foundation.cfm/did/139

http://joyce-foundation.idilogic.aidpage.com/joyce-foundation/

But what you really need is a copy of their IRS form 990


some of their info is:


Name: Joyce Foundation
Address: 70 W MADISON ST STE 2750
CHICAGO, IL 60602-4344


IRS registered name: JOYCE FOUNDATION
IRS district of jurisdiction: Illinois
Federal EIN: 36-6079185
Ruling date: Aug 1, 1949
Classified by IRS as: Charitable Organization





The IRS may be VERY interested in them since they have well over 800 million in assets under management (as of 10 years ago)

AJAX22
02-07-2011, 6:54 AM
Here is one of the 'smoking gun' guideline pages:

http://www.joycefdn.org/content.cfm/advocacy-rules

Advocacy Rules

Lobbying and Advocacy Dos and Dont's for Grantees

The Joyce Foundation is committed to improving public policy through its grant program. Accordingly, the Foundation welcomes grant requests from organizations that engage in public policy advocacy. Federal tax law prohibits private foundations from funding lobbying activities. The Foundation may support organizations engaged in public policy advocacy by either providing general operating support or by funding educational advocacy such as nonpartisan research, technical assistance, or examinations of broad social issues. The Foundation offers the following guidelines to help grantees make sure that their applications, their activities, and their reports help the Foundation comply with federal tax laws.

For further information on the relevant federal tax laws, grant applicants should consult their tax advisors.

Grant Applications

If you are requesting project support and part of the project involves lobbying, you must explain that you have sufficient funding other than Joyce Foundation funding to cover the lobbying portion of the project. Specifically, you must provide the Foundation with an allocated budget, allocating expenses between lobbying and non-lobbying activities. The amount of the requested grant must not be more than the amount of the project budget allocated for non-lobbying. The Foundation must not earmark or direct the grant to be used for lobbying. The Foundation can rely on the allocated budget unless it has reason to doubt its reliability.

Grant Reports

After receiving a grant, you must report to the Foundation on an annual basis how you have used the Foundation's grant funds. If you provided a project support budget in the grant application, we expect reports to describe how you have accomplished the activities outlined in that budget and to see the supporting financial statements. Should your reported activities differ from those approved by the Foundation in making the grant, the Foundation may ask for additional information to ensure that those activities are consistent with Foundation's charitable purposes. If those activities involved lobbying or political intervention, the tax law requires that we seek correction of those expenditures.

A grantee with many different funding sources for one project may engage in lobbying as part of the project. We understand that it is easier for grantees to submit the same project report to all funders. Such a report will satisfy the Foundation's reporting requirements provided it is tailored to indicate that no Foundation funds were used to fund any lobbying activities described therein.

Similarly, if the Foundation provided general operating support, a description of all of the grantee's activities may be appropriate.

Grantee Activities

Lobbying includes advocacy for a legislative solution to an issue if a specific legislative proposal is involved, even if no legislation has been introduced.

If Joyce funds are being used, when talking to a legislator or legislative staff member, do not:

refer to a specific legislative proposal or specific legislation.
take a position on that legislation.
When talking to the media, do not:

refer to and take a position on referenda or ballot initiatives.
refer to specific legislation or take a position on that legislation.
When speaking in any public capacity, do not: issue a "call to action," which includes the following:

urge the listener to contact a legislator or staffer (e.g. "Tell Congress what you think," "Call your Representative");
provide the address or telephone number of a legislator;
identify a legislator as opposing the legislation, as being undecided, as being a member of the committee considering the legislation, or as being the recipient's representative. Identifying the sponsor of the legislation does not count as a call to action.
When talking to executive branch officials, do not:

refer to and take a position on legislation.
engage in communications the primary purpose of which is influencing legislation.
Whether Foundation funds are being used or not, do not engage in political campaigning and intervention, which is prohibited for public charities and private foundations. Do not:

explicitly link a policy issue to an election.
promote one candidate over another as better on a particular issue or issues.
urge people to vote on the basis of an issue that divides the parties, which suggests that the message is really about the election outcome and not about the issue.
Your activities may include the following advocacy activities, because they do not constitute lobbying:

contacting members of Congress about proposed executive or judicial action;
making available the results of nonpartisan analysis, study or research on a legislative issue that presents a sufficiently full and fair exposition of the pertinent facts to enable the audience to form an independent opinion;
discussing broad social, economic, and similar policy issues with no discussion of the merits of related legislative proposals or solutions.
For further information on the relevant federal tax laws, grant applicants should consult their tax advisors.

Jack L
02-07-2011, 7:01 AM
Send a copy of this to Bloomberg and all his staff. Flood Washington with it too.

The truth stings. Glad to see good writers lay it out.

AJAX22
02-07-2011, 7:02 AM
You can look up their current form 990 on here: (requires free registration)

http://www2.guidestar.org/

Theseus
02-07-2011, 7:18 AM
I don't think this is the smoking gun that you might think. It seems more of a suggestion of how to stay within the regulations and avoid issues. . . Now, if you could get obvious proof that one of their grantees are using them (funds) contrary to these regulations and no corrective action is taken (after reporting to Joyce), then you might be able to build a case. . . BUT IANAL, so maybe I am just talking out my keyboard.

Cali-Shooter
02-07-2011, 7:22 AM
You can look up their current form 990 on here: (requires free registration)

http://www2.guidestar.org/

Nice digging up. We gotta stick it to these lying freaks, once and for all. I think one reason so many Law firms love to push for gun control is because of the amount of money that can be made suing over gun violence entangled with gun laws.

AJAX22
02-07-2011, 7:47 AM
I don't think this is the smoking gun that you might think. It seems more of a suggestion of how to stay within the regulations and avoid issues. . . Now, if you could get obvious proof that one of their grantees are using them (funds) contrary to these regulations and no corrective action is taken (after reporting to Joyce), then you might be able to build a case. . . BUT IANAL, so maybe I am just talking out my keyboard.

While it may not overtly solicit for criminal behavior, it should be more than sufficient to provide grounds for a nice audit.

Don't think of it in the terms of a statement of wrongdoing, but rather as a suggestion that the reporting standards of the organizations they disperse cash to is not sufficient for their due diligence, and that they attempt to remain willfully ignorant in order to continue to both disperse funds and maintain their tax exempt status.

ptoguy2002
02-07-2011, 9:11 AM
Here is an easy one:
Joyce gave money to the "Gun Guys."
According to their website:
GunGuys.com is a completely independent and unaffiliated news website and blog that focuses on all aspects of the gun issue, including politics and analysis, policies and culture, shootings and violence, the gun lobby and gun industry, extremism and terrorism, advocacy and campaigns, rhetoric and messaging, as well as humor and satire.

Does anybody have any of those emails from Gun Guys?
Perhaps they say in there to call your local congressman and...

ptoguy2002
02-07-2011, 9:12 AM
Out of all of these, somewhere they probably slip:

Joyce Foundation Funded Groups

50 Caliber Terror Ban the 50 Cal rifles. Part of the FSA

Ban Handguns Now Anti-Handgun website ran by the VPC

CeaseFire New Jersey New Jersey based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA

Citizens for a Safer Minnesota Minnesota based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA

Come Together Auction FSA fundraising website

Freedom States Alliance (FSA) The FSA is a group of anti-gun websites created by a $650,000 grant from the Joyce Foundation.

Gun Guys Should be called the Anti-Gun Guys. Part of the FSA

Hoosiers Concerned About Gun Violence Indiana based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA

Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence Illinois based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA, received a $325,000 grant from Joyce in 2005 and $770,000 for 2 years in 2006

International Association of Chiefs of Police Grant given to expand membership of LEO's wanting to reduce gun violence

Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence Iowa based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA

Legal Community Against Violence Created to get a group of anti-gun lawyers together. They got a $400,000 grant for 2 years from Joyce in 2007.

License to Murder Anti-Stand-Your-Ground. Part of the FSA (Website gone, now redirects to FSA signup page)

Mayors Against Illegal Guns This is the group of anti-gun big city mayors, created by a $175,000 grant

New England Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence A group of New England based Anti-gun organizations, part of the FSA

New Yorkers Against Gun Violence New York based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA

Newspaper Loophole Trying to get newspapers to stop placing classified gun ads for private sales.

Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence Ohio based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA

Pax Pax created the ASK (Asking Saves Kids) campaign

Physicians for Social Responsibility Beware of anybody promoting "social responsibility"

Red Flag Campaign The Campaign by New England Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence to end all private sales of firearms. (Note, they say they just want background checks on private sales but you must be a licensed dealer to perform a background check)

StopGunDeaths.org A signup form to receive anti-gun newsletters in the mail, part of the FSA
The Joyce Foundation Gives out grants to people and groups to create biased/unsound reports or studies and gives grants to create anti-gun organizations who will inform the press and try to influence lawmakers claiming to be unbiased "experts".

Violence Policy Center (VPC) The VPC creates unscientific studies for media press release, received $700,000 from Joyce for just one year

Who is Mary Rosh Anti-John Lott site. Part of the FSA

Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort Educational Fund (WAVE) Wisconsin based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA, received a $250,000 grant from Joyce in 2005

jdberger
02-07-2011, 9:57 AM
Nice post, ptoguy2002.

Curtis
02-07-2011, 11:01 AM
I found the Joyce Foundation 990's online. 990 (http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Form990&EIN=366079185&Year=2011)

aidpage (http://joyce-foundation.idilogic.aidpage.com/joyce-foundation/) shows they are $753,141,000 in assets. Wow!

AJAX22
02-07-2011, 11:08 AM
The IRS prioritizes the cases they audit by the potential revenue recovered ;)

800 mill is a tasty bit morsel to tempt them

ptoguy2002
02-07-2011, 11:57 AM
Endorsing political candidates:

New York, NY – Three major gun violence prevention organizations today announced their endorsements in several New York State Assembly races. New Yorkers Against Gun Violence (NYAGV), GunFreeKids.org, and The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence along with its Million Mom March Chapters work together to help protect New Yorkers from the threat of gun violence and support candidates who support strong gun laws.

From here: http://www.gunguys.com/?p=3217
NYAGV gets Joyce money
Press release on their site: http://www.nyagv.org/press-current.htm

From: http://www.nyagv.org/faq.htm

What does NYAGV do?:

Lobby lawmakers in Washington, Albany, and on the local level, and rally members to influence lawmakers


ETA: But not knowing tax stuff, they are 501(c)(4), which means they can do political stuff :( I don't know tax stuff, what is the difference?


ETA2:
* 501(c)3s cannot in any way support or oppose anyone running for public office, though they may be involved in political campaigns by way of non-partisan public forums, voter registration drives, etc.
* 501(c)4s can engage in political campaign activity, so long as this is consistent with the organization’s purpose and is not the organization’s primary activity.

* Donations to 501(c)3s are deductible to the full extent of the law.
* Donations to 501(c)4s that are public entities (ie, state, local governments, volunteer fire stations) are deductible if they are used for public services. Donations to other 501(c)4s are not deductible.






Now back to work....

jdberger
02-07-2011, 12:25 PM
NYAGV is a 501(c)4. It takes in about $15K a year and pays it's Exec Dir. nothing.

They also have a division called New Yorkers Against Gun Violence Educational Fund, Inc. which is also a 501(c)3. It pulls in about $150K a year in revenue. Jackie Kuhls is the Executive Director for 2007. She made $46,815.

Maryellen Hilly took over in 2008 - and took a pay cut to make $44,160. However, in 2009 she received $51,840.