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Cali-Shooter
02-06-2011, 4:13 PM
Note: Mods, feel free to move this if appropriate for a different sub-forum.

This article is shocking in that it comes straight out of the heart of the anti-gun beast, SF.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/01/13/bloomberg1376-LEZ7AM0UQVI901-7QVO8KDJPRQTHMUJSDLJ6UEKO9.DTL

Snippets:

Gun controls like those being proposed may, on occasion, prevent horrific events like the Tucson shooting or at least reduce their harm, but in all likelihood only rarely. Avoiding a few such incidents is surely better than avoiding none, so these controls would make sense if they had no negatives of their own.

But gun controls, even mild ones, do have adverse consequences.


But mild controls don't always stay mild; more often, they evolve into strict limits on guns, bordering on outright prohibition. And this isn't just slippery-slope speculation; a century ago most countries had few gun controls, yet today many have virtual bans on private ownership. Some of these countries (the U.K. and Japan) have low violence rates that might seem to justify strict controls, yet others experience substantial or extreme violence (Brazil and Mexico).

More broadly, comparisons between states and countries --as well as social-science research -- provide no consistent support for the claim that gun controls lower violence.

Strict controls and prohibition, moreover, don't eliminate guns any more than drug prohibition stops drug trafficking and use. Prohibition might deter some potential gun owners, but mainly those who would own and use guns responsibly.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/01/13/bloomberg1376-LEZ7AM0UQVI901-7QVO8KDJPRQTHMUJSDLJ6UEKO9.DTL#ixzz1DEP0fkkR

thearmedrebel
02-06-2011, 4:29 PM
The author is an economist at Harvard and a Libertarian. (http://jeffreymiron.com/about/) His argument sounds a lot like the one I made with my coworkers after the shooting.

Still, a good read. Maybe the loons in San Francisco will read it. What am I saying, they can't read. If they could they'd read the FBI crime statistics that show people with guns are less likely to be victims.

Robert

daveinwoodland
02-06-2011, 4:30 PM
I'm still in shock, someone pinch me to be sure I am awake....WTH??? This can't be?

trashman
02-06-2011, 4:43 PM
Great editorial! I am baffled as to how this slipped by the editorial board at the Chron, though...

--Neill

Librarian
02-06-2011, 4:52 PM
1 certain Calgunner in the comments (jdberger) and I think 2 more.

nick
02-06-2011, 5:11 PM
Check out what I just saw outside my window:

http://www.bbsradio.com/userfiles/image/Image/When%20Pigs%20Fly/WhenPigsFly.jpg

Cali-Shooter
02-06-2011, 5:14 PM
Check out what I just saw outside my window:

http://www.bbsradio.com/userfiles/image/Image/When%20Pigs%20Fly/WhenPigsFly.jpg

You made my day with that captured Kodak moment, LOL!

N6ATF
02-06-2011, 5:52 PM
Woot.

Themandalorian
02-06-2011, 5:54 PM
Good article.

ALSystems
02-06-2011, 7:04 PM
Great editorial! I am baffled as to how this slipped by the editorial board at the Chron, though...

--Neill
Good article.

I'm shocked this was printed in the San Francisco Chronicle. :eek::shock::eek:

The editor must have been on out of the office. I just can't believe this was approved if the editor actually read it.

BigDogatPlay
02-06-2011, 7:10 PM
The age of miracles hasn't ended after all, the Chron is actually publishing divergent views that aren't the party line.

Bravo.

jpigeon
02-06-2011, 7:16 PM
Better late than never

Zimz
02-06-2011, 8:23 PM
Wow... very well written, and to exactly the audience we need! ... wow ...

Blackhawk556
02-06-2011, 8:27 PM
Was this really in the chron? Is this an April fools joke??

CCWFacts
02-06-2011, 8:33 PM
Some of these countries (the U.K. and Japan) have low violence rates that might seem to justify strict controls, yet others experience substantial or extreme violence (Brazil and Mexico).

International gun control law vs. crime stats comparisons tend to be absurd, distorted, or outright dishonest.

Japan: guns are uncommon, but hunting-type arms (shotguns) are not difficult to get. Street crime is almost non-existent. Organized crime (Yakuza) has access to guns and may be given a pass due to its interesting relationship with Japanese law enforcement.

UK: Violent crime in the UK is high and growing. It's out of control in some areas.

Brazil and Mexico: Mexico has only one legal gun shop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/28/AR2010122803644.html). Their strict gun control hasn't helped; the government has lost control of certain cities and areas.

But the better example is Jamaica, which is an island, and has had an absolute gun ban for decades, and is a total war zone, with the police unable to enter certain areas of town, due to machine gun toting gangs.

If gun laws made the difference, you would expect the island of Jamaica, which has stricter laws than Japan, to have lower crime rate than Japan. Anyone who believes that should probably not risk finding out in Jamaica.

Cali-Shooter
02-06-2011, 8:51 PM
International gun control law vs. crime stats comparisons tend to be absurd, distorted, or outright dishonest.

Japan: guns are uncommon, but hunting-type arms (shotguns) are not difficult to get. Street crime is almost non-existent. Organized crime (Yakuza) has access to guns and may be given a pass due to its interesting relationship with Japanese law enforcement.

UK: Violent crime in the UK is high and growing. It's out of control in some areas.

Brazil and Mexico: Mexico has only one legal gun shop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/28/AR2010122803644.html). Their strict gun control hasn't helped; the government has lost control of certain cities and areas.

But the better example is Jamaica, which is an island, and has had an absolute gun ban for decades, and is a total war zone, with the police unable to enter certain areas of town, due to machine gun toting gangs.

If gun laws made the difference, you would expect the island of Jamaica, which has stricter laws than Japan, to have lower crime rate than Japan. Anyone who believes that should probably not risk finding out in Jamaica.

How freaking sad with Mexico's ONE "legal" gun shop. I'd sooner die than have to go thru that happening here in the U.S.

quick draw mcgraw
02-06-2011, 8:59 PM
Hooray for common sense

taperxz
02-06-2011, 9:03 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=386026

Dupe

name change
02-06-2011, 9:04 PM
It's from The Chronicle with Bloomberg.

96232
02-06-2011, 9:22 PM
Good article

Philthy
02-06-2011, 9:23 PM
The article is a month old and...


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=386026 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=386026)

Edit: taperxz beat me to it.

tonelar
02-06-2011, 9:47 PM
awesome article

yellowfin
02-07-2011, 4:08 AM
How freaking sad with Mexico's ONE "legal" gun shop. I'd sooner die than have to go thru that happening here in the U.S.Those two events would probably not be far apart.

short circuit
02-07-2011, 8:29 AM
I never thought I see such a true article comming out of the San Francisco area. :)

jdberger
02-07-2011, 12:16 PM
It slipped by because it was in the Business section.

Wherryj
02-07-2011, 3:15 PM
How freaking sad with Mexico's ONE "legal" gun shop. I'd sooner die than have to go thru that happening here in the U.S.

I believe that this was the sentiment (about gun powder) that ignited the American Revolution. I doubt that it would happen here, at least not in our forseeable future. There are too many people who have had their 2A rights for too long to let it go so easily.

name change
02-12-2011, 10:02 AM
SF Gate took the article down.

Steyr_223
02-12-2011, 1:14 PM
SF Gate took the article down.

Yep. Where are we Iran? North Korea? Mubarak's Egypt?

Censorship!!!!

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Cali-Shooter
02-12-2011, 4:11 PM
Reminds me of Huffington Post, when your comments are conveniently "moderated" if they don't like your viewpoint, so their one-sided debates can continue unabated.

SFgate has proven itself an enemy of freedom. I wonder if they might give two ****s if a horde of people send them angry emails about their censorship of anti-gun control. Those tools of the Libtard sheeple idiots.