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shaggyax1
02-03-2011, 1:16 PM
I was reading this post about the antique gattling guns:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=283817&highlight=gattling&page=2

So, my question is are the replicas (of the original antique one's) that were made in the 1970's legal to own? Most say yes, then a few said no??? Also, if they are legal do you have to DROS them???

CHS
02-03-2011, 1:48 PM
They're firearms. You have to DROS them. They are legal, even if made yesterday.

It would be a federal felony to attach a motor to the crank, however.

Bhobbs
02-03-2011, 1:53 PM
They are not machine guns because you gave to crank them by hand. Attaching a motor to it is manufacturing a full auto.

BoxesOfLiberty
02-03-2011, 2:50 PM
For the same reason that the NanoCrank (http://www.nanocrank.com/NanoCrank/NanoCrank.html) is probably legal while spring mechanisms like the Hellfire/Hellstorm triggers are not.

CHS
02-03-2011, 3:29 PM
For the same reason that the NanoCrank (http://www.nanocrank.com/NanoCrank/NanoCrank.html) is probably legal while spring mechanisms like the Hellfire/Hellstorm triggers are not.

Neither are legal as they are all trigger activators under California law.

The difference between them and a gatling gun is that a gatling gun doesn't have a trigger to begin with.

Dutch3
02-03-2011, 6:58 PM
I think you mean "Gatling".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun

50BMGBOB
02-03-2011, 9:10 PM
Neither are legal as they are all trigger activators under California law.

The difference between them and a gatling gun is that a gatling gun doesn't have a trigger to begin with.

Actually it is that a Gatling gun is not a semi-automatic firearm. It does not use any part of the gases or recoil to eject and reload the next round. It takes the manual turning of the crank to do that. The ATF states that if you ad a motor it becomes a machine gun because the switch becomes the trigger but if you leave it hand powered, it is good to go.

CA law states in 12020 that:

"(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator" means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm."

Interesting thought, if you added a crank to a double action revolver...? The Grey area would be that the device if not attached to the revolver would be illegal in CA as the device doesn't have to be attached to the firearm to be illegal.

shaggyax1
02-04-2011, 7:37 AM
Thanks for the info!

rero360
02-04-2011, 11:12 AM
I always thought it would be cool to make a Gatling gun chambered in something modern like .308, a hand cranked version of the Dillon Aero, that would be sweet.

schnellfeuer300
02-04-2011, 11:33 AM
Wait, so the 10/22 Gatling gun kit (http://www.cabelas.com/10-22-accessories-gatling-gun-kit.shtml) would be California-legal?

I have a bunch of .22 short ammo that I would love to dispose of in this fashion. :D

schnellfeuer300
02-04-2011, 11:35 AM
Wait, so the 10/22 Gatling gun kit (http://www.cabelas.com/10-22-accessories-gatling-gun-kit.shtml) would be California-legal?

I have a bunch of .22 short ammo that I would love to dispose of in this fashion. :D

Doh! Never mind...10/22 is semi-auto.

I knew there was a reason I couldn't have nice things.

CHS
02-04-2011, 1:36 PM
I always thought it would be cool to make a Gatling gun chambered in something modern like .308, a hand cranked version of the Dillon Aero, that would be sweet.

I like the idea of one in .357 mag, since it would be so easy to scale down from the standard .45-70 ones, give you some good power, and still be pretty inexpensive to shoot. Plus I just really love .357 mag :)

Doh! Never mind...10/22 is semi-auto.

I knew there was a reason I couldn't have nice things.

What does that have to do with anything?

Grumpyoldretiredcop
02-04-2011, 4:44 PM
You mean like this (http://members.cox.net/mfgguru/_357_cal_Gatling/_357_cal_gatling.html)? Me, too. He only has plans for the .22LR version, darn it.

chiz
02-04-2011, 6:23 PM
Wait, so the 10/22 Gatling gun kit (http://www.cabelas.com/10-22-accessories-gatling-gun-kit.shtml) would be California-legal?

I have a bunch of .22 short ammo that I would love to dispose of in this fashion. :D

Doh! Never mind...10/22 is semi-auto.

I knew there was a reason I couldn't have nice things.

The only reason I could think that it would be illegal is because it fires 4 rounds with every turn of the crank. You would have to modify the lobes on the cam so it would only fire 1 shot from each gun with every turn.

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50BMGBOB
02-04-2011, 7:32 PM
Wait, so the 10/22 Gatling gun kit (http://www.cabelas.com/10-22-accessories-gatling-gun-kit.shtml) would be California-legal?

I have a bunch of .22 short ammo that I would love to dispose of in this fashion. :D

Doh! Never mind...10/22 is semi-auto.

I knew there was a reason I couldn't have nice things.

Yes, that isn't legal in CA because it uses a semi-auto. That would be a multi-burst trigger activator.

50BMGBOB
02-04-2011, 7:37 PM
The only reason I could think that it would be illegal is because it fires 4 rounds with every turn of the crank. You would have to modify the lobes on the cam so it would only fire 1 shot from each gun with every turn.


I wouldn't try it even with only one lobe. A true Gatling gun is OK but a crank on a semi-auto is a no-go in CA. On a side note, CA is one of three states that doesn't allow multi-burst trigger activators.

Cobrafreak
02-04-2011, 7:52 PM
I want a gatling gun chambered in .950 JDJ. That would be sweet! Lol!

JaMail
02-04-2011, 7:56 PM
i always come back to this one.

if i had the cash i would buy it, but 11k is a bit steep for me.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=214261575

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/214261000/214261575/pix475901189.jpg

gazzavc
02-04-2011, 8:06 PM
Try connecting it to a stationary bicycle !!

Get your excersize while shooting up a storm !!

77bawls
02-04-2011, 8:24 PM
Try connecting it to a stationary bicycle !!

Get your excersize while shooting up a storm !!

That's kinda what I was wondering. What if it had a heavy flywheel that you got up to speed. Would it be considered a trigger if it had a way to engage and disengage?

ALSystems
02-04-2011, 8:36 PM
I was reading this post about the antique gattling guns:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=283817&highlight=gattling&page=2

So, my question is are the replicas (of the original antique one's) that were made in the 1970's legal to own? Most say yes, then a few said no??? Also, if they are legal do you have to DROS them???
If you want an original, they cost about $250,000.
U.S. Armament makes a superb reproduction of the Model 1877 Bulldog "Gatling Gun" for a mere $36,500 in 45-70 :83:
(www.usarmamentcorp.com)

five.five-six
02-04-2011, 8:44 PM
I always thought it would be cool to make a Gatling gun chambered in something modern like .308, a hand cranked version of the Dillon Aero, that would be sweet.

ehh, 7.62X51 or 5.45X39 would be more better on the wallet