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Danz la Nuit
02-02-2011, 10:47 PM
In response to this post,

UOC in urban areas does nothing positive for gun rights and should only be used as a last resort when you feel you are in danger. Use LUCC as an alternative that is not limited by GFSZ laws.

can someone point me in a direction with more information on this or fill me in? :)

I didn't want to derail the other thread.

Librarian
02-02-2011, 10:58 PM
Lots of UOC threads.

Summary of technical issues:

1) there are many schools in urban areas; avoiding gun-free school zones is difficult.
2) open carry in GFSZ is prohibited; legal transport is unloaded locked case - Locked Unloaded Concealed Carry (LUCC) should avoid that problem.

Danz la Nuit
02-02-2011, 11:25 PM
Lots of UOC threads.

Summary of technical issues:

1) there are many schools in urban areas; avoiding gun-free school zones is difficult.
2) open carry in GFSZ is prohibited; legal transport is unloaded locked case - Locked Unloaded Concealed Carry (LUCC) should avoid that problem.

So, if a firearm is in a locked container, unloaded, & concealed it's legal in a "gun free school zone"?

Librarian
02-02-2011, 11:34 PM
So, if a firearm is in a locked container, unloaded, & concealed it's legal in a "gun free school zone"?

It meets the exemption in 626.9. See the wiki article http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Gun_Free_School_Zones

Lots of other things to read at the Wiki...

wash
02-02-2011, 11:38 PM
Yes, 100% legal, no e-checks either.

The only things it doesn't do is get your face on the evening news or get you kicked out of California Pizza Kitchen.

By the way, those last two are what is responsible for the new bill in the legislature that will probably outlaw UOC and for the bill that almost outlawed UOC last year.

GrizzlyGuy
02-03-2011, 6:27 AM
So, if a firearm is in a locked container, unloaded, & concealed it's legal in a "gun free school zone"?

Maybe. LUCC is exempted from 626.9 (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/626.9.html) and the federal GFSZ law (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Gun_Free_School_Zones#Law), but LUCC itself isn't always legal, no matter where you are. See here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=4246589&postcount=12), here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=4187731#post4187731) and here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=4199822&postcount=13) for more info.

IGOTDIRT4U
02-03-2011, 7:22 AM
DTOMSD, please try the FAQS at the top of the forum page(s) and also a search. I see you like to have us do "search" for you on many threads. This and the myriad of other subjects you have started posts on are easily enough found on "search". I typed in "LUCC" and got 3 pages of related material. No offense intended, but it really does not seem like you even tried to find the info before starting a new thread.

taperxz
02-03-2011, 8:17 AM
Maybe. LUCC is exempted from 626.9 (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/626.9.html) and the federal GFSZ law (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Gun_Free_School_Zones#Law), but LUCC itself isn't always legal, no matter where you are. See here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=4246589&postcount=12), here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=4764884&postcount=44) and here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=4199822&postcount=13) for more info.

After checking your sources and analogies I found that Bikes and horses fall under the motor vehicle codes. Both bicycles and horses must follow the same rules of the road as cars. Thus, locked concealed carry on a bike or horse would be legal.

Reductio
02-03-2011, 8:32 AM
After checking your sources and analogies I found that Bikes and horses fall under the motor vehicle codes. Both bicycles and horses must follow the same rules of the road as cars. Thus, locked concealed carry on a bike or horse would be legal.

This is actually quite interesting... tagging.

shy 7th
02-03-2011, 9:48 AM
We really need a California Carry Flowchart.

AlexDD
02-03-2011, 12:10 PM
No firearms, by default no LUCC, in any public buildings without CCW like libraries, community centers, City Hall, etc ... See Penal Code 171-b if I recall correctly.

Ps No 4" fixed blades as well as other stuff either...

AlexDD
02-03-2011, 12:11 PM
No ammo on school grounds either... Code is in the wiki.

Librarian
02-03-2011, 12:16 PM
Ps No 4" fixed blades as well as other stuff either...

No PC support for this, though there are local issues.

See http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2289918&postcount=6

AlexDD
02-03-2011, 1:42 PM
No PC support for this, though there are local issues.

See http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2289918&postcount=6

Glanced through your post. Very informative.

But as Penal Code 171b, am I reading it wrong or misunderstanding?


"* (3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the
blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded
position by the use of one or two hands."

Librarian
02-03-2011, 2:03 PM
Glanced through your post. Very informative.

But as Penal Code 171b, am I reading it wrong or misunderstanding?


"* (3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the
blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded
position by the use of one or two hands."

Ah, you're right.

That's not a general prohibition, though it covers a lot of ground171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
but I see the post is incomplete - thanks! I edited that post to include 171b.

GrizzlyGuy
02-03-2011, 7:14 PM
After checking your sources and analogies I found that Bikes and horses fall under the motor vehicle codes. Both bicycles and horses must follow the same rules of the road as cars. Thus, locked concealed carry on a bike or horse would be legal.

They do have to follow the vehicle codes, but they aren't a "motor vehicle". That is the term used in 12026.1 (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12026.1.html):

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked container.


Therefore, the 12026.1 exemptions don't apply to bicycles, horses, skateboards, skis, grocery carts, etc. since they aren't motorized.

AlexDD
02-03-2011, 7:40 PM
^ So a motorized skateboard, electric bike, ....?

ChuangTzu
07-09-2011, 6:59 PM
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I was also wondering if anyone knows the definition of "motor vehicle" as used in 12026.1...

CitaDeL
07-09-2011, 7:02 PM
oh damn... I just replied to a necro post...

NM

ChuangTzu
07-09-2011, 8:36 PM
I thought it would be better to keep the answer contained in this thread since it was originally asked here, but I just realized that it was kind of off-topic to begin with. :blush5: