View Full Version : After action report

09-01-2006, 6:32 PM
When Marines finish a deployment they ask for input from all that deployed.

This is used to fix any problems and streamline the mission and make sure things come out in favor of our side.

I think last night was a victory for CA gun owners and the guy putting up
AB352 really tried hard to get his law passed and we beat him and teh others who voted for it. Now for the bad part. I made a few mistakes last night and I think they are worth noting.

1. relied on members here and the NRA to tell me what to do and I forgot to tell the people I was talking to that I also opposed AB2714 and I dont know why. I had the AB352 thing in my head and didnt catch my mistake until I hung up. If I wasnt reminded I choked,

I think giving the NRA a sticky to update and not post on would have helped me out some.

2. There was a link to all of the reps but I didnt get the link until later that night and when I called Im not sure I made any difference. Do they already have an idea who will vote which way? Not sure but Id like to sweet talk th egal who answered the phone for my rep and see if we can make way, or it that Eds job only?

I think a list of how the guys will vote and which ones neede pushing was one of the best tools we had and Id like to thank Mike for posting that.

3. I was unsure if we were supposed to even call the guys not from out district or if they even care or not.

If not I have no problem cheating, I just need a zipcode to get an address for. (like my Drill Instructor said, If your not cheating, your not trying.:)

Semper Fi

09-01-2006, 6:39 PM
I don't really play fair when it comes to phoning the reps like last night Heck I googled their phone # and found out what district they represent and made like I'm from that area.

I'm sure the anti's would do that So I do also. Or even if they dint if it gets my point across any better or faster I'm for it.

09-01-2006, 8:46 PM
Make sure you block your caller ID before calliing into another district.

(BTW if you are calling an 800#, your # will not be blocked from ANI services as the party paying for the call has the right to the calling number data. Thus if you have an 800# but must 'be like you're from somewhere else', find the equivalent toll number instead and pay for the call yourself.)

Oh - if you're a phone tech with access to a corporate PBX switch setup/configration, you may well be able to configure the caller ID to be anything you want: "be all that you can be" :), which should work thru 800#s.

09-01-2006, 9:13 PM
i have to say we kicked their collective butts in the final hours. it shows. alot of bills were defeated before they left the house of origin. so we have shown them that we mean business. we have done a great thing but we must keep the pressure on them when the return. we know the antics of this legislature will never end. we must not get complacent.

good work everyone

09-01-2006, 11:37 PM
Or, you could call from a cellphone. I happen to have a 760 area code on mine, and live in 858. My girlfriend still has her 417 area code, and has no intention of changing it now that she's here. :)

Someone on a cellphone, could be anywhere...

09-02-2006, 6:32 AM
When I was speaking with the gal who was taking calls in my area she said it was crazy today, I asked here if she was getting alot of calls on AB352 and she said no they were calling on a gambling casino deal and went on to say the calls were automated and it was killing her.;)

Im not sure how that works but she said it was bull what they were telling folks and she thought it was dirty politics. To get on her good side I said "Yea, you might as well put me down for against whatever the guys with big $$ have to say and played the part of a "we have to stick together type guy"

Anyhow, it would be great getting some feed back from teh NRA on what they thought worked and how we might be able to help in the future.

09-04-2006, 10:10 PM
BTW - I can tell you that when NRA makes a specific list, those are usually either the fence sitters or the folks being targeted by HCI or the like.

Ed and Paul have promised that they will get Mike to give you the info that is most efficient use of all of our time.

09-04-2006, 11:25 PM
I kept seeing reports that bullet serialization had been amended into 352, but I couldn't see it. I swapped email with the NSSF rep Larry Keane, and he graciously pointed it out to me. It's in the Senate amendments (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0351-0400/ab_352_bill_20060619_amended_sen.html) of June 16: (7) Commencing January 1, 2009, for all semiautomatic pistols that
are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it
is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters
that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol,
etched into or otherwise imprinted onto
the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and
which are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the
firearm is fired , and further provided that a technology to
create the imprint, if reliant upon a patent, is available to more
than one manufacturer. A method of equal or greater reliability and
effectiveness in identifying ammunition fired from a firearm than
that which is set forth in this paragraph, via an imprint on a
cartridge may also be approved by the Attorney General and thereafter
required as otherwise set forth by this paragraph. Approval by the
Attorney General shall include notice of that fact via regulations
adopted by the Attorney General for purposes of implementing that
method for purposes of this section .I read that too fast; I had thought the context was allowing other companies to provide the marking technology. It might mean only another means of the individual firearm marking the cartridge - but it might also allow marking ammunition at some other point, and requiring all those pistols and revolvers without the marking technology to use the marked ammunition.

An especially tricky people, those legislators.

09-05-2006, 4:41 AM
"A method of equal or greater reliability and
effectiveness in identifying ammunition fired from a firearm than
that which is set forth in this paragraph, via an imprint on a
cartridge may also be approved by the Attorney General and thereafter
required as otherwise set forth by this paragraph."

Darn, there it is right in the open. I too looked for this as it was posted somewhere and I mentioned it on other posts I made.

Who says those innocent legislators don't know what they are doing? This is the Senate version, the reason it had to go back to the Assembly for a concurrence vote. Koretz or even Mr. LeSeur didn't mentioned this aspect, I was listening to the audio feed.

It appears the Senate was giving permission, or authorizing the Attorney General to make administrative law regarding serialization of cartridges and reloading components? A big chunk there.

I'd say more deceptive than tricky. Not quite outright liars as the question was never asked. Really disturbing now that I see it in print. I wonder why they felt the need not to use the term "serialization"? Maybe they are thinking we wouldn't understand it so they needed to define it for us?

Naw, I think the Senate did not want their name attached to such insidious legislation. Best to put the onus on the Attorney General and the Department of Justice. Yeah, thats it, make them be the bad guys.

So the Legislature and the Judiciary are working together. Bet it encompasses more issue than firearms.

Pretty slick.