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10TH AMENDMENT
09-01-2006, 4:08 PM
Is a Norinco MAK-91 National Match rifle a California legal off list rifle?

M. Sage
09-01-2006, 4:18 PM
Searched up the "by name" ban, I don't see it on there.

If it lacks detachable mag w/evil features, it should be golden. Unless there's another list I didn't find (entirely possible.) Of course, I can't find the "DOJ Reciever List" or whatever you want to call it.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.htm

There's my source.

Edit:

Hmm. It lists "Norinco Mak-90", and "Norinco NHM 90, 90-2, 91 Sport" here.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf

Now I'm not so sure.

Creeping Incrementalism
09-01-2006, 10:25 PM
Considering how the DOJ was on the Wilson Combat vs. Wilson Tactical thing, I can say with almost 100% certainty that they will not allow it.

bwiese
09-01-2006, 11:26 PM
10TH...


Is this a California legal off list rifle?
It is a Norinco MAK-91 National Match rifle.


There is no make/model correspondence on the list to a MAK-91. There are no minor tweaks ("The....", "..., Inc."). A MAK-91 is distinctly different than a MAK-90.

Thus the Norinco MAK-91 is unlisted and you should go buy it. <bseg> :)

But I would use care in cases where, say, "Blaster Corp. Model 99X" is listed, and you are wondering about "Blaster Corp. Model 99X National Match". The latter text might risk being regarded not as defining a separate model but being separate text, so I'd stay away from such.

The situations above are much different than a couple of other cases:

- DPMS Panther (all) .... to me, bans all DPMS w/Panther markings. It may not quite meet Harrott level of specificity but it ain't worth the fight (especially for DPMS!)

- Eagle AR10 by Armalite.... Eagle's a division of Armalite, same address/FFL. Model number is the same too, and is regarded as an Armalite AR10.

- Rock River Arms LAR15.... Whoever did the Kasler list in 2000 confused configuration variation names with model names and banned nonexistent guns. Your quality skilled government workers at work (and you wonder why we don't want gov't in healthcare??) The RRA LAR15 is not listed and RRA Standard A2 Carbine, etc. is - the latter are configuration descriptions not models. Go get an RRA LAR15.

Considering how the DOJ was on the Wilson Combat vs. Wilson Tactical thing, I can say with almost 100% certainty that they will not allow it.

They were at first, but they got their behinds handed to them. Two different people, two separate staffs, two different addresses/facilities, two distinct corporations, two different manufacturing FFLs. Wilson Tactical receivers are now in CA and several vendors have sold them. You can thank Ben (artherd) for that...

tankerman
09-02-2006, 5:01 AM
National Match Mac91? Please let me know when the Mac 91 "national match" is coming up I would like to attend. Does it involve shooting from moving vehicles? Is it held in the city?;)

M. Sage
09-02-2006, 8:55 AM
National Match Mac91? Please let me know when the Mac 91 "national match" is coming up I would like to attend. Does it involve shooting from moving vehicles? Is it held in the city?;)

Hahah, I think that's the National Mac-10/11 and Tek-9 match.

ALTSEC972
09-02-2006, 3:32 PM
Considering how the DOJ was on the Wilson Combat vs. Wilson Tactical thing, I can say with almost 100% certainty that they will not allow it.

I haven't been around here in a lil while.... so please help, what was the wilson combat/ wilson tactical thing?

They are 2 completely different companies from my understanding, and while they may be related, the ownership is completely different...... Right???

I have a WT "off-list receiver"... did something happen to change all of this for them?

OOOOps..... BWIESE answered my question..... didn't even see it in there on 1st pass

bwiese
09-03-2006, 9:47 AM
Thanks Bill.

Hey, anything I can do to get more good guns into CA, legally.

I am, however, trying to suppress laughter at an AK-based design being termed with the "National Match" moniker.

That's kinda like "Ruger Mini-14 sniper rifle"..... or a Lorcin/Bryco Tactical .380

<bseg> :)

Creeping Incrementalism
09-03-2006, 6:02 PM
They were at first, but they got their behinds handed to them. Two different people, two separate staffs, two different addresses/facilities, two distinct corporations, two different manufacturing FFLs. Wilson Tactical receivers are now in CA and several vendors have sold them. You can thank Ben (artherd) for that...

Oh, I hadn't heard that. But I still think the DOJ wouldn't allow this if they found out about it. But if they do... cool!

railroader
09-03-2006, 9:35 PM
They list a mak NHM 91 sport on page 5.. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf#search=%22norinco%20mak%2091%22
Mark

bwiese
09-03-2006, 9:37 PM
They list a mak 91 sport on page 5.. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf#search=%22norinco%20mak%2091%22
Mark

INCORRECT. They do NOT list such a thing.

They do list a Norinco NHM 91 Sport, as well as a Norinco MAK 90 and some other names.

All are distinct from the item at hand, the unlisted Norinco MAK 91.

Creeping Incrementalism
09-03-2006, 9:53 PM
Creeping Incrementalism:

Is that actually you wearing the patented tin foil high-rise Chef's hat in your avatar???

No, that's a Nigerian 419 scammer named Mike Robertson. And actually, I think you have the best avatar on this website. :D http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room67.htm

http://www.419eater.com/images/trophy_room/mike_robertson.jpg

CalNRA
09-04-2006, 9:25 PM
the OLL issue aside, wouldn't the Norinco be federally banned unless it was made and imported before the ban was initiated?

artherd
09-05-2006, 8:45 PM
Norninco MAK-91 does not appear to be listed: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/aw.htm (please note this is the complete CPC 12276(a)-(c)&(e) list, look in my sig. The easy links on DOJ's site are only a PARTIAL LIST, generally cpc12276(a)-(c) only.)

Here is the relivant section:


Norinco MAK 90
Norinco NHM 90, 90-2, 91 Sport
Norinco RPK Rifle

There is concern in my mind that "Nornico NHM 91 Sport" could be equated to the reciever stampings in your picture. The deciding factor would technically be the "make/model" as entered into your FFL's bound book.

Does "Nornico NHM 91 Sport" equal "Nornico National Match MAK-91" ?? Dangerously close, however I say no. (unless it appears as "Nornico NHM 91 Sport" on the manufactuar/importer's bound book!!!)

Considering how the DOJ was on the Wilson Combat vs. Wilson Tactical thing, I can say with almost 100% certainty that they will not allow it.
Eventually, they will figure out they do not have the authority to dis-allow the sale of an unlisted reciever.

http://cdglobal.net/gun/WT15-legal-DISTRIBUTE-SMALL.jpg