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2336USMC
02-01-2011, 8:30 AM
Help folks, having trouble understanding the regs...

From California Firearms Laws 2007:

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf

"Carrying Unregistered Loaded Handguns
Any person who commits the crime of carrying a concealed handgun and ammunition for that
handgun on his/her person or in his/her vehicle may be subject to a felony enhancement if the
handgun is not on file (registered) in the Department of Justice’s Automated Firearms System.
(Penal Code 12025.)"

This has me baffled. I understand the DROS process, and I also understand the "personal handgun importer" process that took effect on Jan 1 1998. However, I can't find anything after reading the regs until my eyes are crossed that requires a longtime CA resident to register a handgun that has been possessed since way back when. Yet, it appears that said longtime resident with said longtime owned handgun can be subject to enhanced felony charges for something, say inadvertently forgetting to lock the gun case while transporting, because of failure to comply... with what? Can someone point me to the law that was broken if the person has owned a handgun since say 1950 that does not appear in the Department of Justice’s Automated Firearms System?

Dr Rockso
02-01-2011, 8:34 AM
No law is broken simply by not having the handgun registered, but it's a more serious crime if you conceal that unregistered handgun versus one that is registered.

Once you stop expecting the law to make sense it's easier to understand.

wash
02-01-2011, 8:37 AM
Registration is not required but guns can be registered voluntarily.

I would just make sure you lock up your case...

2336USMC
02-01-2011, 8:48 AM
Once you stop expecting the law to make sense it's easier to understand.

Perversely, that makes perfect sense.

timdps
02-01-2011, 9:32 AM
The practical application is: If you are going to carry without a CCW, make sure you are carrying a registered handgun.

That said, I suspect that the law is challengable, perhaps when shall issue becomes the norm in CA.

Tim

Wherryj
02-01-2011, 9:57 AM
No law is broken simply by not having the handgun registered, but it's a more serious crime if you conceal that unregistered handgun versus one that is registered.

Once you stop expecting the law to make sense it's easier to understand.

I disagree. Once you stop expecting the law to make sense it is easier to interpret. I still have just as much difficulty "understanding" these laws, however.

I otherwise agree with your statements. Concealed carry of a registered firearm should be a misdemeanor (assuming you are otherwise "clean"), but concealed carry of an unregistered firearm will most likely bump the charges to a felony-meaning loss of gun rights.

GrizzlyGuy
02-01-2011, 10:54 AM
If you want to register one of your older guns, see Voluntary Registration here (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Firearms_Registration#Voluntary_Registration). Note that the gun must be registered to you (and not your wife, friend, whatever) to avoid the enhanced penalties for violating 12025 (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12025.html) and/or 12031 (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12031.html).

RickD427
02-01-2011, 10:51 PM
No law is broken simply by not having the handgun registered, but it's a more serious crime if you conceal that unregistered handgun versus one that is registered.

Once you stop expecting the law to make sense it's easier to understand.

Dr. Rockso hit the nail right on the head....................

jtmkinsd
02-01-2011, 11:01 PM
The practical application is: If you are going to carry without a CCW, make sure you are carrying a registered handgun.

That said, I suspect that the law is challengable, perhaps when shall issue becomes the norm in CA.

Tim

:twoweeks:

pitchbaby
02-01-2011, 11:03 PM
:twoweeks:

I wish!