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MARK1
08-27-2006, 1:35 PM
What do you guys think of this scope?:confused:
http://www.mountsplus.com/miva/merchant.mvc?store_code=MSP&screen=PROD&product_code=SPO-MK3-NR6

It's called - S.P.O.T. - Red Dot Sporting Sight / Mark III - 6MOA
Is this similar to the cheapos imitaion ones from ebay?:eek:

What does the 1MOA, 2MOA, 4MOA, 6MOA,... represent?

Thanks for you input...

blkA4alb
08-27-2006, 2:04 PM
Well its exactily that, cheap. And you would be supporting the companies that make their money by copying another company's design. A MOA is 1" at 100 yards.

Buy cheap, buy twice.

DJMAN
08-27-2006, 2:14 PM
I have two, got them on ebay. Paid 65.00 for each. Cheap ? yes. No problems yet. i have one mounted on a beo .50 and it works great. Mine do say aimpoint on them. Guy at the range who has an aimpoint on his could not tell them apart. China copies everything out there. Im sure at one time everyone on this site has bought something that said MADE IN CHINA on it. (You could have paid more but you got that one) M.I.C

redrover
08-27-2006, 2:46 PM
I too have a cheapo ebay "sunclear" reddot. I haven't seen any problems yet. I've dropped it couple times and it's seen rain...so far no problems. Accuracy is just as good as the real one. The only thing I didn't like was the "aimpoint" logo. I ended up spraying it flat black, so it looks generic now.

fal_762x51
08-27-2006, 6:37 PM
I have that one too, but I got it for less. Muhahaha!!! Anyway, it's mounted on my PC4 and I have not had a problem with it. About 500 rounds with it so far, but who knows.

docsmileyface
08-27-2006, 7:04 PM
The difference between the clonepoint and a real aimpoint is not really too much for a casual shooter; the M2 has a few settings that seems invisible to the naked eye for use with night vision and has a few more brighter settings (10 settings in total), the clonepoint has 5 settings but doesn't get as bright as a real aimpoint but will definetly do the job if your on a budget, I have one on my Walther G22 but I've also used it on my AR and it worked just as well as my real aimpoint.

Then you'll have the guys who throw in how the clonepoints are commie rip-offs, then again real aimpoints are made in a socialist country :p

xenophobe
08-27-2006, 7:50 PM
The rip off aimpoints have parallax issues, where the aimpoint has none. Which means, anytime you shift your eye from the direct centerline of the scope, your point of impact will wander. So forget about any kind of accuracy unless you can keep your cheekweld 100% of the time.

oaklander
08-27-2006, 9:13 PM
See:

http://cgi.ebay.com/King-Arms-7L-Red-Dot-Scope-w-Off-Set-QD-Ring-Mount-01_W0QQitemZ270022393836QQihZ017QQcategoryZ71083QQ tcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I have something similar on my XM177 clone. I've never had a problem with mine - it holds zero. I co-witness (i.e., look at the same time) the front sight, so I don't seem to have any cheek weld issues.

If you put one on your gun, make the lids flip DOWN, that way, you can get to all the knobs when the lids are open.

The MOA thing is confusing - but it refers to "minute of angle" - or "minute of arc." It's easy to remember if you remember that "minute = inch" at 100 yards. So a gun that shoots MOA shoots 1 inch groups at 100 yards (and 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards). A 10 MOA read dot sight has a dot that would completely cover something 10 inches at 100 yards. Which is good for quick target acquisition, but bad if you want to shoot something far away or aim at something small.

p.s. that spot looks alot like the king arms I found at ebay for 1/3 the price.

:D

morepoop4u
08-27-2006, 10:13 PM
I co-witness with the front sight post too so there's no problem. Also you are probably going to have to loctite the nut that holds it to the rail. I went to the range today and didn't have a problem with it. I bought mine from here http://cgi.ebay.com/Aimpoint-RDS-Scope-reddot-replica-with-KAC-mount_W0QQitemZ290022267780QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6682 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He's a dealer on ar15.com and he has a lot of good feed back on this clone.

Guns R Tools
08-27-2006, 11:39 PM
One guy at the AR15 forum did the some serious testing with SPOT. It came out prettty good for $165 clone. I bought mine based on that review.

Takes one CR2032 lithium battery (button cell). Flimsy cover but looks decent.
It is supposed come with lifetime warratnty. You should contact the seller for details. Mine came with small jar of Rosin as well.

It does lack some propriety technology that eliminate parallex but it didn't matter much for me. I got it for fast target acqusition and close up shooting and cool factor.

It was my first red dot and I like it.

I didn't shoot much yet, about 80 rds of 50AE. The tube slipped from the mount so I applied more rosin and tightend up some more with blue loctite. Haven't shot since. It should be fine for .223 flatform.

If you want to accuracy beyond 100yards, then you should get smallest MOA possible like EO tech, which has 1 MOA center dot or regular scope.

MARK1
08-28-2006, 2:24 PM
Thank you for all of your input.

oaklander
08-28-2006, 3:39 PM
Yes morepoo4u - that's exactly the one I got.

No problems with it.

I use cheapo hearing aid batteries in it (I think they are LR41s or something like that). Got several dozen on ebay for a super reasonable price.

Locktite is good!

That being said - if I could affort the SPOT - I would just spend about $30 more and get the Russian PK-AS.

http://posp.ru/pks01.html

Now *that's* one cool scope!

glockk9mm
09-01-2006, 7:30 PM
How do the cheepo's group? I would like to get one, I can't afford a real one right now and i want an optic fast.

6172crew
09-01-2006, 8:23 PM
I have 2 cheaper ones, the BSA 30 I think and another one from CDNN, I like the Aimpoint myself and will probably sell the cheaper ones. They work but the BSA has a 6 or 8 moa dot and its a little big, the other one Ive never even messed with after buying the Aimpoint.

akjunkie
09-01-2006, 9:49 PM
Better copy of the SPOT.. Burris Xtreme Speed Dot.

my buddy has one mounted on a Fn Fal in 308... 100rds with No lost of Zero.


http://www.riflescopes.com/departments/630/rifle_scopes/burris_rifle_scopes/burris_xtreme_tactical_speeddot_sights.htm

bwiese
09-01-2006, 10:05 PM
You're better off buying a used, battered-looking older-generation Aimpoint and having it possibly refurbed (unlikely it's necessary) than getting one of those cheap "Red Dot" sights.

As Xeno said, the cheap clones don't do their optics right and have parallax issues. With an Aimpoint reasonably far out (i.e, not up close to eye like a regular scope) there is no parallax variation regardless of head position & eye alignment: if the red dot is on the target, that spot gets hit (not accounting for bullet drop, of course).

grammaton76
09-01-2006, 11:43 PM
That being said - if I could affort the SPOT - I would just spend about $30 more and get the Russian PK-AS.

http://posp.ru/pks01.html

Now *that's* one cool scope!

Provided his Weaver POSP 4-8x42's end up selling quickly, I think Wes will be placing another POSP order soon. The PK-AS might end up on the order list... :)

wilit
09-02-2006, 9:40 AM
Is there an inexpensive red dot out there that doesn't have a parallax issue? I bought a Simmons 42mm not realizing how incredibly annoying the issue would be. I'm looking for something under $200 if possible.

gose
09-02-2006, 3:05 PM
I'll never buy anything else than Aimpoint when it comes to red dot sights for two simple reasons:

1. Aimpoint is the best
2. Its made in Sweden

:D

oaklander
09-02-2006, 4:31 PM
Bushnell makes a pretty neat looking red-dot:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=859535

k

glockk9mm
09-02-2006, 4:45 PM
Bushnell makes a pretty neat looking red-dot:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=859535

k


It looks pretty cool. Is there anyone on this forum with it?

glockk9mm
09-05-2006, 5:38 PM
Does anyone know about leatherwood products? Are they any good? Bushmaster sells some scopes of theres and also some red dots.

Sig226
09-06-2006, 3:49 PM
I bought the SPOT after some time and thought. Also, after reading about a donated SPOT that was abused, bashed, frozen, wet, and then bashed again on Ar15.com. (Save it...) I don't have the link, however I'm *sure* it's archived.

Anyhow, the SPOT doesn't seem to have the problems with parallax I've seen with the burris/tascos/etc.

I have used the SPOT on my AR, and have tried it on the Mini14. Lets say, I thought to highly of it to keep on the stock mini-14.

YMMV

ETA: The included mount is also VERY good for a knock-off mount. I didn't replace it, and I haven't lost zero on any of my trips out..

FreshTapCoke
09-06-2006, 7:05 PM
I have one of the metal body aimpoint knock-offs from ebay. (~$70) It is decently made other than the metal burr that broke off and lodged itself into my thumb when I was putting in the batteries.

I don't have any parallax issues with mine. I was able to do a one hole 5 shot group with my AR at 50 yards. 100 yard grouping was not that great because the dot was too large for the target.


I've never used a red-dot before so I bought it to see if I liked the concept before plunking down money for a real one. I'll probably sell it though when I can pick up an EoTech or Bushnell's cheaper (non water resistant) rebadge.