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1911Luvr
01-26-2011, 9:09 PM
Just saw Sons of Guns on DiscoveryHD where they mounted a Saiga 12 gauge to an M-4 for use as a door breecher. Rather interesting, but sad to see them cut up a perfectly good Saiga 12 that before long we won't be able to get here. In any case, what caught my attention is the guy paying $1500 for a 37mm flare launcher attached to an old A2 style rifle and calling it a grenade launcher. Admittedly I've never priced 37mm launchers, but that seems excessively steep. Am I wrong?

vintagearms
01-26-2011, 9:11 PM
I was thinking it may have included the rifle, if not it was too $$$.

Fattracker
01-26-2011, 9:16 PM
Glad to see a show like that. I will be watching closely.

ir0nclash86
01-26-2011, 9:18 PM
Did you see the episode before this one? They made a supressor for a Saiga 12. That was pretty awesome.

NewbieDave
01-26-2011, 9:21 PM
Even with the rifle... it was too much money. IIRC, the lower looks to be a slab-side and the upper was a standard A2. If it was a original Colt slab-side AR15.... maybe it'll be worth the money.


~dpc

cmace22
01-27-2011, 6:38 AM
Looked like the SWAT team pulled double duty as the fire dept, police dept I think I saw a judge and I know I saw a cook at the local Hardies......

Bhobbs
01-27-2011, 6:41 AM
The show is pretty good. Hopefully it stays around.

Bo0tyBandit
01-27-2011, 6:45 AM
It's better than TopSnot.

-hanko
01-27-2011, 6:50 AM
It's better than TopSnot.
Top Shot is below the level of American Chopper, imo.;)

-hankok

hammerhands32
01-27-2011, 6:58 AM
http://www.knightarmco.com/m203_12ga.html $3000.00 for just the shotgun was the price I found

I watched the show. Made it seem as though the guy invented the idea. Other than that interesting to see some of the manufacturing aspects.

PolishMike
01-27-2011, 7:16 AM
They make everything seem groundbreaking on the show. They claim they are the first to do everything when they are clearly not.

That "grenade launcher" may have been an LMT. They go for $$$

coltn46920
01-27-2011, 7:22 AM
They make everything seem groundbreaking on the show. They claim they are the first to do everything when they are clearly not.

That "grenade launcher" may have been an LMT. They go for $$$

x2 Everything is clearly been done before/thought out.

loosewreck
01-27-2011, 7:40 AM
http://www.knightarmco.com/m203_12ga.html $3000.00 for just the shotgun was the price I found

I watched the show. Made it seem as though the guy invented the idea. Other than that interesting to see some of the manufacturing aspects.

Serious, like no one's ever watched the first Predetor :D.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj265/Recluse76/500px-PredatorMossberg500-5.jpg

TMC
01-27-2011, 7:43 AM
perfectly good Saiga 12

Isn't that and oxymoron?

Deadon
01-27-2011, 7:45 AM
Either way its nice to see guns on TV. I liked the part where he said "lets go do a hours paperwork now" That lets people know how tough it can be in some states to get a gun.
I hope it improves over time.

edmeister
01-27-2011, 7:53 AM
here is your "Master key" for sale: http://www.knightarmco.com/m203_12ga.html

dieselpower
01-27-2011, 7:57 AM
Just more ammo for the anti-gun idiots. I hope the show fails.

Dynamic
01-27-2011, 7:59 AM
For the Master key as " Never been done before " I am sure he ment Never been done before to make a mount for a Saiga 12 , not Master Key in General.

tomd1584
01-27-2011, 8:39 AM
Just saw Sons of Guns on DiscoveryHD where they mounted a Saiga 12 gauge to an M-4 for use as a door breecher. Rather interesting, but sad to see them cut up a perfectly good Saiga 12 that before long we won't be able to get here. In any case, what caught my attention is the guy paying $1500 for a 37mm flare launcher attached to an old A2 style rifle and calling it a grenade launcher. Admittedly I've never priced 37mm launchers, but that seems excessively steep. Am I wrong?


You mean like this one you can get for $299? Yea, $1500 is a little excessive if its just for shooting flares.

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/37mm-12-launcher-havoc-p-132.html

Airrixd
01-27-2011, 9:28 AM
I saw that last night. Cool stuff in that shop. Some not Kali friendly I assume

till44
01-27-2011, 9:33 AM
I like the idea of the show but they way the shop is presented bothers me. Check out their website, their stuff is extremely over priced.

And the tag line of the show, "One of the finest shops in America." Really? Nothing they have done has been truly inventive or ingenius, and the hardware they're using hardly has a reputation as fine gear.

But in his defense I have heard that he does great AK work and that the AR platform is somewhat outside his expertise.

Markus
01-27-2011, 2:50 PM
The main thought that I took away from that show was yup can have/own/do that in california... The whole inventing the masterkey thing was a bit overplayed however i dont think ive seen anybody do it with a semi-auto shotgun which does help a lot I imagine.

jasonnorcal
01-27-2011, 3:00 PM
Either way its nice to see guns on TV. I liked the part where he said "lets go do a hours paperwork now" That lets people know how tough it can be in some states to get a gun.
I hope it improves over time.

it's an hr for the suppressor. u can walk out in 10 mins with the firearm itself

ke6guj
01-27-2011, 4:31 PM
Either way its nice to see guns on TV. I liked the part where he said "lets go do a hours paperwork now" That lets people know how tough it can be in some states to get a gun.
I hope it improves over time.

an hour's woth of paperwork, and then 2-3 months for ATF to approve it.

They did touch on that with the S-12 breachers, saying that he would have them finished by the time the paperwork was approved by ATF.

NYY
01-27-2011, 4:50 PM
http://www.knightarmco.com/m203_12ga.html $3000.00 for just the shotgun was the price I found

I watched the show. Made it seem as though the guy invented the idea. Other than that interesting to see some of the manufacturing aspects.

true about how he thought he invented it. Pretty good show. The daughter is kinda weird and is always surprised and unhappy. The cannon was pretty cool

chuck762
01-27-2011, 5:15 PM
Just more ammo for the anti-gun idiots. I hope the show fails.

Anything with guns in it no matter how it is used or portrayed is more ammo for the anti gunners to them. News flash, they don't like guns, period. Do you think a hunting show with bambi being shot is any better an image for guns? How about a nice 3 gun match where the anti gunners will say that is training for combat or some other goofy reason.

Even if they had a 2 hour show getting showing how long it takes to get the approval paper work for a suppressor or other NFA item anti gunners will still say gun owners shouldn't have it.

If we base every firearms show on what the anti gunners will think about it and if it makes gun owners look bad then well, there would be no shooting shows at all.

Just like top shot or some of the other stuff out there they make it seem more dramatic than it really is for ratings.

Fattracker
01-27-2011, 5:23 PM
Serious, like no one's ever watched the first Predetor :D.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj265/Recluse76/500px-PredatorMossberg500-5.jpg

LOL! :D

Bigtwin
01-27-2011, 5:28 PM
Top Shot is below the level of American Chopper, imo.;)

-hankok

Have not seen Topshot or Sons of guns, but to put Topshot "below" American crapper....must be real bad!:D

jtzshooters
01-27-2011, 5:30 PM
http://www.knightarmco.com/m203_12ga.html $3000.00 for just the shotgun was the price I found

I watched the show. Made it seem as though the guy invented the idea. Other than that interesting to see some of the manufacturing aspects.You expected something cheaper from the makers of the $500 + triple tap brake ?

Digital_Hate
01-27-2011, 7:13 PM
why does everyone on Discovery have to be wanna be tough guys

stillnotbob
01-27-2011, 9:02 PM
This "master key" is better; M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Modular_Accessory_Shotgun_System

G60
01-27-2011, 10:11 PM
why does everyone on Discovery have to be wanna be tough guys

you got a problem with lumpy michael keaton?
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Sons-Of-Guns-Discovery-Channel.jpg
http://img.listal.com/image/7057/600full-michael-keaton.jpg

uzigalil
01-27-2011, 10:20 PM
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/edgefall2001/index.html

this is from 2001

Army
01-28-2011, 8:16 AM
**posted this on another forum**

I was wondering why the LEO's needed that special breaching gun (which has been around for many decades now in one form or other BTW), when a simple tactic change would solve their "problem".

Breacher blows the locks/hinges. Now, instead of pausing to transition to a handgun or rifle....he gets out of the way and lets the the stack go through! By the time the last man goes by, the breacher could have transitioned to a Howitzer and followed the stack in.

Or; breacher loads the two or three breaching rounds last, with standard buck on top. Blow the locks, and roll in as #1 with at least 6 rounds of buck at the ready.

Or; breacher blows the locks, steps aside to allow the stack to roll in, then remains outside as security.

...but i guess that wouldn't make good TV.

Toast
01-28-2011, 10:31 AM
Maybe their SWAT team is small and they don't have an extra man to be a dedicated breacher?

SGTKane
01-28-2011, 10:39 AM
Army thats how we did it in Baqubah. And we did it with three man stacks (of course the rooms over there are small, more like hallways that what we think of as rooms). Breacher breeched, transitioned and became the last man covering the rear.

shadowofnight
01-28-2011, 10:49 AM
Maybe their SWAT team is small and they don't have an extra man to be a dedicated breacher?

Did you see the sheriff team in the show ? They were all about 5'4" and 250 pounds, sloppiest group of uniformed men I have seen in a long long time.

Even though he does act like he is inventing everything for the first time ever, the show is ok and I will continue to watch it. And while the daughter has a little trailer park feel to her, after seeing her reaction to shooting the grenade launcher ...I bet she is a trooper in the sack :p

caldivers
01-28-2011, 11:48 AM
you know what guys, i dont understand why there are so many uptight people on this forum. Who really cares about the details of this show. I'm just glad there are more shows popping up about firearms and red blooded Americans like the one in this show. They could have just as well made another gay pride,Bridal, man bashing, bake a cake, drama filled teenie bobber show. So with my little 2 cents added LOL.. I will watch this show just in hopes that I will see some cool kick butt guns that we here in Cali can't have. More power to the Coon-*** red necks. ( I say that with pride cuz I lived down there for many years and loved every minute of it.)

caldivers
01-28-2011, 11:53 AM
Maybe their SWAT team is small and they don't have an extra man to be a dedicated breacher?

...and yes, most of there Teams are very small and they dont get paid very well at all. I saluit them and give them credit for working with what they have, witch aint much.