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FatKatMatt
08-24-2006, 10:12 PM
I'm going to be buying my first rifle pretty soon, I already have the rifle I want in mind but Im not sure about the cartridge. I've narrowed it down to either a .338 Win Mag or .308 Winchester, I've shot similar rounds (.30-06 and .338 Rem Ultra Mag), I can handle the recoil on both of them pretty well but i'd like to get some opinions before i make any commitments. Thank you to anyone who responds.

kurac
08-24-2006, 10:15 PM
What is your intended application?

FatKatMatt
08-24-2006, 10:23 PM
I intend to hunt mule deer here in california and possibly elk in the future. I only have enough cash for one gun so i want something versatile.

Pthfndr
08-24-2006, 10:33 PM
I intend to hunt mule deer here in california and possibly elk in the future. I only have enough cash for one gun so i want something versatile.

30-06. It's about as versatile as it gets. Loads available (more so if you handload) for everything from varmints to elk and bear.

But if you're limiting your choices to the 338WM or .308, go with the .308.

Especially if it's your first rifle to own.

Matt C
08-25-2006, 12:36 AM
Ammo is a lot cheaper for the .308, and it has about the same power as the 30.06 in a short action. That would be my choice.

50BMGBOB
08-25-2006, 1:45 AM
+1 on 308. Cheaper= more practice. Good all round hunting round. Wide selection of ammo cheap through match as well as hunting stuff.

ivanimal
08-25-2006, 8:04 AM
I would not buy either as my first rifle caliber. I would go with a 300 Win Mag. For elk it is good medicine. I have also hunted deer and Hogs with mine. 308 is a fine cartridge, 338 Win as well but they are far apart on the usage scale.

CRAZY JOHN
08-25-2006, 9:10 AM
I suggest a 7MM Winchester short mag or a 280 Remington. I live in Idaho and my son and son in law both use 280's and have killed tons of elk with them. I used to use a Sako 300 Win Mag but now use a 7MM WSM and have taken 3 elk with one shot including one at over 400 yards. If the price of training ammunition bothers you then you should consider reloading for practice.

xenophobe
08-25-2006, 11:55 AM
If you're going to own 1 bolt action rifle, it should be in 30-06. It is hands down the most versatile cartridge in the world with factory loadings in bullet weights as low as 55 grain to as high as 220 grain.

chris
08-25-2006, 12:32 PM
i would get the 30 06 like others have said. i do use a 6.5x55 sweedish mauser. i have taken several deer and a rather large pig with it. but hands down the 30-06 is the way to go.

scootergmc
08-25-2006, 1:47 PM
.338 Lapua

FatKatMatt
08-25-2006, 10:55 PM
would 7.62 x 54 R be considered a good cartridge for my purposes? Thanks to all who responded, by the way.

ivanimal
08-25-2006, 11:03 PM
If you're going to own 1 bolt action rifle, it should be in 30-06. It is hands down the most versatile cartridge in the world with factory loadings in bullet weights as low as 55 grain to as high as 220 grain.


I agree till you put elk in the mix. I hate tracking wounded animal.

IknowIknow..............shot placement Ivan!:D

I still like the ballistics of the 300 out past 200 yards.

five.five-six
08-25-2006, 11:13 PM
I would not buy either as my first rifle caliber. I would go with a 300 Win Mag. For elk it is good medicine. I have also hunted deer and Hogs with mine. 308 is a fine cartridge, 338 Win as well but they are far apart on the usage scale.


No question that 300 win mag is great especially 300-500 yards. If memory serves a 180 grain leaves the muzzle around 3k fps however the ammo is not cheep, it is easier to find than the .338 but not like .308 or 30-06..Everywhere and the winmag kicks like a mule so it takes a fair amount of discipline to shoot it accurately.. I vote for .308 buth that is just caus I have been shooting an ar-10 lately

kurac
08-25-2006, 11:13 PM
For an all around gun, I would pick something like the 7mm Rem Mag.

I don't think the .308 would be the best for Elk even though I know at least one guy who has harvested many with a BLR in .308

The 338 would probably be over kill so what other choice is there besided a 7mm :)

Ryoushi
08-26-2006, 10:46 AM
I intend to hunt mule deer here in california and possibly elk in the future. I only have enough cash for one gun so i want something versatile.


Because elk is on your list, as others have said 30-06, or like you said .308. Any of the magnums for a person's first rifle is counter productive.

xenophobe
08-26-2006, 10:59 AM
I agree till you put elk in the mix. I hate tracking wounded animal.

IknowIknow..............shot placement Ivan!:D

I still like the ballistics of the 300 out past 200 yards.

30-06 is plenty for anything on this continent. Hell, .270 is good enough for trophy Elk or Moose.

FatKatMatt
08-26-2006, 11:21 AM
i reiterate since i dont think anyone saw my post, would it be okay to use 7.62x54R? Its longer than a .308 and i can make an educated guess that it is more powerful, but i dont know.

jmlivingston
08-26-2006, 12:27 PM
That round is comparable to both the .30-06 and the .308. I'm in Colorado right now si I don't have my manuals available so I can't provide any specifics beyond that. A year or two ago I did a comparison between the three, and 7.62x54r was right there with them.

John

jmlivingston
08-26-2006, 12:31 PM
Here's a nifty ballistics comparison site that I just found...

http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/bcompare.cgi?sn=pptGGgeaQP&curr=bcompare

John

ivanimal
08-26-2006, 9:49 PM
30-06 is plenty for anything on this continent. Hell, .270 is good enough for trophy Elk or Moose.


We could argue all day. I have seen a pig take four rounds of 30-06 to the chest and keep coming. I have seen a big mule deer taken with a 223.


I like a little more power not arguments.

The 30-06 is a fine caliber I have 3 rifles chambered in that round. They will never go to Montana with me.

Vigilante
08-27-2006, 11:35 AM
I intend to hunt mule deer here in california and possibly elk in the future. I only have enough cash for one gun so i want something versatile.
The 30-06 is the most versatile cartridge there is. It will have no problem stopping any mule deer or elk. Obviously it is the cartridge that I would recomend you use.

M. Sage
08-27-2006, 11:39 AM
would 7.62 x 54 R be considered a good cartridge for my purposes? Thanks to all who responded, by the way.

.30-06, .308 and 7.62x54R are all in the same area, power-wise. It's not exactly easy finding hunting loads for the 54R (though they're out there), most of what's easy to find for it is military surplus, that makes .308 and .30-06 (and a lot of other rifle calibers) a better choice for hunting.

I agree with Ivanimal. It's too easy to go with a rifle that's under-powered when you're choosing a hunting rifle. IMO, .30-06 is fine for white tail deer, but muleys might be pushing it, and if you step up bigger than that, you're definitely looking at a larger caliber.

five.five-six
09-07-2006, 3:00 PM
well what did you get?

FatKatMatt
09-10-2006, 7:29 PM
I ended up having to loan most of my gun money to some people, so I bought an Ishevsk M44 from Big 5, so 7.62 x 54R. I plan on getting a Garand or something similar in the near future though.