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nicki
01-23-2011, 8:36 PM
Many of our Congress people actually do hold public events which I think is a good thing.

What would happen if "Citizen Volunteers" would provide "Armed Security", sending a message to nut jobs that they will have significant resistance.

We are not going to have Congress critters here in Cali that will go for it, but other states would.

While members of Congress do things I don't like, I think that if we show visible support that we will protect them, even if they are wrong on issues may help us in the long run.

We got grassroots gun rights in just about all states. I bet we could put together volunteer citizen protection faster than the Secret sevice could put things together.

Nicki

Arondos
01-23-2011, 8:38 PM
There is the whole liability issue of unlicensed security.

I will predict they will be to scared of having common people near them with weapons to ever seriously consider it.

Lrchops
01-23-2011, 8:40 PM
Citizen volunteers would obviously require many hours of training!! This is why it is best to hire trained contractors or off duty LEO's!!

Citizens who do not have proper tactical and engagement training can be more of a danger than a solution!

pitchbaby
01-23-2011, 8:56 PM
There is the whole liability issue of unlicensed security.

I will predict they will be to scared of having common people near them with weapons to ever seriously consider it.

I understand this to be true as well. It would be cool though if you had a the same politician encouraging properly CCW'd citizens to show up.

OleCuss
01-23-2011, 9:05 PM
If we went back to the idea of a real old-time militia (neighborhoods and communities train with each other and are ready to provide an active defense) the idea of using non-LEO's or security professionals in an armed capacity would make sense. Until then I'd be a bit concerned about how that would work.

But if they were to provide a bit of a unarmed cordon there might be some benefit to the concept. Even then it is a bit easy for things to get out of hand.

Personally, I just think that in the case of some nutcase starting shooting into a crowd that we should all run to tackle them. Using firearms in such a scenario is tricky at best. Charging a nutcase is dangerous but if everyone in the crowd did that there wouldn't be a whole lot of shots fired.

N6ATF
01-24-2011, 12:08 AM
This is why it is best to hire trained contractors or off duty LEO's!!

And waste how many millions in tax dollars guarding every single elected official, nationwide? Everyone should be able to defend themselves, and those they associate with, everywhere.

Lrchops
01-24-2011, 12:13 AM
And waste how many millions in tax dollars guarding every single elected official, nationwide? Everyone should be able to defend themselves, and those they associate with, everywhere.

No. lets not waste millions in tax dollars. We don't do that already! How about making the politicians responsible to pay for thier own security details? That way if a politician wants to enlist a local motorcycle gang for security, they can do that!

pitchbaby
01-24-2011, 12:44 AM
No. lets not waste millions in tax dollars. We don't do that already! How about making the politicians responsible to pay for thier own security details? That way if a politician wants to enlist a local motorcycle gang for security, they can do that!

WOW... somehow... I shouldn't even admit it, but I really like that idea... LOL!

I'm sure that the Hell's Angels would have had no problem with putting down the Loughner kid! (Then dragging his sorry ***** out to the desert and using him for target practice.)

SanPedroShooter
01-24-2011, 5:05 AM
If I recall correctly the Hells Angels MC, back at the height of the notoriety, volunteered some members to go to vietnam as a "special forces" unit (LBJ turned them down)
They also volunteered to help the police beat the **** out of anti war protesters in oakland (on the fence about that one), and they did security for the stones at Altamont, they killed a guy...

microwaveguy
01-24-2011, 5:52 AM
Well there is always the thought that congress could allow themselves and there staff the right of national carry with permit issued by the DOJ ?

erik_26
01-24-2011, 8:53 AM
I don’t think this will work.

1. Liability
2. Crazies will always find a way. (i.e. bomb, high powered rifle from a distance, bow & arrow, crossbow, attempt assault during non-public forum gathering, grenade…. Etc) Just like how prisoners always find ways to make weapons and smuggle drugs. If someone is hell bound and determined, they will find a way.

Plus you will create this sense of fear. By having a security force it says, “I am afraid of the public,” “the domestic terrorists have won,”…. Etc. Also it makes them unapproachable by the average Joe.

If you change your ways after something like this I really think it sends the wrong message. They need to just get out into the public to show they will not cower and they want to meet and listen to the citizens.

Final note, perhaps if they could pass balance budgets, repeal unfavorable laws, fund the schools, take a hard stance on crime, fix immigration…. In other words do what they said they were going to do during their campaign. Then they would feel good about getting out with the people.

Window_Seat
01-24-2011, 9:33 AM
It was already in place in AZ. The security force was the CCers as well as the SI CCW holders, and none of them showed up (except for the one hero who was inside of I think the Walgreens who later determined that he didn't need to shoot the guy).

The idea of national reciprocity (via the Thune Amendment) to get more citizens armed is the start. The next step is to press the courts to give us RKBA in the certain places where we are disarmed. Once we get protected RKBA established in the courts to where we can't be harassed by LEA/Os, multiple people need to engage in lawful OC at these rallies. But unfortunately we have Saldaņa types who would want to put a stop to it.

Lawmakers like McCarthy know full well that if there were more armed CCers at the event, 20 people wouldn't have been shot, and 6 people would not be dead. Little Christina would likely still be alive.

Erik.

gravedigger
01-24-2011, 9:49 AM
No disrespect to the OP, but there is no way in HELL I'd be a part of that!

We all know that gu'mint agencies like to play Spy vs. Spy. So there we are, CalGunners, standing near Boxer or Feinstein during one of her stomach-churning socialist speeches, when a car backfires. The sound is not unlike a gunshot. So we draw our weapons, and suddenly we see twelve men running toward Boxer while pulling Glocks out from under their coats. Oh ... and the gu'mint didn't bother to tell US about a secret backup "Alpha Team" Task Force who would mingle with the crowd and respond to a threat. So there we are, shooting the unidentified, un-uniformed gu'mint guys who are charging the stage with weapons drawn because they're mindless group-think concludes that WE are the threat! Now they return fire ...

No friggin' way would I be a part of THAT suicide assignment!

Hunt
01-24-2011, 9:56 AM
the best security for Congress is for them to disband, fold, go home and quit plundering the rest of the Country. We would be much better off if the entire gov't just stopped tomorrow.

N6ATF
01-24-2011, 11:16 AM
That too.

Saigon1965
01-24-2011, 11:18 AM
We would be better off with *some* goverment just stopped -

the best security for Congress is for them to disband, fold, go home and quit plundering the rest of the Country. We would be much better off if the entire gov't just stopped tomorrow.

Untamed1972
01-24-2011, 11:34 AM
I think the Secret Service might have an issue with Congress people asking avg. joes to provide armed security for them.

1911su16b870
01-24-2011, 12:31 PM
nicki is on to something here...how about using the local pds/reserves to provide security.

Untamed1972
01-24-2011, 12:43 PM
nicki is on to something here...how about using the local pds/reserves to provide security.

I'm sure the local LE would be happy to provide security.....in exchange for sending a fat bill to the FEDs for doing their job for them.

choprzrul
01-24-2011, 12:55 PM
At the door of these town hall events, just issue attendees their choice of club, pitchfork, or blazing torch.

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