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zoglog
01-21-2011, 9:39 PM
Hey guys,

I recently bought a house so now it looks like I got no excuse to get a safe and get it bolted in the Garage floor. Can anyone recommend any safes? Was browsing around some website and they all look about the same....

Looking for a medium size safe (6 gun maybe?)
Probably looking for a vendor that will bolt it to the ground for me as well.

Synergy
01-21-2011, 9:43 PM
I have a Sturdy Safe, many others here have a Sturdy. They are built in Fresno. I would highly recommend you look into them. Also check Craigslist or Backpage. I found mine on CL for 1/3 the price of new.

http://www.sturdysafe.com/

mprahm
01-21-2011, 9:45 PM
American Security (AMSEC) one of the best you can buy and as most will tell you on here...... buy a bigger safe than what you "think" you need right now.

sniper4usmc
01-21-2011, 9:47 PM
cannon safe or bighorn from Costco

Ron-Solo
01-21-2011, 9:57 PM
American Security (AMSEC) are top quality. Mine is over 25 years old and still opens flawlessly. Turners has one on sale right now. Get at least a TF6030 or TF6032 model.

I'm planning on buying another when I get my taxes back, and it will be AMSEC.

gravedigger
01-21-2011, 10:03 PM
http://www.patriotsafe.com/Gun-Safes-13-39-Guns_c_4.html

I had one of these. I sold it to a friend.

http://www.patriotsafe.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/patriotsafes/patriotimagesmain186_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0

Now I have one of THESE!

http://www.patriotsafe.com/Armory-Tall-45-gun-safe-2-hour-fire-1880-2010-LEO-Special-_p_18.html

http://www.patriotsafe.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/patriotsafes/patriotimagesmain139_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0

I sprung for the Armory 2-hour fire safe with all of the bells and whistles!

zoglog
01-21-2011, 10:10 PM
American Security (AMSEC) one of the best you can buy and as most will tell you on here...... buy a bigger safe than what you "think" you need right now.

Haha that's funny, I heard the exact opposite advice from someone else :).

But yeah I only have 1 shotgun and 1 Rifle, 4 handguns for now. So I'm thinking something that can hold around 6 long guns and 10ish handguns.

looks like Amsec and sturdy safe recommends for now?
Turners might be good but not sure they do installs. My closest turners seems to be closed for now (moving to new location)

Synergy
01-21-2011, 10:11 PM
Where are you located? I can help you install it. I have a hammer drill for concrete. PM me if you want.

freeman
01-21-2011, 10:14 PM
can't beat the Cannon....

Newshooter
01-21-2011, 10:22 PM
I own a Liberty and would highly recommend one.

I do agree that you should buy one bigger than you think you need.

erik_26
01-21-2011, 10:32 PM
Save as much as you can. Buy a safe that has the capacity you want. Lifetime warranty (like canons warranty). At least a 30 minute+ fire rating.

If you do it right, a safe is a lifetime purchase. And if you really do it right it can be passed down.

Look at lots of different ones. Search youtube for "security on sale" it will make you think about what you buy.

Really examine the thickness of the doors and bolts.

BRANCHER
01-21-2011, 10:48 PM
As stated and a good piece of advise... GET THE BIGGEST YOU CAN AFFORD!!
It took a lot of fast talking to explain why I need another gun safe to the wife...
And now I need a 3rd... Starting to collect more handguns since I can fit them!

and I got a big Craftsman cabinet for all my ammo... and not all fits into it. (it is bigger than my 36 gun safe).

On a side note: we put our expensive electronics (MAC Book Pros,.. etc) and Jewelry in when going on Vacation and also when going out on Holidays (for the day) like Christmas. Also don't forget to put you HD Weapons in there when you leave too... These are times that have a higher burglary rates. Another Reason to go big.

IntoForever
01-21-2011, 11:09 PM
If you're in Long Beach, I'd advise swinging by Sportsman Steel Safes and have them show you around their bays where they build them. Do your research, nothing sucks like finding out you bought something an 11 year old can break into. Also go on youtube and look up breaking into safes. Good luck.

CenterX
01-21-2011, 11:18 PM
Get a 2 hour burn rating and large enough so you can include your paperwork for double duty.
And bolting to the floor of a garage only keeps the lightweights from taking it. Our county has had several pulled right out of the garage, concrete and bolts, then hauled away. try to get it into an inside corner just to make it harder to pull out. A nice cheep pressboard cabinet to hide it from street view is another suggestion.
Best of fortune.

antonio
01-21-2011, 11:24 PM
Cannon Safes

dan12580
01-22-2011, 12:57 AM
Liberty. I bought the largest safe with a 1 hr fire rating I could swing at the time.

hbellew
01-22-2011, 9:51 AM
Graffunder is the safe you want, but it comes with a very big price tag. Like the old saying goes "You get what you pay for".

http://www.graffundersafes.com/index.html

For the rest of us normal people who can't afford a Graffunder the above mentioned brands seem to be well reviewed. Cannon, Amsec, Liberty all seem to be well liked and well reviewed. I have a Cannon myself and I am very happy with it.

Your post does not specify a location but if you are near the San Fernando Valley I would suggest Dean Safe and Security in Van Nuys. I bought my safe there and they bolted it down to the foundation.

Hopalong
01-22-2011, 10:40 AM
Before you buy a gun safe, go to you tube and type in "gun safe break in".

Obviously the location and installation would make a difference.

You might be better off with a dog.

tpuig
01-22-2011, 11:27 AM
Buy a giant one and consider it part of the house. As mentioned you can put other valuables in there. Jewelry, cameras, microphones, documents, etc. I bought what I thought was a huge safe 15 years ago. Now it seems tiny... ;-)

CaliforniaLiberal
01-22-2011, 12:04 PM
It's true, get the biggest safe that you can afford for the degree of protection you choose. They will shrink over time.

Most claims of fire protection are BS. Different manufacturers use different tests for fire protection making it difficult to compare their claims.


Bolt is down. Bolt it down. Bolt it down.

The best safe is one that is never found by the thief.



Here's a couple of places with good information.

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunsafes.html

http://www.sturdysafe.com/

http://www.sturdysafe.com/gimmicks.htm

http://www.graffundersafes.com/

Synergy
01-22-2011, 12:20 PM
Most claims of fire protection are BS. Different manufacturers use different tests for fire protection making it difficult to compare their claims.

Most good sized cities have a adequate fire dept with a response time of under 5 minutes. Most structure fires are controlled within 10-15 minutes of the first arriving company. If you live in the country (extended response time)or in a wildland urban interface zone, (where a wildfire could demolish your neighborhood) go with a good fire safe. My sturdy safe is not fire lined. 2 reasons.... I'm a fireman and my house is 1 min from a fire station. :p

Another consideration is if your home has residential fire sprinklers. Fire safe is not need. Though a waterproof seal would be.

Samuel Adams
01-22-2011, 12:44 PM
I have a Sturdy Safe, many others here have a Sturdy. They are built in Fresno. I would highly recommend you look into them. Also check Craigslist or Backpage. I found mine on CL for 1/3 the price of new.

http://www.sturdysafe.com/

What he said. Sturdy rocks.

Boltz
01-22-2011, 12:55 PM
Before you buy a gun safe, go to you tube and type in "gun safe break in".

Obviously the location and installation would make a difference.

You might be better off with a dog.

A dog can be defeated just as well and doesn't secure your guns when you have kids or people over.

I have a Stack-On 8 gun safe. It doesn't have the thickest steel and has no fire protection, but is small enough to secure somewhere out of sight. It's also light enough to maneuver around yourself and bolt down to the floor or wall studs (you can drill through the metal yourself to get it on a stud).

I seriously don't plan on having a big collection of guns, so it works for me :)

The Electrician
01-22-2011, 1:13 PM
http://www.patriotsafe.com/Gun-Safes-13-39-Guns_c_4.html

I had one of these. I sold it to a friend.

http://www.patriotsafe.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/patriotsafes/patriotimagesmain186_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0

Now I have one of THESE!

http://www.patriotsafe.com/Armory-Tall-45-gun-safe-2-hour-fire-1880-2010-LEO-Special-_p_18.html

http://www.patriotsafe.com/thumbnail.asp?

file=assets/images/patriotsafes/patriotimagesmain139_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0

I sprung for the Armory 2-hour fire safe with all of the bells and whistles!

Wowwwww thats a nice looking safe!!!! What do they run?

superbikearmen
01-22-2011, 2:21 PM
http://www.patriotsafe.com/Gun-Safes-13-39-Guns_c_4.html

I had one of these. I sold it to a friend.

http://www.patriotsafe.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/patriotsafes/patriotimagesmain186_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0

Now I have one of THESE!

http://www.patriotsafe.com/Armory-Tall-45-gun-safe-2-hour-fire-1880-2010-LEO-Special-_p_18.html

http://www.patriotsafe.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/patriotsafes/patriotimagesmain139_thumbnail.jpg&maxx=150&maxy=0

I sprung for the Armory 2-hour fire safe with all of the bells and whistles!

I got the same 2 hour safe and am stuffing it with all kinds of crap, kinda like when I bought my snap on tool box, couldn't stop until it was packed! got mine for 1900 otd shipped with tax. Only wish I had more room now, isn't that always the case. I stuffed all my ammo in can in there and barely got 7 guns in there. Patriot claims they are made in the U.S.A and their quality is awesome, however I think they are made over seas only because when I asked for a spare part they told me they couldn't get it? WTF they can't get it, if its made in Riverside like they claim why can't you ship me out an extra shelf???? ...its gotta be made in china. All that aside the safe is *****in, I might buy a second one and put em' next to each other. It just bugs me if there not made here and their name is "Patriot", oh and another thing they wouldn't let me come to their location to view any of the safes?? something fishy about them, I just don't know. hope this info helps!

Kid Stanislaus
01-22-2011, 2:47 PM
I don't know where you're from but I had a BAD experience with Kodiak safes in Fresno a "few" years back.

Caeser2001
01-22-2011, 2:50 PM
American Security (AMSEC) one of the best you can buy and as most will tell you on here...... buy a bigger safe than what you "think" you need right now.

This, definitely. You'll put more in it than just firearms.

zoglog
01-22-2011, 5:07 PM
Yikes! those sturdysafes get kind of expensive. They also seem to get significantly more costly w/ fire protection.

tube snake boogie
01-22-2011, 5:24 PM
Yikes! those sturdysafes get kind of expensive. They also seem to get significantly more costly w/ fire protection.

u get what you pay for, and, no sturdy is not overpriced for a quality safe, you have become mesmerized by the prices of the "flashy" but inferior Chinese junk safes such that cost of a quality safe seems expensive.
:rolleyes:

zoglog
01-22-2011, 5:30 PM
u get what you pay for, and, no sturdy is not overpriced for a quality safe, you have become mesmerized by the prices of the "flashy" but inferior Chinese junk safes such that cost of a quality safe seems expensive.
:rolleyes:

well possibly that and they include shipping into the cost.
I've yet to get quotes still on other places.

If I do go with sturdysafe I guess i'll probably forgo the fire addition. It's pretty expensive ($600+) and I live .4 miles from the fire department D:

xenophobe
01-22-2011, 6:17 PM
If you get a fire safe and store your tax records in there, you used to be able to write it off... I don't know if that's still the case or if it was just a rumor though.

Cabledude1
01-22-2011, 11:04 PM
My sturdy safe has been proven burgler safe they ground off the hindges
and broke off the dial with my sledge hammer and still my guns remain.They had it rocking back and forth because i only had two bolts in it (now i have 4)
the company in fresno fixed it for free.they also said i could trade up and deduct the purchace price of my smaller safe,so i probably will.

The Electrician
01-22-2011, 11:07 PM
My sturdy safe has been proven burgler safe they ground off the hindges
and broke off the dial with my sledge hammer and still my guns remain.They had it rocking back and forth because i only had two bolts in it (now i have 4)
the company in fresno fixed it for free.they also said i could trade up and deduct the purchace price of my smaller safe,so i probably will.

What brand? Did they say you could upgrade because it was brokeing into?

high_revs
01-22-2011, 11:16 PM
he wrote the brand
What brand?
Originally Posted by Cabledude1
My sturdy safe...


Hey guys,

I recently bought a house so now it looks like I got no excuse to get a safe and get it bolted in the Garage floor. Can anyone recommend any safes? Was browsing around some website and they all look about the same....

Looking for a medium size safe (6 gun maybe?)
Probably looking for a vendor that will bolt it to the ground for me as well.

Get twice what you're looking for. I did and now, I'm looking for more space. Also, do some reading on a real safe vs. a residential security container. Many RSCs call themselves a safe but they're not (technically). There should be some info in the other subforum we have here - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=74

Saym14
01-22-2011, 11:25 PM
Wowwwww thats a nice looking safe!!!! What do they run?

the link says

Retail Price: $7,798.00
Your Savings: $4,622.00
Your Price: $3,399.00
On sale: $3,176.00

gravedigger
01-22-2011, 11:29 PM
Yeah, that's the other thing. that "two bolts in the center" stuff is for the birds. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that if you bolt down a safe at all four corners, it will be one heck of a lot harder to pull from a floor. Take a cardboard box and staple the center of the bottom to a board. Take another one and staple down all four corners, and see which one requires more effort to tear loose.

My Patriot "Collector" safe that I just sold was very nice, but I didn't like the two-bolt anchor points in the center of the floor. I felt that the two bolts could be pulled through the holes with enough force. I got two 3/4" steel plates, about 12"x16" in size, glued some Home Depot gray carpeting to them, and drilled a hole off-center. Each plate was placed on the bottom, and the hole was such that the plates would not interfere with the shelving, etc. If someone tries to pull it up now, they'll have to pull those two plates through the bottom of the safe!

This "Armory" safe I just bought will be bolted down at all four corners, (yeah, I know, it will void the warranty) but I'm going to put J-hook concrete anchors into the floor first, so I won't be relying on the 3" inserts alone and there will be one BIG 6"x6"x3/4" steel plate placed in each corner on the bottom. The crooks will have to pull four 18" concrete encased J-hooks up through the concrete pad to get it loose, or pull those four corner plates through the safe's floor!

I'm a former certified welder. I just might weld up a 3-sided re-bar cage with a top and encase it in a foot of concrete first, and then place the safe inside of it. If the concrete walls protrude beyond the front of the safe, I'd pay good money to see someone get a crowbar into an advantageous position at that point!

I was playing with the idea of a lift platform for the safe, using an old gas station car lift tube. Either air or hydraulics, the safe, when not accessed, would drop down into a concrete-lined square recess in the floor until the top of the safe was flush with the floor! The crooks would have to figure out how to raise the safe first, before they could even think about breaking into it. Of course, the control for the lift would be well hidden, and probably require a digital code entry to activate it.

novalondon
01-23-2011, 12:59 AM
1.Buy the biggest and best you can afford.
2. Put it in the house, not the garage where everybody driving or walking by can see it when the garage door is open. Besides, a tow strap and a big truck and pull it out the door even if bolted down and be down the street pretty quickly.
3. Buy lots of guns for it and even let your wife keep her jewelry in it. That way she will let you get a big one.
Buy quality and do bolt all 4 corners down, even in the house. 1/4 inch dowel rods will move a safe around...

WWDHD?
01-23-2011, 1:57 AM
I would love to buy a new safe and have been doing a lot of serches on the subject. I want to buy american but its getting harder every day and more expensive. The Sturdy safes are the thickest steel I've seen for a RSC type safe. I like the Liberty Fat Boy jr as a good all-around US made safe but I'll have to save up a bit more for one. AMSEC BF series is solid but expensive. Everything below the BF series is china made.
The electronic locks seem troublesome so I want to go dial. Most of the low cost chinese made stuff has the digital key pads. Costco has some nice deals on Cannon and others but again they are all made overseas.
All but the Sturdy safes have kinda thin sides (11ga to 14ga). Doesn't take much to cut through. If determined thieves have enough time they will rip most of these safes open. All your buying is time.

zoglog
01-23-2011, 5:30 AM
I would love to keep the safe in the house. No room though and my GF won't let me keep it upstairs. She's afraid it'll sag the floor over time.

Samuel Adams
01-23-2011, 8:44 AM
well possibly that and they include shipping into the cost.
I've yet to get quotes still on other places.

If I do go with sturdysafe I guess i'll probably forgo the fire addition. It's pretty expensive ($600+) and I live .4 miles from the fire department D:

Call them up. Sometimes they have blemished ones for a good discount. My friend bought one that had been cut open and returned. They did a kick *** repair and was good as new. You can hardly tell and it was quite a bit cheaper.

gravedigger
01-23-2011, 9:08 AM
You know what would be really funny, is to buy a HUGE safe, and place another safe inside of it. Bolt both of them securely to the floor. The thieves would work hard to break into your safe. When they finally get the door open they'd find ... another safe!

tube snake boogie
01-23-2011, 9:43 AM
well possibly that and they include shipping into the cost.
I've yet to get quotes still on other places.

If I do go with sturdysafe I guess i'll probably forgo the fire addition. It's pretty expensive ($600+) and I live .4 miles from the fire department D:

Not sure where you are located, but my Amsec is for sale:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=387025

Need a bigger one :TFH: and probably going with another Amsec or a sturdy

SteveMartin
01-23-2011, 5:57 PM
Graffunder is the safe you want, but it comes with a very big price tag. Like the old saying goes "You get what you pay for".

http://www.graffundersafes.com/index.html

For the rest of us normal people who can't afford a Graffunder the above mentioned brands seem to be well reviewed. Cannon, Amsec, Liberty all seem to be well liked and well reviewed. I have a Cannon myself and I am very happy with it.

Your post does not specify a location but if you are near the San Fernando Valley I would suggest Dean Safe and Security in Van Nuys. I bought my safe there and they bolted it down to the foundation.

Must have been hard to get it out of the store after that! :)

sumdood
01-23-2011, 7:00 PM
My sturdy safe has been proven burgler safe they ground off the hindges
and broke off the dial with my sledge hammer and still my guns remain.They had it rocking back and forth because i only had two bolts in it (now i have 4)
the company in fresno fixed it for free.they also said i could trade up and deduct the purchace price of my smaller safe,so i probably will.

Note to self: Store sledge hammer in the safe

Synergy
01-23-2011, 8:59 PM
Note to self: Store sledge hammer in the safe

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The Electrician
01-24-2011, 10:15 AM
Some one was saying they got a cannon from costco for $599, does any one have a link? The only cannons on costcos website i saw were real expensive!

joefrank64k
01-24-2011, 12:27 PM
Some one was saying they got a cannon from costco for $599, does any one have a link? The only cannons on costcos website i saw were real expensive!

The Cannon goes on and off sale periodically...right now it's off-sale.

I think it's this one:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11501528&whse=BC&Ne=4000000&eCat=BC|114|3373&N=4042061&Mo=31&No=11&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=3373&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&hierPath=114*3373*&topnav=

This safe:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BC&topnav=&prodid=11542470&ec=BC-EC877-CatHome&pos=8&lang=en-US

is the Rhino Big Horn equivalent of the Cannon.

zoglog
01-25-2011, 11:33 AM
Not sure where you are located, but my Amsec is for sale:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=387025

Need a bigger one :TFH: and probably going with another Amsec or a sturdy

haha a bit too far, don't t hink it's worth carting it up from SD to LA

zoglog
01-28-2011, 4:22 PM
Was considering the Sturdysafe but it looks like they only freight ship it but don't have people who can do the bolt down install.

Does anyone know of anyone in LA who would install and bolt it down for a reasonable price? I'd imagine most of the people who do are safe re-sellers who will charge an arm and a leg if you don't buy the safe through them.

JSolie
01-28-2011, 5:28 PM
Note to self: Store sledge hammer in the safe

Blades for the reciprocating saw, too. I read about that a couple of years ago on a different gun forum. They were discussing different ways that thieves can get into a safe, and several were saying that some thieves will try using your reciprocating saw to get into your safe.

One guy suggested putting the good blades in the safe, and keeping blades that were softer than the safe out in the open. That way the only thing thieves could do to the safe with the reciprocating saw was to mess up the paint. :D

kozumasbullitt
01-28-2011, 5:51 PM
I purchased a big horn safe from costco not to long ago and was impressed by the 1.5" bolts, 10GA steel, and 5 star reviews across the board.

Lrchops
01-29-2011, 3:51 AM
cannon safe or bighorn from Costco

These cannons really are not very good safes compared to most reputables!

Lrchops
01-29-2011, 3:58 AM
You should bolt your safe to the floor and put it between two walls to enclose at least the sides. Any joker with a good angle grinder can plug in and cot out the sides of most home safes.

ElectronWrangler
01-30-2011, 11:36 AM
I like the way you think.

Yeah, that's the other thing. that "two bolts in the center" stuff is for the birds. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that if you bolt down a safe at all four corners, it will be one heck of a lot harder to pull from a floor. Take a cardboard box and staple the center of the bottom to a board. Take another one and staple down all four corners, and see which one requires more effort to tear loose.

My Patriot "Collector" safe that I just sold was very nice, but I didn't like the two-bolt anchor points in the center of the floor. I felt that the two bolts could be pulled through the holes with enough force. I got two 3/4" steel plates, about 12"x16" in size, glued some Home Depot gray carpeting to them, and drilled a hole off-center. Each plate was placed on the bottom, and the hole was such that the plates would not interfere with the shelving, etc. If someone tries to pull it up now, they'll have to pull those two plates through the bottom of the safe!

This "Armory" safe I just bought will be bolted down at all four corners, (yeah, I know, it will void the warranty) but I'm going to put J-hook concrete anchors into the floor first, so I won't be relying on the 3" inserts alone and there will be one BIG 6"x6"x3/4" steel plate placed in each corner on the bottom. The crooks will have to pull four 18" concrete encased J-hooks up through the concrete pad to get it loose, or pull those four corner plates through the safe's floor!

I'm a former certified welder. I just might weld up a 3-sided re-bar cage with a top and encase it in a foot of concrete first, and then place the safe inside of it. If the concrete walls protrude beyond the front of the safe, I'd pay good money to see someone get a crowbar into an advantageous position at that point!

I was playing with the idea of a lift platform for the safe, using an old gas station car lift tube. Either air or hydraulics, the safe, when not accessed, would drop down into a concrete-lined square recess in the floor until the top of the safe was flush with the floor! The crooks would have to figure out how to raise the safe first, before they could even think about breaking into it. Of course, the control for the lift would be well hidden, and probably require a digital code entry to activate it.

SG_Niner
01-30-2011, 3:42 PM
I went with a cannon patriot from http://www.agenglish.com/ ran me about $1300 delivered. Broke a shelf later on and gave them a call and they replaced it for free even shipping,great people over there. Size matters! Take what ever amount of guns you want to put in the safe and times that by 3when figuring the size you want.You will not believe how fast they fill up.Never had an issue with the key pad I like it better than a dial with my eyesight and can open it a hell of a lot faster.

odysseus
01-30-2011, 4:01 PM
You should bolt your safe to the floor and put it between two walls to enclose at least the sides. Any joker with a good angle grinder can plug in and cot out the sides of most home safes.

It's a matter of time and energy with all these gun safes here in the thread, depending on their make and design (more steel the better). A real TL safe - say like a jeweler would use, is going to be really difficult to use brute force against even with a grinder, fire axe, and steel cutting saw - but even then not impossible if given enough time with stronger techniques. Safes are about deterrence and time required, and most all gun safes are pretty much at the bottom of that scale.

So while it is important to get the higher grade gun safe that will guard against simple attacks like bolt tampering or a pry bar, you still are vulnerable - given time and energy. Like an onion and layers, first should be obscurity and secrecy if possible, then comes ability and energy to physically gain access to it, then comes difficulty of degrees to manipulate it (like corner placement and bolting), and all of this dependent on available time to attack (proper alarm system alerting). Most criminals of opportunity will have given up at an early stage and not be prepared for something like that.

MikeinnLA
02-07-2011, 7:50 PM
if you are near the San Fernando Valley I would suggest Dean Safe and Security in Van Nuys. I bought my safe there and they bolted it down to the foundation.

Thanks for the referral. I'm in the valley and will check them out.:yes:

My ex-wife's house was just gutted by fire, a total loss (so much for "the FD gets there in 10 mins"), so I've been checking my insurance. I can't even repeat the quote for covering my watch collection let alone the guns.:eek: Just one year's premium should buy me a real nice safe.

Mike

GMG
02-07-2011, 8:49 PM
American Security (AMSEC) one of the best you can buy and as most will tell you on here...... buy a bigger safe than what you "think" you need right now.

That's a +.

LMT4ME
02-07-2011, 10:14 PM
American Security - but get a dial combo not electric. Maybe a 1 in a million, but I'd not want my guns + valuables in a super strong safe and no way to get to them after an EMP attack. Now that would suck big time.

Mr. Burns
02-07-2011, 10:49 PM
You know what would be really funny, is to buy a HUGE safe, and place another safe inside of it. Bolt both of them securely to the floor. The thieves would work hard to break into your safe. When they finally get the door open they'd find ... another safe!

:iagree:

WWDHD?
02-07-2011, 11:49 PM
I'm really liking what I hear/see on the sturdy safes. Called them the other day and they are very friendly and easy to deal with. 7ga is standard thickness and 5ga is optional. Also, the fire lining costs about $600+ but can be added latter with a kit if you change your mind. I'm less than half-a-mile from the FD so I'm thinking of passing for now and adding latter if I move somewhere thats a lot farther from a FD.
Think I'll drive out to Fresno latter this week and see these safes for myself. Maybe one will follow me home.

liketoshoot
02-08-2011, 9:31 AM
Haha that's funny, I heard the exact opposite advice from someone else :).

But yeah I only have 1 shotgun and 1 Rifle, 4 handguns for now. So I'm thinking something that can hold around 6 long guns and 10ish handguns.

looks like Amsec and sturdy safe recommends for now?
Turners might be good but not sure they do installs. My closest turners seems to be closed for now (moving to new location)

I bet your wife will see space for her rings, necklace, etc........
Get a bigger then you need save off any fights:o

Oh yea, I have a sun welding, good price

WWDHD?
02-09-2011, 1:48 AM
I've been reading that even with some kind of fire/heat protection in a gun safe how your stuff fairs during a fire is a real crap-shoot. Seems that if the interior temp gets up to about 300+ degrees for more than a few minuets its going to damage your firearms. Also the sheetrock used in many fire protected safes is going to cause water vapor to form from the fires heat and oxidize most of the metals inside. So even if the safe survives a house fire your guns will likely be ruined anyways.
I'm looking to buy a good safe to protect against theft. Knowing that any of my guns are out on the street being used for evil purposes would bother me way more that losing them to a fire.
Whatever safe I get I'm just going to place it close to an outside wall of the house in a room far away from the kitchen and hope for the best as far as fires go.

Plisk
02-09-2011, 9:00 AM
For the money, American Security is a good choice. Some fire rating, a analog lock, which personally I prefer so I don't have a electronic failure and i have added problems getting into my safe. I know there are mechanical ways to get in to those, but it's just simple enough for me. :D

They do bolt to the ground, and if you're in Socal; Turner's has sales on these safes every other month or so.

WWDHD?
02-09-2011, 9:25 AM
I looked at the AMSEC safes. From what I learned only the BF series is US made. The BF is a very good gun safe but also very expensive. Around here a "30 wide one is close to $2000. How much are they going for in your area?
The lower end models (TS and FS models I think they are called) are made in china and not much different than any other lower cost gun safes like the Winchesters and such but they are still pricey because of the name. The BF has a double wall 10ga body with a cement filler for fire protection. No doubt the BF is a very nice safe but a bit out of my price range for its size.

Jack L
02-09-2011, 9:29 AM
Like many have stated, buy the largest you can afford and buy a quailty safe. Next time I move I'm buying a huge double door safe. I can put guns, ammo, documents and even my guitars in it.

capo
02-14-2011, 8:47 PM
PM me, my company manufactures high security and fire safes, and we also carry some gun safes from other manufacturers, including AMSEC. I'll hook up a Calguns discount, we ship, service, and install nationwide.

San_Diego_Shooter
02-14-2011, 9:10 PM
Didn't see anyone else recommending these.
http://www.ftknox.com/

Kodemonkey
02-14-2011, 10:02 PM
Didn't see anyone else recommending these.
http://www.ftknox.com/

I just ordered a fort Knox - they are pricey but after doing some research I liked what was built into the safe. It also allowed me to get outside hinges and a left hand opening that I wanted. My biggest problem is I have a high tension slab and I can't bolt the safe down. So I got a 37 cubic foot safe with upgraded steel to make it weigh around 1300 lbs. It's gonna be a little more difficult to steal that with my alarm going off and getting away with it. I went with an electronic lock. I figure I will have larger problems if there is an EMP. I like the simplicity of a keypad. I have to deal with a traditional combo Schwab safe at work all the time and it's a pain in the ***.

Should have it in 8 weeks.

zoglog
02-24-2011, 5:26 PM
I'm still debating between the Amsec BF series or one of the Sturdysafes.
Benefit of the Amsec is I can pay for the installation and safe all in one through deansafe. Also the amsecs look nicer in general and probably have better interiors.

The Sturdysafes use thicker steel but don't have UL certification (someone said this might be an issue w/ insurance discount) despite exceeding requirements. Also getting fire protection with the sturdy is significantly more expensive.

WWDHD?
02-24-2011, 9:13 PM
I bought a Sturdy (32x24x60) a few weeks ago and I like it very much. If I had $3000+ I'd probably buy a Liberty President series or a high end Browning but I don't so Sturdy fits my budget and my needs just fine. 7ga, no fire lining. Close to 700lbs. Nice people to deal with.

Southbay
02-24-2011, 9:36 PM
I have an American Security, itís built like a tank weights 1200 lbs empty. I highly recommend them. Go big.

kophinos
02-24-2011, 11:54 PM
i have an AMSEC, thinking of getting one of these this weekend: http://www.tractorsupply.com/tools/safes/winchester-reg-gun-safe-1043297

i know, get a Study, blah blah, get a Ft. Knox..

however, nothing i have seen under $1k compares to the one in the link.

Gem1950
02-25-2011, 6:20 AM
can't beat the Cannon....

^^^ Ditto

lewdogg21
02-25-2011, 8:18 AM
Here's one piece of advice. However many guns they advertise you can fit, well you can't really fit that many longguns. I have a 18/36 and it's not going to hold that many. You will end up shoving all sorts of stuff in there like wedding album, important documents, expensive binoculars, etc.

WWDHD?
02-25-2011, 11:08 AM
Kophinos, if you have an AMSEC now, that Winchester from Tractor Supply might be a let down for you. I looked at those as well and they are the typical 12ga-Chinese made-digital lock box full of drywall you can find anywhere. They will keep the kids out and stop smash and grabs for sure, but your AMSEC is a far better safe.
Have you looked at the Bighorn safes at Costco? They are Chinese made to but at least they have a little bit thicker metal at 10ga for a similar price as the Winchester. Reviews look good except many say to let it air out with the door open in your garage for a few days because the glue they use on the interior smells like gasoline.
The Liberty Centurion line looked good to me with decent interiors. Of the four models, the top two are US made and in that under $1000 range. Looked at the Liberty "FatBoy" but it wouldn't fit in the room!
Good luck.

zoglog
02-25-2011, 11:37 AM
any thoughts on the liberty lincoln 50 here?
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=397624&highlight=gun+safe

though i'm afraid it might be too big for my garage anyway.

kophinos
02-25-2011, 12:47 PM
i have a AMSEC TF, it's not exactly high quality. i could be wrong, but it's also a 14awg with sheet rock insulator made in china.

Kophinos, if you have an AMSEC now, that Winchester from Tractor Supply might be a let down for you. I looked at those as well and they are the typical 12ga-Chinese made-digital lock box full of drywall you can find anywhere. They will keep the kids out and stop smash and grabs for sure, but your AMSEC is a far better safe.
Have you looked at the Bighorn safes at Costco? They are Chinese made to but at least they have a little bit thicker metal at 10ga for a similar price as the Winchester. Reviews look good except many say to let it air out with the door open in your garage for a few days because the glue they use on the interior smells like gasoline.
The Liberty Centurion line looked good to me with decent interiors. Of the four models, the top two are US made and in that under $1000 range. Looked at the Liberty "FatBoy" but it wouldn't fit in the room!
Good luck.

BostonFan
02-25-2011, 12:57 PM
google bear safes. I forget the website but I remember seeing ads for them on hunting shows and being reasonably priced

mike_the_wino
02-25-2011, 1:13 PM
I own a Liberty and would highly recommend one.
+1
I do agree that you should buy one bigger than you think you need.
+1. Those freaking things multiple like rabbits.

CaliforniaLiberal
02-25-2011, 5:09 PM
Large amount of excellent Gun Safe Information

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunsafes.html


Bolt it down! Bolt it down! Bolt it down!

zoglog
02-25-2011, 6:01 PM
I think I've decided on the Sturdysafe given the price compared to the AMsecs and due to the 7gauge steel.

Now to figure out if I have enough room to open the door on a 36" one or a 32" One
Called in and it looks like the 32" one has a full depth of 48.5" when the door is open and the 36" has a full dept of 55" when the door is open.

I'd like the 36", but if I need to back out the car to open the door every time that could be incredibly annoying. Kind of leaning towards the fire lining too, despite it being quite a bit more for upgrade.

What do you guys think of the stainless steel torch resistant option?

I think my final decision will be finding a light for the inside and Finding a way to camouflage the safe. The best Idea I heard so far is to cover it with a giant cardboard box and Write XMAS TREE on it :D

Hump0311
02-25-2011, 6:53 PM
Anyone have one of these??

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=391343

WWDHD?
02-25-2011, 6:55 PM
If your putting the safe in your garage you might want to have them drill a hole for a cord so you can plug in one of those Golden Rods and keep the humidity down. Study Safes fire lining is very nice (not sheet rock) if you can afford it. I'm sure Terry (owner) can discus all the options like the torch resistance with you and if its worth it for you or not. Some of their safes can be made in 5ga as an option. Almost went that way on mine but I was already over my original budget.
I got a couple of those magnetic LED lights that run on watch batteries. Stuck them inside the safe, push for on/off. Works good for me. Bought them on amazon with free shipping too! Made by Bossco if your interested. as for cammo, how about just throwing a canvas tarp or old car cover over it?
Good luck. Let us know how things go with your new safe.

crazychinaman
02-25-2011, 7:39 PM
Hey guys,

I recently bought a house so now it looks like I got no excuse to get a safe and get it bolted in the Garage floor. Can anyone recommend any safes? Was browsing around some website and they all look about the same....

Looking for a medium size safe (6 gun maybe?)
Probably looking for a vendor that will bolt it to the ground for me as well.

Buy the biggest one you can afford.You will be putting other things besides guns,Camera.Jewelry,Documents.etc. I have two big one that now stuffed. Also,with a min hour fire rating.

zoglog
02-25-2011, 9:45 PM
I'm buying the biggest one I can fit lol. Technically the 36" one is far better value (only 300-400 more than the 32")
However I don't want to have the scenario where I can't open the safe door when I have the car in the garage.

WWDHD?
02-26-2011, 10:00 AM
Trade in for a smaller car?

RickyB
02-26-2011, 10:18 AM
Anyone use under-the-floor safes? Bolted to both a poured concrete pad underneath it and to the floor joists? I'm really not digging the idea of keeping an exposed thousand pound safe in the garage or the house. But I got a nice big walk-in closet that it would fit under quite easily.......

docsmileyface
02-26-2011, 10:59 AM
I've got a Liberty Franklin 25. Very aesthetically pleasing, its the center piece of my manroom. However it doesn't fit nearly the amount of guns it advertises. I fit like 16 long guns comfortably in there with accessories - it says it can fit like 40 or something like that. The door panel for pistols is really cool, though.

Jel
02-26-2011, 1:11 PM
I just ordered a fort Knox - they are pricey but after doing some research I liked what was built into the safe. It also allowed me to get outside hinges and a left hand opening that I wanted. My biggest problem is I have a high tension slab and I can't bolt the safe down. So I got a 37 cubic foot safe with upgraded steel to make it weigh around 1300 lbs. It's gonna be a little more difficult to steal that with my alarm going off and getting away with it. I went with an electronic lock. I figure I will have larger problems if there is an EMP. I like the simplicity of a keypad. I have to deal with a traditional combo Schwab safe at work all the time and it's a pain in the ***.

Should have it in 8 weeks.

Hey Kodemonkey,

You can still get your safe bolted down on a high tension slab. You just need to make sure that the holes you drill do NOT hit one of the cables. The way around this is to have someone x-ray the area where you want to put the safe. This way you know exactly where the cables are and can drill around them. You may have to fiddle around with placement of the safe and/or possibly drilling new bolt holes in the safe itself, but I'm sure you can get it pretty close.

Jel

WWDHD?
02-27-2011, 1:19 AM
I was looking real hard at the Liberty Franklin 25. Very nice looking safe and I really liked the interior with the lighting and electrical plug. A bit out of my price range for the size but at the time if there was a sale I might have gotten one. How much did yours set you back?

Kodemonkey
02-27-2011, 7:42 AM
Hey Kodemonkey,

You can still get your safe bolted down on a high tension slab. You just need to make sure that the holes you drill do NOT hit one of the cables. The way around this is to have someone x-ray the area where you want to put the safe. This way you know exactly where the cables are and can drill around them. You may have to fiddle around with placement of the safe and/or possibly drilling new bolt holes in the safe itself, but I'm sure you can get it pretty close.

Jel

Do you have any idea how much that would cost? I knew it could be done, but I figured it would be >$200. I might consider it in the future if the value of the items inside climbs, but I'm just starting my collection.

zoglog
03-01-2011, 12:56 PM
Trade in for a smaller car?

hehe no thanks :)
It pains me but it looks like I'm gonna need to go with the 32" width one rather than the 36" width one.

ended up buying the sturdysafe 3224-6 w/ fire protection and custom interior.
They said it'll hold 11 long guns (only have 2 so far) with 1/2 max rack and 1/2 shelving and I don't anticipate buying too many so I think that'll be ok.

ended up costing $2725 so quite an investment O.o

Ended up going for the #2 interior. figured it'd be more modular and I could just add shelves myself if needed. Plus it was cheaper

WWDHD?
03-02-2011, 1:41 AM
32x24 with a 6ft height? Very nice. With the fire lining thats got to be + or - around 1000lbs. or so, right?
No doubt, $2725 is a lot of dough, but you got a lot of security for your dollar. You'd have to spend a lot more to get the same or more anywhere else.
Post here when you get that beast set-up and tell us how you like it.

zoglog
03-02-2011, 6:13 PM
32x24 with a 6ft height? Very nice. With the fire lining thats got to be + or - around 1000lbs. or so, right?
No doubt, $2725 is a lot of dough, but you got a lot of security for your dollar. You'd have to spend a lot more to get the same or more anywhere else.
Post here when you get that beast set-up and tell us how you like it.

Will do.

Then afterward I'm gonna load it up with all sorts of stuff and light my house on fire to test that expensive fire lining! j/k :)

and yes 980lbs.... I'm in for quite a bit of difficulty -_-

WWDHD?
03-02-2011, 10:57 PM
Whoever drops that safe off at your house maybe they'll wheel it into your garage if they have a pallet jack for a tip, or a cold drink, or both. Did you watch the videos on the Sturdy site on safely moving safes? Youtube has some too. My brother and me moved my 650lb+ safe into the house and it was hard but not to bad. Have lots of help and be careful with that big cool safe.

Sailormilan2
03-03-2011, 7:10 AM
I have one of the Costco Cannon made safes. It has worked very well for the past 8 years, until December when the LeGard electronic lock went out.
Fortunately, the lock is covered under a lifetime warranty by Cannon, and they replaced it with a manual at my request.
Safe cracker said that Cannons are decent safes, and have good fire resistance.
Per the guy who fixed it, LeGard locks are not good locks, His recommendation was an S&G lock(Sargeant and Green), which is what Cannon had sent me as a replacement.
I have no problems with the Cannon safe, other than it is getting too crowded, so I need to look at getting another one.

East County
03-03-2011, 7:34 AM
Liberty Safes- Presidential are top of the line with all the bells, etc. And look very nice, although not cheap. I did have a Cannon for years worked great but mine didn't have a very good fore rating, of course it was 1/4 of what I paid for the Liberty.

tube snake boogie
03-03-2011, 7:13 PM
I ended up with a Amsec BF 6032 in the closet and a Superior (mini tank) in the garage, with the S and G D-Drive and both bolted to the foundation. Safes have come a long way with the pdos, and hopefully they will not shrink and I am good to go for a few years!!

:):rolleyes:

mryy
03-03-2011, 8:09 PM
FYI, some other Calgunner previously mentioned that the owner of Patriot Safe is a registered sex offender (edit: pedophile). I checked Megan's Law website, and it's true. Too bad, as I was considering the Collector myself.

zoglog
03-03-2011, 10:11 PM
FYI, some other Calgunner previously mentioned that the owner of Patriot Safe is a registered sex offender (edit: pedophile). I checked Megan's Law website, and it's true. Too bad, as I was considering the Collector myself.

https://www.patriotsafe.com/assets/images/patriot-safe-customers-thank-you-patriot-1.jpg

Which guy has the pedo smile ;)?

But no seriously..... you're gonna need to provide some citation and proof =p

mryy
03-03-2011, 11:04 PM
Shows owner of www.patriotsafe.com and his address.
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/patriotsafe.com

Search his name on Megan's Law website...same address.
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

kermitz
03-04-2011, 12:27 AM
I ended up with a Amsec BF 6032 in the closet and a Superior (mini tank) in the garage, with the S and G D-Drive and both bolted to the foundation. Safes have come a long way with the pdos, and hopefully they will not shrink and I am good to go for a few years!!

:):rolleyes:

Good choice on the BF 6032. What are your impressions of this safe so far? I'm waiting on my tax return to pick mine up.

zoglog
03-09-2011, 1:11 PM
well sturdy just arrived
quite heavy for a modest size safe 32x24x72


Got the fire lining :). Sure it aint no looker esp compared to the amsec BF, but it's got 7 gauge steel

one thing I noticed is that there aren't bolts on the top and bottom. I noticed some other safes do that. Is that actually helpful?

Kodemonkey
03-09-2011, 1:35 PM
well sturdy just arrived
quite heavy for a modest size safe 32x24x72

Got the fire lining :). Sure it aint no looker esp compared to the amsec BF, but it's got 7 gauge steel

one thing I noticed is that there aren't bolts on the top and bottom. I noticed some other safes do that. Is that actually helpful?

It just serves as a weak point IF the person attacking the safe knows that the bolts are only along the long sides of the safe. Kind of surprised on a 7 gauge steel safe that they don't have bolts on all sides. That's a good amount of steel.

Kodemonkey
03-09-2011, 1:42 PM
Shows owner of www.patriotsafe.com and his address.
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/patriotsafe.com

Search his name on Megan's Law website...same address.
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

The whois lookup isn't working for details (it's blocked even with the internic). Remember that the people on the Whois aren't necessarily employees of the company and often are the Sysadmins that are contracted to host the services. I've been on my share of whois registrations for companies that have hired me to do their NIC registrations.

SteveMartin
03-09-2011, 5:06 PM
I bought an Amsec BF6636 today. The new models in this size come with the door organizer and an extra pull handle.

3 weeks and it'll be home. Almost as bad as the 10-day jail. :o

zoglog
03-09-2011, 5:32 PM
bolted down :D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/184314_10150110235144142_533879141_6570868_3006534 _n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188285_10150110236464142_533879141_6570870_861562_ n.jpg

Man that thing was heavy watching the guys move it around. Glad to know that my frickin $$$$ AR and pistols are now safe from smash and grabs.

Burgher
03-09-2011, 9:06 PM
Your post does not specify a location but if you are near the San Fernando Valley I would suggest Dean Safe and Security in Van Nuys. I bought my safe there and they bolted it down to the foundation.



FYI: Dean Safe is in Arleta and Simi Valley
http://www.deansafe.com/

WWDHD?
03-10-2011, 1:26 AM
Check out the videos on the Sturdy site. The safe door fits so tight in the frame that you can't get any kind of a prybar or chisel in the gap to try to pry the top or bottom of the door out. The frame is so rigidly made that you only need the bolts on the sides.

zoglog
03-10-2011, 9:28 PM
It came with this sticker to put on :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200674_10150111132684142_533879141_6577981_6414100 _n.jpg

Not sure if it helps.
Sure it might scare some thiefs, but it also tells them that it's vulnerable to torch attacks. After all there wouldn't be any danger of explosion unless they got through :)

kattyjames111
03-11-2011, 4:11 AM
Hey guys,

I recently bought a house so now it looks like I got no excuse to get a safe and get it bolted in the Garage floor. Can anyone recommend any safes? Was browsing around some website and they all look about the same....

Looking for a medium size safe (6 gun maybe?)
Probably looking for a vendor that will bolt it to the ground for me as well.

I agree with all of the above suggestions. It is important to have security at home. You can have cameras installed at your garage for more safety.

zoglog
03-11-2011, 11:49 AM
camoflauge looks like it'll be tougher than I thought. At first I thought people would only see the side of the safe but it looks like i'll need to camoflage the front as well.

WWDHD?
03-12-2011, 1:10 AM
Order one of those big military surplus camoflauge nets form Cheaper Than Dirt! You can hide a helicopter with one of those!
One good idea I read was to put a cardboard refrigerator box over the safe and write in big black felt pen "Xmas Tree/decorations" on it. Urban camo!

zoglog
03-12-2011, 2:40 AM
how did this become "How to catch a predator" ;)?

MikeinnLA
03-15-2011, 7:05 PM
FYI: Dean Safe is in Arleta and Simi Valley
http://www.deansafe.com/

I was in there today. They have a great selection and the salesman took a lot of time with me, no pressure. I've decided on a Liberty Franklin. 6 feet tall & 42" wide which will fit nicely in the 48" wide recess I have in my bonus room (which is located on the ground floor, thank God, it's 1,035 lbs.!). I asked the salesman about combo vs digital locks and he had an interesting point. He said that many people get so sick of the combo lock that they end up leaving the door ajar if they're in & out of it a lot. I'll be keeping my watch collection in mine, so I'll be in there every day for the "watch 'o the day", so I think I'll go electronic. The battery compartment is on the OUTSIDE, so I don't see the danger. This place only charges 75 bucks to bolt it down which seemed like a real deal to me.

Mike

TurboChrisB
03-15-2011, 9:05 PM
$75 to bolt it down is as cheap as it gets. Good Job.

WWDHD?
03-16-2011, 1:38 AM
The Liberty Franklin was on my short list when I was shopping for a safe. Looks great and very nice interiors. Wish lighting and power plugs were available on the Sturdy I bought like you get on the Franklin. Oh well, can't have everything.

DLaw
04-13-2011, 3:28 PM
I like Visalia safes personally. Great people and product..