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Headly Jones
01-17-2011, 3:24 PM
I live in CA and I want to sell some excess ammo for guns I dont own anymore. Can I sell the ammo to a friend without having to meet all the regulations of the new ammo law in CA ?

Librarian
01-17-2011, 3:40 PM
Your requirement is face to face exchange and see the buyer's ID, from PC 12318.12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer of
ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face
transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A
violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

Headly Jones
01-17-2011, 3:41 PM
so thats only for handgun ammunition ?

Librarian
01-17-2011, 3:46 PM
That's what the law says.

Andy Taylor
01-17-2011, 4:16 PM
You can sell it before the end of the month without seeing an ID.

AndrewMendez
01-17-2011, 4:24 PM
The good thing about this is criminals don't have id's. :rolleyes:

NorCalDustin
01-17-2011, 4:30 PM
The good thing about this is criminals don't have id's. :rolleyes:

lol... good thing!

captn-tin
01-17-2011, 4:58 PM
criminals don't have ID ???????????Are you sure ? they could have yours!!!

speeedracerr
01-17-2011, 5:02 PM
LOL... for a moment I was thinking we needed to do a FTF transfer at an FFL dealer and pay some type of registration fee and fill out some type of Form 4473 for Ammo PPT! :mad:

IGOTDIRT4U
01-17-2011, 5:04 PM
49 rounds at a time?

Beelzy
01-17-2011, 5:26 PM
49 rounds at a time?

That's what I plan on doing. :D

Librarian
01-17-2011, 6:36 PM
49 rounds at a time?

That's what I plan on doing. :D

You could do that, I s'pose, but there's nothing in the law as passed that refers to a limit.

bsim
01-17-2011, 9:49 PM
I just got the giggles over the ID requirement for PPT'ing ammo. Dunno why, but how in the world would they prove guilt unless the buyer was an LE in a "sting"?

LE: "Where'd you get this ammo son?"
Guy: "Some dude, a few weeks ago at the range. I ran out, and he had extra."
LE: "Did you show him ID?"
Guy: "Nope."
LE: "He's guilty of a misdemeanor! Where do we find him?"
Guy: "Dunno, look for the slightly overweight middle-aged fella at Angeles range."

destro360
01-17-2011, 9:58 PM
LOL... for a moment I was thinking we needed to do a FTF transfer at an FFL dealer and pay some type of registration fee and fill out some type of Form 4473 for Ammo PPT! :mad:


soon! if ca and the us keeps headed in the direction its going...

AndrewMendez
01-17-2011, 10:05 PM
criminals don't have ID ???????????Are you sure ? they could have yours!!!

Oh I am sure. They also don't have illegal guns they use in crimes. :rolleyes:

hoozaru
01-17-2011, 10:27 PM
Your requirement is face to face exchange and see the buyer's ID, from PC 12318.

so are we suppose to memorize the buyer's ID number?

what if I have a really bad memory and always lose what I wrote on or made copies of. Will that be a misdemeanor too?

Librarian
01-17-2011, 10:54 PM
so are we suppose to memorize the buyer's ID number?

what if I have a really bad memory and always lose what I wrote on or made copies of. Will that be a misdemeanor too?

Doesn't say you have to remember it or write it down.

Just more things about the law that show no one really thought about the practicality; it was just the annoyance and FUD they were going for. See, our legislators are not failures!

Mstrty
01-17-2011, 11:35 PM
49 rounds at a time?

There is no limit.

IntoForever
01-17-2011, 11:53 PM
Does it say which side of the ID we have to see? Do I have to see the whole thing? Do I have to see enough to know if the ID matches the buyer? Can I just see their photo and call it good? Do I need to ensure it's valid/not expired? Satan forbid if the card has expired the owner ceases to be a legitimate human being! If I'm forced to abide by that idiotic law, I'm going to pervert it as much as possible.

glockwise2000
01-17-2011, 11:59 PM
12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer of
ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face
transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A
violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

Would this mean any form of ID? Employer, passport, marijuana card, DL, CA ID, etc..... etc......?

Dragon
01-18-2011, 12:17 AM
What if its a fake ID ?

Carnivore
01-18-2011, 12:55 AM
What if its a fake ID ?

Do they make bona fide evidence of fake identity?

IntoForever
01-18-2011, 9:09 AM
12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer of
ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face
transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A
violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

Would this mean any form of ID? Employer, passport, marijuana card, DL, CA ID, etc..... etc......?

Glockwise, thanks for posting that.

That's the entire regulation on handgun ammo??? Was the author stoned or just stupid? That thing has more holes than an industrial cheese grater! I really don't want to cover any as I don't want to give them any ideas however this... just... f'ing WOW!!! Hell with the aspirin, I need a fist full of Vicodin! I feel like I lost major IQ points just reading that simpleton mess! Maybe the Aide's 2nd grader child scribbled it down with a crayon at the daycare?

1) They didn't even get specific on "being provided bona fide
evidence of identity from the purchaser". This is open to interpretation and can mean the buyer has to create a 'bona fide' ID for me to use.
2) Bona Fide from where? Points previously covered in this thread? Can a library card suffice? Disney Land season pass? I'm sure it's bona fide to D Land.
3) Do I need to be provided an ID each time the same person receives ammo from me?

This regulation would be funny except I'm sure a major amount of taxpayer's money went in to the writing of that POS and quite a few kickbacks, riders and payoffs.

GrizzlyGuy
01-18-2011, 9:23 AM
Keep in mind that 12316 (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12316.html) and other PC sections related to ammo sales exist now and will still be in effect. Some of the things you can't do:

1) You can't sell ammo to a prohibited person.
2) You can't sell ammo to a person under 18.
3) You can't sell handgun ammo to a person under 21.

Wherryj
01-18-2011, 10:22 AM
criminals don't have ID ???????????Are you sure ? they could have yours!!!

I'm pretty sure that all of the execs at Enron had ID?

kraqus
01-19-2011, 5:10 PM
Wasn't this part of AB962 that was recently crushed?

pitchbaby
01-19-2011, 5:16 PM
I guess this thread can be shut down...

In this case because of some really great news!

Librarian
01-19-2011, 5:16 PM
Yes. Now moot, so closed.