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SanPedroShooter
01-14-2011, 8:29 AM
Does anyone reload for 7.62 tokarev? I have been doing some reading, and it seems pretty straight forward. I am thinking about getting a Cz-52. How about components? I see that most die makers make a 7.62 tok, if only in steel. Starline makes brass, the lyman manual uses 93g hornady FMJ's. I cant seem to find any.
What is the nominal barrel diameter, .310? For cast, something i dont do, yet, lyman uses .311
Thanks for the input, and would you rate this caliber as easy or hard for someone who just started reloading for bottlenecked rifle rounds. I see that the 7.62t also has a bottleneck and headspaces accordingly

nick
01-14-2011, 8:44 AM
You can get the brass from the PRVI ammo. SOG sells it at $11-12/box of 50, or so.

SanPedroShooter
01-14-2011, 8:46 AM
Sweet! thank you. I cant seem to find it on the sog site. Maybe i am looking at the wrong sog... I did find it at midway and few other places. The bullets are what i am after, the lyman manual lists bullets that hornady doesnt carry anymore, i think. Their manual (hornady) lists one HP-XTP at 90 grains

nick
01-14-2011, 9:19 AM
I wonder if the .30 carbine bullets might work. They're heavier at 110gr though.

Sorry, it's not PRVI, it's Wolf Gold at SOG. Same thing.

http://www.southernohiogun.com/ammunition-1/wolf-7-62x25-ammo-50rd-box-brass-boxer.html

bumpo628
01-14-2011, 9:48 AM
Surplus ammo for the tokarev is really cheap. You can get a spam can of 1260 rounds for about $100 delivered from J&G Sales. That's about 8 cents per round. I don't think you can reload for that price. It's corrosive, but that's no problem if you clean after each session.

I just bought two more cans because you reminded me. Thanks!

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/ammo-for-handguns/7-62x25-30-tokarev/p/7-62x25-polish-fmj-1260rd-in-can/cPath/25_28/products_id/3145

iareConfusE
01-14-2011, 10:10 AM
Surplus ammo for the tokarev is really cheap. You can get a spam can of 1260 rounds for about $100 delivered from J&G Sales. That's about 8 cents per round. I don't think you can reload for that price. It's corrosive, but that's no problem if you clean after each session.

I just bought two more cans because you reminded me. Thanks!

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/ammo-for-handguns/7-62x25-30-tokarev/p/7-62x25-polish-fmj-1260rd-in-can/cPath/25_28/products_id/3145

Yep. I was looking into reloading 7.62x25, but then I remembered that the prices for surplus ammo was WAY cheaper than if I reloaded my own rounds, so I decided against it. The Tokarev is incredibly easy to clean, so the ammo being corrosive isn't a problem. The only advantage I can see to reloading in this caliber is to get around AB962.

SanPedroShooter
01-14-2011, 10:13 AM
I have seen the surplus, but i want to reload for several reasons, control of supply, in the long run, is as important as cost to me. But yeah, i will probably buy a couple cases too..

SanPedroShooter
01-14-2011, 10:15 AM
I wonder if the .30 carbine bullets might work. They're heavier at 110gr though.

Sorry, it's not PRVI, it's Wolf Gold at SOG. Same thing.

http://www.southernohiogun.com/ammunition-1/wolf-7-62x25-ammo-50rd-box-brass-boxer.html

I thought about 30 carbine bullets too, but there too heavy. At first glance anyway. I need to do more research. As far as the loaded ammo goes, s&b also makes a brass/boxer too. I think would rather buy the surplus cans if i was going with factory loaded.
I would also like to point out what sweet looking gun the Cz-52 is. It reminds me of a walther ppk.
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/thumbnail.jpg

bumpo628
01-14-2011, 1:16 PM
Another nice gun in the caliber is the TT-33

zfields
01-14-2011, 2:20 PM
you can also convert the tt-33 into 9mm with a under 100$ barrel.

bumpo628
01-14-2011, 2:45 PM
you can also convert the tt-33 into 9mm with a under 100$ barrel.

Do you have a link for that?

JAGGUY
01-14-2011, 3:12 PM
I don't reload much Tok ammo since the surplus is so cheap but what I have I used cut down .223 brass. Works fine and .223 brass is all over the place for free. Easy to resize using standard sizer die.

tujungatoes
01-14-2011, 4:46 PM
The 90grn hornady would would be the way to go. they have data for it in their manual. I see Hornady and speer both make a short jacketed 100grn plinker bullet for .30 carbine also. They ought to work, but you'd be in (somewhat)uncharted territory for the powder charge with the heavier bullet. I'd do it, but that's me. YMMV

Brasspolisher
01-14-2011, 8:10 PM
I've loaded a few with the Lee die set, using S&B brass salvaged from fired rounds, Sierra 85 grn .308 bullets labeled "for handguns only" (Natchez has them at the moment), and Accurate #2 powder.

The starting load using these components is too weak to cycle the action on a stock CZ52. Once you get into proper functioning territory, one of the 52's "character traits" comes into play: it slings brass across entire ZIP codes. Anyone located to the right at the range will not think of you as a good neighbor. (Once at an outdoor range in AZ, I had to apologize for bouncing a case off the hood of a guy's truck, parked several spaces over and about 20' behind where we were shooting.)

With the expense of the bullets, the extra steps required to load bottlenecked cases using steel dies, and a recovery rate of the precious boxer-primed brass running down around one in five, I kind of checked the "been there, done that" box and went back to shooting cheap, abundant, and disposable surplus, as others have mentioned.

The CZ52 is a really fun piece, and definitely worth tracking down, especially at the price of the pistol and (surplus) ammo. Just try to choose the rightmost lane. :)


P.S. Thanks for the .223 tip, JAGGUY!

VegasND
01-14-2011, 8:15 PM
Do you have a link for that?
I bought one of these a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=595100A&catid=8694
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/images/catalog/595100.jpg
Under $50 delivered. It doesn't use the 7.62 barrel bushing and they're out of stock on the 9mm bushing. I need to get a 7.62 bushing and open it up.

Anybody have one they want to give up cheap?

As soon as I can get the bushing I'm going to try it in my Polish and my Yugo.

bumpo628
01-14-2011, 8:38 PM
I bought one of these a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=595100A&catid=8694

Thanks! I bookmarked it.
I'll wait until they have the bushing in stock, otherwise it would drive me nuts.

SanPedroShooter
01-16-2011, 5:42 AM
I am pretty sure you can convert the Cz-52's to 9mm as well. I think i saw one on gunbroker.
Brasspolisher, thanks for the tip, thats pretty funny! I avoid public ranges, but i will keep it mind.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=211884251

Vlad 11
08-20-2011, 9:15 PM
Fast Forward 8 Months:

Now that 7.62x25 surplus has gone into a severe dry spell, reloading it makes a lot more sense . Here's a good vid on converting .223 bras to 7.62x25. Would have never thought of that.

MhG08yQGD38&feature=player_embedded

chknlyps2
08-21-2011, 8:00 PM
Fast Forward 8 Months:

Now that 7.62x25 surplus has gone into a severe dry spell, reloading it makes a lot more sense . Here's a good vid on converting .223 bras to 7.62x25. Would have never thought of that.

Wow, thats pretty cool, lots of work but real cool to know.

Bladeshark
08-31-2011, 4:24 PM
That was a good vid, thanks for posting it. I picked up a tubing cutter and cut a few .223 brass at a little over an inch, per the video.

They are recommending using a N guage drill (0.302 in/7.671 mm) to ream out the brass to get it into spec. It seems the .223 has thicker walls.

Has anyone tried another way to thin the brass besides using a drill? Just seems kinda odd to me.

Jim

Bladeshark
09-14-2011, 8:16 PM
That was a good vid, thanks for posting it. I picked up a tubing cutter and cut a few .223 brass at a little over an inch, per the video.

They are recommending using a N guage drill (0.302 in/7.671 mm) to ream out the brass to get it into spec. It seems the .223 has thicker walls.

Has anyone tried another way to thin the brass besides using a drill? Just seems kinda odd to me.

Jim


I loaded up 16 of these with 8.0 grains of power pistol. Couldn't get them to chamber in the CZ-52. I think the neck is too thick.

RogueSniper
12-14-2011, 8:39 PM
I'm bring thread back to the top.

I'm going to try the .223 --> 7.62 Tok conversion. I found this site and it pretty much identical to the YouTube one.

http://www.surplusfirearm.com/2011/04/22/223-to-7-62x25-cartridge-conversion/

Case Trimming and Neck Turning is the only part I haven't grasped, yet. I've never had to convert a case.

http://surplusfirearm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/223-conv-002-300x288.jpg

Bladeshark
12-15-2011, 7:16 PM
Good luck with it. I never picked up something to thin the necks so I got stopped there.

RogueSniper
12-15-2011, 8:30 PM
The neck thinning process is something completely foreign to me. I understand the need because the brass is too thick to take the bullet.

It'll be my Winter project. I don't have a Tok, but I can test it on my buddy's CZ52! I was planning on getting the Tok barrel for my 1911.

Bladeshark
12-16-2011, 7:24 PM
I made around 30 of these seemingly without trouble. When I went out to the range with them I couldn't get the CZ-52 to chamber them. It just wouldn't go into battery. The extra thickness just stopped it in its tracks. Bummed me out too.

Bladeshark
01-21-2012, 5:01 PM
RogueSniper - any update on your progress?

I just broke down and ordered the RCBS Case Forming Die Set - 7.62mm Tokarev from 223 Remington (RCBS #: 58202). Expensive, but we'll see how it works.

RogueSniper
01-21-2012, 11:33 PM
I just got the Lee Tokarev dies (Steel) from Grafs. They were out of stock for a bit. I have the trimmer and stuff. I just cut down a couple of .223 cases a few days ago. I'll try to load a few dummy rounds and function feed them through my cousin's Tok.

RogueSniper
03-28-2012, 6:14 PM
I finally got some time to try making some rounds. I've cut, resized, and trimmed 25 cases. They look good! I'm using my 1911 Tokarev barrel as my go-no go gauge and they're dropping in perfectly. I still can't shoot any because I need to do some smithing work on the barrel - file back the hood and such so the barrel will fit.

I'm planning to make a couple of dummy rounds and try to test for any feeding issues.

Bladeshark
03-28-2012, 7:48 PM
I finally got some time to try making some rounds. I've cut, resized, and trimmed 25 cases. They look good! I'm using my 1911 Tokarev barrel as my go-no go gauge and they're dropping in perfectly. I still can't shoot any because I need to do some smithing work on the barrel - file back the hood and such so the barrel will fit.

I'm planning to make a couple of dummy rounds and try to test for any feeding issues.

Glad you're making progress!

RogueSniper
03-28-2012, 9:58 PM
I had to play around with the OAL so they would feed into the 38Super mag for my Colt. They're still good in the barrel. I'm just achin' to load some live rounds and use my cousin's Tok as a guinea pig! :)

The cases are PMC and GFL (Fiocchi). I'm saving the Lake City stuff. I read that the LC cases are slightly thicker so I'm skipping the step where I have to ream the necks. I'm expanding the mouth to .301 and the seating the bullets (Hornaday .308 86gr Soft Point RN). I've made five dummy rounds so far.