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Anchors
01-14-2011, 12:39 AM
My grandpa on my mom's side of the family is Tunisian (French Tunisian).
He was born there and my mom lived there until she was like 10.

I was wondering if there are any C&R rifles form Tunisia specifically?
Like maybe a mauser or carcano with Tunisian proofs? I thought it would be nice to have.

I see the modern military's Honor Guard is using polished mausers here.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Tunisian_guard_-_North_Africa_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg

bigstick61
01-14-2011, 2:08 AM
Any C&R stuff would in all likelihood not be marked by Tunisia but rather be French. It's possible that some French weapons were marked by units or agencies specific to that colony but I cannot say for sure. You could look at Lebels, MAS-36s, etc.

Anchors
01-14-2011, 3:20 AM
Darn. I'll just buy a Turk Mauser and pretend the star and crescent are Tunisian haha.

Milsurp Collector
01-14-2011, 7:31 AM
A movie you might be interested in seeing is Days of Glory (Indigenes) (http://www.amazon.com/Days-Glory-Indigenes-Samy-Naceri/dp/B000NVT0RU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1295021787&sr=1-1).

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61vSh%2BTcAEL.jpg

It is the story of some Algerian soldiers who fought for the French in World War II. Like Tunisia, Algeria was a French North African colony prior to World War II. It's a good movie that was nominated for the Best Foreign Language Film Academy Award in 2007.

It shows the French Algerian troops using various US arms that we supplied to the French forces, including M1917s.

http://i38.tinypic.com/9stde0.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/dvrk37.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/2898ops.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/122g42h.jpg

bigstick61
01-14-2011, 11:30 AM
Just get something French from colonial days. I would imagine colonial days are a brighter spot for most pieds noirs anyways.

glennsche
01-14-2011, 1:01 PM
so your family were "Pied Noir" ey?

well, Algeria was for all practical purposes part of france from mid 19th to mid 20th century; it was divided into arrondisments etc and was administered differently from, say, colonial africa or s.e. asia... algeria was for a brief time france. but well im sure you know this already :)

as for algerian specific arms, i think the syrians were the only mediterranean french possession which had their own manufacturer, i've not heard of "algerian" this or that.

Anchors
01-14-2011, 1:49 PM
so your family were "Pied Noir" ey?

well, Algeria was for all practical purposes part of france from mid 19th to mid 20th century; it was divided into arrondisments etc and was administered differently from, say, colonial africa or s.e. asia... algeria was for a brief time france. but well im sure you know this already :)

as for algerian specific arms, i think the syrians were the only mediterranean french possession which had their own manufacturer, i've not heard of "algerian" this or that.

No, but close. Tunisian.
French Tunisian Jews. haha.

Too bad there aren't any guns specifically Tunisian marked around.


I will check out that movie though.

Interloper
01-14-2011, 2:12 PM
Obviously, there should be huge numbers of French weapons in Tunisia. I'm not sure how well MAS 36's were distributed through the colonies. It wouldn't surprise me at all if indigenous forces and gendarmes were armed exclusively with Berthiers and Lebels.
After gaining independence in the 50's, Tunisia probably needed to modernize it's military. Like many other nations they may have purchased surplus Mausers to retire obsolete arms. So in answer to your question...no. I doubt there are Tunisian made arms. Your best bet would be a Lebel or Berthier.

My great uncle fought in France's war in Algeria. From all accounts he suffered what we today call PTSD. He said it was an ugly, ugly war. I guess he contracted some kind of protozoan or something that completely ruined his guts. Poor guy. :(

bigstick61
01-15-2011, 1:30 AM
I agree with a Lebel. The last weapon used in colonial Tunisia as a standard issue rifle was the MAS-49 and those are available in the U.S. as well, so that would be a good choice, too.

Anchors
01-15-2011, 3:11 AM
Obviously, there should be huge numbers of French weapons in Tunisia. I'm not sure how well MAS 36's were distributed through the colonies. It wouldn't surprise me at all if indigenous forces and gendarmes were armed exclusively with Berthiers and Lebels.
After gaining independence in the 50's, Tunisia probably needed to modernize it's military. Like many other nations they may have purchased surplus Mausers to retire obsolete arms. So in answer to your question...no. I doubt there are Tunisian made arms. Your best bet would be a Lebel or Berthier.

My great uncle fought in France's war in Algeria. From all accounts he suffered what we today call PTSD. He said it was an ugly, ugly war. I guess he contracted some kind of protozoan or something that completely ruined his guts. Poor guy. :(

That is a shame. I can imagine.
I knew my other grandpa was in the Army (I finally found out he was an Officer in the reserve and then became an Officer in the Coast Guard).
My Tunisia grandpa was also in the U.S. Army. I forgot about this because no one in my family ever talks about it. I'm not sure when he was in or what he did. I just thought it was strange that a non-citizen (which he is now) would have been able to join the Army.

I agree with a Lebel. The last weapon used in colonial Tunisia as a standard issue rifle was the MAS-49 and those are available in the U.S. as well, so that would be a good choice, too.

The MAS-49 looks pretty sweet and not even that expensive.
I bet ammo is a pain to find though if you don't reload (I don't).
Stupid Tunisia not being a real country enough to produce their own guns.
I wonder if they even make their own to this day. Probably not. Probably have old Commie AKs.

bigstick61
01-15-2011, 2:07 PM
That is a shame. I can imagine.
I knew my other grandpa was in the Army (I finally found out he was an Officer in the reserve and then became an Officer in the Coast Guard).
My Tunisia grandpa was also in the U.S. Army. I forgot about this because no one in my family ever talks about it. I'm not sure when he was in or what he did. I just thought it was strange that a non-citizen (which he is now) would have been able to join the Army.



The MAS-49 looks pretty sweet and not even that expensive.
I bet ammo is a pain to find though if you don't reload (I don't).
Stupid Tunisia not being a real country enough to produce their own guns.
I wonder if they even make their own to this day. Probably not. Probably have old Commie AKs.

7.5 French can be found at good prices from Prvi Partizan. AIM has it for $13.95/box ($13.75 in quantity). It comes in the standard military load, so the sights will be calibrated for the loading.

Interloper
01-15-2011, 8:04 PM
7.5 French can be found at good prices from Prvi Partizan. AIM has it for $13.95/box ($13.75 in quantity). It comes in the standard military load, so the sights will be calibrated for the loading.

MUCH easier to find than the various flavors of 8x50r. And lord help you if you get a Berthier with the original 3 round magazine. Those clips are as scarce as hen's teeth.

bigstick61
01-16-2011, 1:47 AM
MUCH easier to find than the various flavors of 8x50r. And lord help you if you get a Berthier with the original 3 round magazine. Those clips are as scarce as hen's teeth.

And Prvi makes that as well. Love those guys.

harmoniums
01-16-2011, 7:45 AM
Probably have old Commie AKs.

I believe they use Steyr AUGs

a.tinkerer
01-16-2011, 4:57 PM
Ryan-


Good success to you in your search.
Those mausers look chrome plated to me, not just polished.

Have you put "tunisian rifle" in a google box yet with quotation marks and hit the search button?
I just did and saw a fair bit of good conversation and documentation on the topic.
I haven't yet done an image search, but I'm thinking that a bit of experimentation with search phrases with quotations might get you closer to what you want to see.





Cheers
Tinker

Anchors
01-16-2011, 6:59 PM
I believe they use Steyr AUGs

I am surprised and impressed by that.

Ryan-


Good success to you in your search.
Those mausers look chrome plated to me, not just polished.

Have you put "tunisian rifle" in a google box yet with quotation marks and hit the search button?
I just did and saw a fair bit of good conversation and documentation on the topic.
I haven't yet done an image search, but I'm thinking that a bit of experimentation with search phrases with quotations might get you closer to what you want to see.


Cheers
Tinker

I had tried that. I know of all the little google tricks, but couldn't seem to find anything solid. I will try again since I was limiting my search to milsurp/C&R type stuff.

harmoniums
01-16-2011, 7:30 PM
I am surprised and impressed by that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_AUG

Scroll to the bottom to see the list of countries that use it.

heres a pic

http://images.imagehotel.net/o2j4bktos8.jpg

Interloper
01-16-2011, 7:30 PM
A GIS search of "Tunisian Army" turns up one pic of soldiers with AUGs. Can't find any other evidence for or against.

Here's the honor guard pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Tunisian_guard_-_North_Africa_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg/401px-Tunisian_guard_-_North_Africa_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg
Definitely Mausers. I think a MAS 36 or 49 would make a sweet looking parade rifle but there you have it. My best guess is that they bought Mausers on the surplus market in the late 40's.

a.tinkerer
01-16-2011, 7:59 PM
Second link from the first page, includes photos...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0V_AbiDARMQJ:www.montecassinobelved ere.com/version-anglaise.php%3Fpage%3D4em-RTT-en+%22tunisian+rifle%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Very milsurpish.
It should give you fuel for further search.

I am surprised and impressed by that.



I had tried that. I know of all the little google tricks, but couldn't seem to find anything solid. I will try again since I was limiting my search to milsurp/C&R type stuff.







Cheers
Tinker

Anchors
01-16-2011, 9:52 PM
A GIS search of "Tunisian Army" turns up one pic of soldiers with AUGs. Can't find any other evidence for or against.

Here's the honor guard pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Tunisian_guard_-_North_Africa_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg/401px-Tunisian_guard_-_North_Africa_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg
Definitely Mausers. I think a MAS 36 or 49 would make a sweet looking parade rifle but there you have it. My best guess is that they bought Mausers on the surplus market in the late 40's.

That is the picture I posted in the OP :D

Second link from the first page, includes photos...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0V_AbiDARMQJ:www.montecassinobelved ere.com/version-anglaise.php%3Fpage%3D4em-RTT-en+%22tunisian+rifle%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Very milsurpish.
It should give you fuel for further search.


Cheers
Tinker

Good link, thank you.

bigstick61
01-18-2011, 12:41 AM
A GIS search of "Tunisian Army" turns up one pic of soldiers with AUGs. Can't find any other evidence for or against.

Here's the honor guard pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Tunisian_guard_-_North_Africa_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg/401px-Tunisian_guard_-_North_Africa_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg
Definitely Mausers. I think a MAS 36 or 49 would make a sweet looking parade rifle but there you have it. My best guess is that they bought Mausers on the surplus market in the late 40's.

I don't see why France would have bought Mausers when there were more than enough MAS-49s, MAS-36s, Lebels, Berthiers, and other weapons to go around, not to mention the stuff they got from the U.S. If anything they were captured German weapons from WWII that were put to that use since they would not have made sense to use due to logsitical concerns.

a.tinkerer
01-24-2011, 7:43 PM
Ryan-


...Good link, thank you.



What have you found in your follow-up research?







Cheers
Tinker

bigstick61
01-24-2011, 9:21 PM
There's a scoped MAS-49/56 and MAS-36 for sale at Fal Files last time I checked. Might wanna check it out.

paul0660
01-24-2011, 9:29 PM
The story is as important as the gun.

Anchors
01-24-2011, 9:33 PM
Nothing of interest has presented itself yet.
Maybe I should call the Tunisian Embassy (if such a thing exists haha).