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1-M-42
01-12-2011, 6:19 PM
Picked up a Saginaw S.G. carbine from a family friend today, it's been wrapped in a blanket for 20 plus years. I've never had a carbine before so read up on disassembly and watched a couple of videos. Every thing going well until I started to remove the op rod spring, op rod popped forward and the bolt somehow rotated up and partially out of the receiver. Now everything is stuck solid. Cant' get the spring out because the op rod can't go fully forward. Can't get the op rod off and the bolt won't rotate or move.

To all the Carbine Gurus out there, help me out with some pointers. I'm familiar with firearms and am not a total dunce....just not sure what the Hell happened and how to fix it.

Thanks.

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Milsurp Collector
01-12-2011, 6:46 PM
Can you post some pictures? It's hard to help without seeing the problem.

FYI, you normally remove the recoil spring and guide with the bolt closed and the operating slide forward. Push the guide back slightly and unseat it from the operating slide and the guide and spring come out easily.

jetcobra428
01-12-2011, 6:51 PM
You should be able to get the recoil spring and guide out by applying pressure on it towards the buttstock then lift it out. When you get those out everything should loosen up.

1-M-42
01-12-2011, 6:52 PM
Yeah, I know. I had the receiver assembly upside down, when I started to close the action the bolt rotated and the bolt head is now angled up and out. Nothing is lining up and it's all screwed up. I'll get some pics posted in a few.

1-M-42
01-12-2011, 7:12 PM
Photo links added to original post

Mac Attack
01-12-2011, 7:14 PM
I have had this happen on my carbine. Can you get the bolt to move forward so you can pull it out?

1-M-42
01-12-2011, 7:20 PM
Nope, won't go back, won't go forward, won't rotate. I'm pretty sure when the op rod popped off the locking pin and slammed forward it jammed it up somehow. I'm just not familiar enough with the system to start forcing stuff.

Milsurp Collector
01-12-2011, 7:21 PM
It looks like the operating slide is free of the bolt. You should be be able to pull back on operating slide handle so the operating slide is all the way to the rear, then wiggle the bolt until it is free of the receiver. Then let the operating slide go forward and remove the recoil spring, guide, and operating slide as usual.

1-M-42
01-13-2011, 5:53 PM
Thanks to everyone who helped. It took a rather large brass hammer wielded by a carbine expert in Sac. None the worse for wear and went back together like it's supposed to.

Eat Dirt
01-13-2011, 6:03 PM
WOW ........ That was a close one

Glad it went back together O K

Dr.Mauser
01-13-2011, 8:31 PM
i know its solved, but this helped me haha so if anyone else needs help with their carbine go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3PRrOBLNoY&feature=related

dfletcher
01-13-2011, 9:35 PM
Thanks to everyone who helped. It took a rather large brass hammer wielded by a carbine expert in Sac. None the worse for wear and went back together like it's supposed to.

Now the bad news is - that's how it's supposed to come apart ..... :(

Actually, when you remove the op rod spring the next move is to pull the bolt to the rear, line up the cut on the right side of the receiver rail, line up the cut on the left side of the barrel with the op rod and give it a slight twist and out it comes. Remove the trigger assembly and it's a bit easier.