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Corky43
08-10-2006, 6:26 AM
Finally got a chance to see this movie. (yea. I am the guy who waits for it to come out on DVD). This movie is a must see. It accurately describes what can happen when people become complacent. A nation without guns is controlled by a government that uses force and intimidation to control its citizens. It has an amazing parallel to what is happening now. And what can happen if we continue to be complacent.

five.five-six
08-10-2006, 6:28 AM
the last revew her said that it should have been named "P for puke" or "V for Vomit" or somthing like that

Corky43
08-10-2006, 6:47 AM
The film is full of small scenes of various Controversial issues, but you need to look at the overall picture and what can happen.

floorance
08-10-2006, 7:58 AM
Personally, I hated it. Thats 2hours of my life I'll never get back.

chris
08-10-2006, 9:10 AM
liked it pretty good movie. i don't think i would buy the movie on DVD though.

50 Freak
08-10-2006, 9:29 AM
I liked it until they shaved the chicks head....then the movie got ugly.:D :D

gose
08-10-2006, 9:39 AM
NO! Don't waste two hours of your life watching that crap. Spend 2 mins downloading a pic of Natlie Portman, look at it for 3 mins and then go to sleep for 1h55min. That would be 2h much better spent.

The Soup Nazi
08-10-2006, 9:43 AM
I will never forgive Natalie Portman for sucking in Star Wars.

chickenfried
08-10-2006, 9:44 AM
My favorite depiction of an oppressive government is Demolition Man starring "I am the law" and "always bet on black"

50 Freak
08-10-2006, 10:13 AM
I will never forgive Natalie Portman for sucking in Star Wars.

Ever since she played Mathilda in The Professional, I've liked her.

Frankly, Star Wars had many many other problems and Natalie Portman wasn't one of them.

Pokey
08-10-2006, 12:47 PM
My favorite depiction of an oppressive government is Demolition Man starring "I am the law" and "always bet on black"

Not to mention Stallon swearing at the little floating police robot to get enough tickets for wiping his butt.:eek:

The Soup Nazi
08-10-2006, 12:51 PM
He doesn't know how to use the three seashells!

mailman
08-10-2006, 12:54 PM
Murder Death Kill

gose
08-10-2006, 1:39 PM
I will never forgive Natalie Portman for sucking in Star Wars.
Was about to write a post about sucking, forgiveness and Natalie Portman, but since it would have been somewhat inappropriate I won't ;)

anotherone
08-10-2006, 2:13 PM
Frankly, Star Wars had many many other problems and Natalie Portman wasn't one of them.

Ahem... the biggest of these problems was that a greedy director hungry to feed his ego and bank account decided to create this monstrosity and tarnish a classic trilogy. The new Star Wars trilogy doesn't even deserve to be played in the same DVD player as the original.

adamsreeftank
08-10-2006, 2:20 PM
Ahem... the biggest of these problems was that a greedy director hungry to feed his ego and bank account decided to create this monstrosity and tarnish a classic trilogy. The new Star Wars trilogy doesn't even deserve to be played in the same DVD player as the original.

I thought the last one was kind of OK. The first two sucked big time though.

grammaton76
08-10-2006, 2:21 PM
I thought the last one was kind of OK. The first two sucked big time though.

Hated the first, was ok with the second, liked the third.

I want that critter Kenobi was riding into Grevious's lair! I'd love commuting to work on that thing!

stag1500
08-10-2006, 2:24 PM
In "V for "Vendetta" I liked how the Police Vans had the saying, "For Your Protection," or something close to that. :rolleyes:

When I read that I couldn't help but think about the Patriot Act and how our government can tap our phones without a warrant and snoop into our bank accounts, credit card statements and library records without a warrant all "for our own proection." Not to mention that they can detain us without trial if we're suspected of being terrorists. After all, if you're not with the government you must be against them. :mad:

I wish more movies that expose the tyranny of government would be made. You all should check out "From Freedom to Fascism" which is coming out soon.

nosewitdot
08-10-2006, 2:52 PM
that movie was awesome...

leelaw
08-10-2006, 3:32 PM
I haven't seen it yet, but have heard from friends who have about the same tastes in movies as me that I would like it. The government is shown as Republican/Conservative, I've heard, and that'll piss me off for sure.

Natalie Portman - nothing can excuse her for Star Wars I - III. Ever. Period. Especially not after this: http://www.apt401.com/portmanclinton.jpg Scuzzy Paris-loving, America-hating Liberal.

chickenfried
08-10-2006, 3:33 PM
You've got your high beams on...

grammaton76
08-10-2006, 3:43 PM
I haven't seen it yet, but have heard from friends who have about the same tastes in movies as me that I would like it. The government is shown as Republican/Conservative, I've heard, and that'll piss me off for sure.

I absolutely hold that movie in the lowest contempt. For why, see this - the creator of the original comic, and I, are in absolute agreement as to what this film represents. The Wachowski Brothers belong in the same boat as Michael Moore, although they're worse because they don't even have the testicles to say their opinions without corrupting another man's work to slant it for their own agenda.

Alan Moore, however, distanced himself from the film sight unseen, as he has with every screen adaptation of his works to date. He ended cooperation with his publisher, DC Comics, after its corporate parent, Warner Bros., failed to retract statements about Moore's supposed endorsement of the movie.[9] After reading the script, Moore remarked that his comic had been "turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country.... [This film] is a thwarted and frustrated and largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values standing up against a state run by neoconservatives ó which is not what [the comic] 'V for Vendetta' was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about [England]." He later adds that if the Wachowskis had wanted to protest what was going on in America, then they should have used a political narrative that spoke directly at America's issues, similar to what Moore had done before with Britain.[10] The film changes the original message by arguably having changed "V" into a freedom fighter instead of an anarchist.

Natalie Portman - nothing can excuse her for Star Wars I - III. Ever. Period. Especially not after this: http://www.apt401.com/portmanclinton.jpg Scuzzy Paris-loving, America-hating Liberal.

I swear those high beams had to have been photoshopped on. Unless of course she actually was aroused by being next to that. That scares me on a whole different level!

rorschach
08-10-2006, 4:41 PM
Shes smuggling raisins!

I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed the new trilogy. Sure it doesnt hold a candle to the originals, but I thought they were all pretty good, especially Ep. III.

As for V is for Vendetta, I have to agree the movie was hideous. Read the original Alan Moore graphic novel, it's much more enjoyable. Same goes for League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, also by Moore.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm afraid if they ever turn the Alan Moore/Dave Gibbons masterpiece "Watchmen" into a film, it will fail as miserably as his other screen adaptations have. Theres no way they can cram the whole story into 2 or even 3 hours. More like 8 hour HBO miniseries.

Who Watches The Watchmen??

Bishop
08-10-2006, 5:25 PM
JESUS leelaw!

After seeing that picture you posted, I've been twitching involuntairily! You can't put that next to THAT! I swear, if I looked at it for more than 10 consecutive seconds I'd suffer a stroke!

Oh man... can't... look... away... *pop*

EDIT: I looked again, and have a serious migraine.

nosewitdot
08-10-2006, 6:08 PM
with connections like that...no wonder Bill stayed with her.

TMC
08-10-2006, 6:22 PM
In "V for "Vendetta" I liked how the Police Vans had the saying, "For Your Protection," or something close to that. :rolleyes:

When I read that I couldn't help but think about the Patriot Act and how our government can tap our phones without a warrant and snoop into our bank accounts, credit card statements and library records without a warrant all "for our own proection." Not to mention that they can detain us without trial if we're suspected of being terrorists. After all, if you're not with the government you must be against them. :mad:

I wish more movies that expose the tyranny of government would be made. You all should check out "From Freedom to Fascism" which is coming out soon.

Tinfoil hat time

Name one way your life has been changed or intruded upon by the Patriot Act. If you don't want any of your "info" checked by the gov. or the people you pay to keep track of it (banks, phone company, cable company, etc.) then drop out, give up your phone, deal in cash only, drop you loans and bank accounts, no more internet,.. there, you're safe.

How would you stop terrorists without "intelligence work"?

Are you one of thoes people who complain about the Patriot Act and also blame Bush for not "connecting the dots" before 9/11, please make up your mind.

I guess the way to fix the problem of our goverments "tyrany" in protecting us from terroriests is to do what they do in V and blow up the goverment buildings.....oh wait, thats what terrorists are trying to do.

M. Sage
08-10-2006, 6:32 PM
The best lines, I thought, were when the two cops were talking about what was going to happen... It was something like:

"And then what will happen?"

"The same thing that always happens when people without guns fight people with guns."

Hanniballs
08-10-2006, 7:12 PM
the last revew her said that it should have been named "P for puke" or "V for Vomit" or somthing like that

Yup. Yup. Actually just watched this movie yesterday. What a waste of time.

leelaw
08-10-2006, 7:23 PM
JESUS leelaw!

After seeing that picture you posted, I've been twitching involuntairily! You can't put that next to THAT! I swear, if I looked at it for more than 10 consecutive seconds I'd suffer a stroke!

Oh man... can't... look... away... *pop*

EDIT: I looked again, and have a serious migraine.

Meh, I heard she was a Libtard before, then I saw the picture and it sealed it for me.

<quiver>

And it's not a Photoshop, she's actually friendly to that hag.

<convulsions> Get a spoon!!

Matt C
08-10-2006, 8:03 PM
V was ok all the way to the end, yeah a bunch of unarmed people in masks storming an armed barricade.,.......and it works. Yeah right, maybe if they all had ARs! :)

saki302
08-10-2006, 8:09 PM
The ultimate sin is the CGI band which replaced the puppets in the DVD release of Empire Strikes Back. And the young Anakin ghost in the end of ROTJ.

I almost puked.

-Dave

grammaton76
08-10-2006, 8:20 PM
The ultimate sin is the CGI band which replaced the puppets in the DVD release of Empire Strikes Back. And the young Anakin ghost in the end of ROTJ.

All this, and you don't mention that Han's supposed to shoot first?

stag1500
08-10-2006, 10:30 PM
TMC,

If there was a Democrat in the White House right now who came up with the Patriot Act, which in effect did away with the 4th Amendment, you would be screaming left and right, "This is unconstitutional! How dare those Democrats invade my privacy?! How dare they hold me without a trail?!"

However, because there's a Republican in the White House right now, all of a sudden it's o.k. "if the govement spy's on me. I didn't do anything wrong. Why should I care if the government looking in my bank account?" It's o.k. if a Republican does it but it's not o.k. if a Democrat does.

WAKE UP!!!!

You're not going to feel the same way if Hillary Clinton or Al Gore had all the power that George Bush has now!

You know what, you really should spend a few years in a Communist country like North Korea or Cuba or even Russia. You would definitely learn a lot.

stag1500
08-10-2006, 10:32 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to quote Ben Franklin for you:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

socalguns
08-10-2006, 10:59 PM
Are you one of thoes people who complain about the Patriot Act and also blame Bush for not "connecting the dots" before 9/11, please make up your mind.

Wise up, the Patriot Act doesn't magically make Bush (or his staff) smarter.

leelaw
08-10-2006, 11:11 PM
TMC,
<snip>

The Temper Tantrum Forum is....... Thatta way --------------->

socalguns
08-10-2006, 11:13 PM
Finally got a chance to see this movie. (yea. I am the guy who waits for it to come out on DVD). This movie is a must see. It accurately describes what can happen when people become complacent. A nation without guns is controlled by a government that uses force and intimidation to control its citizens. It has an amazing parallel to what is happening now. And what can happen if we continue to be complacent.

YES, definetly a must see.
Its very captivating, kicking, and very cool,
and doesn't come off as pompous
(despite being set in Britain, you know, with the British :))

The movie is a damn masterpiece, from every perspective;
from storyline, cinematography, dialogue, casting,
down to the execution, and even marketing!
A critical and financial succes.
If you've seen The Matrix trilogy, its everything the Matrix
was promised to be but failed to deliver.
All the critics who say its crap were either offended
by the ideas in the movie (such a liberty, parallels between current life),
or were expecting it to be porn.

avidone
08-10-2006, 11:25 PM
YES, definetly a must see.
Its very captivating, kicking, and very cool,
and doesn't come off as pompous
(despite being set in Britain, you know, with the British :))

The movie is a damn masterpiece, from every perspective;
from storyline, cinematography, dialogue, casting,
down to the execution, and even marketing!
A critical and financial succes.
If you've seen The Matrix trilogy, its everything the Matrix
was promised to be but failed to deliver.
All the critics who say its crap were either offended
by the ideas in the movie (such a liberty, parallels between current life),
or were expecting it to be porn.

Right on. I agree. I could not believe the response to this movie in a previous thread that got locked down: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=30502&highlight=vomit

saki302
08-11-2006, 3:05 AM
All this, and you don't mention that Han's supposed to shoot first?

After seeing that CGI band, I.. just.. forgot.. everything else... like a Jedi mind-melt.

-Dave

The Soup Nazi
08-11-2006, 7:06 AM
Dude, Greedo totally shot first, if it weren't for him, we wouldn't all be making fun of Rodians who tried to shoot us at pointblank range.

grammaton76
08-12-2006, 1:30 AM
V for Vendetta was one of the best movies I've ever seen. Anyone who's conservative sensibilities are offended by this movie needs to let go of their party-line BS and realize that both political parties are the devil.

Actually, you need to let go of your clinging to American politics and realize that they butchered the original author's work! I don't have issues with them wanting to make political statements - I have issues with them being cowards who, in their desire to make their own Moore film, totally altered the original author's work to make it all about this current administration. I mean, really - if they would've taken the effort they put into it and NOT dated it by making it a blatant Bush-bashing movie, it would be just as relevant 20 years from now as when it first came out. If they wanted to make an anti-Bush Matrix movie or something silly like that then fine, let 'em do that. But what they did to V for Vendetta went beyond typical Hollywood ticket-sales garbage, as it was 100% based off of their selfish political motivation.

They took something that would've been perfectly valid for all times, and turned it cheap and dated. The original author hates the movie for what the Wachowski brothers did to his work, and I completely agree.

leelaw
08-12-2006, 1:48 AM
Hmm, I saw some interview with Natalie Portman, where she said that the people of a counrty should be able to overthrow a tyrranical government "and that's why we have the right to bear arms"

That raised my eyebrow a little bit. Dunno if she said it in character, or because she actually feels it, since it goes against some of her previous comments on gun control.

socalguns
08-12-2006, 4:05 AM
She says
http://www.netribution.co.uk/2/content/view/361/267/

QUESTION: The film talks about action and reaction and of course Israel was formed as a reaction to the Holocaust. There is Holocaust imagery in the film. Do you see yourself as kind of the link in the movie to these things?

ďNo, I mean people see . . . itís such a group of images and details from different governments across time, the graphic novel from which the movie is pretty faithful to was written in 1984, the script was written in the mid-1990s, and is obviously coming out now where it seems to be incredibly resonant for the moment and about a very specific thing. But the fact that it applies to so many different real-life situations, whether itís Thatcherís England or todayís America or todayís Iraq or, you know, Nazi Germany, probably the only thing you can gather from it is that governments have similar themes. Thereís different totalitarian, or totalitarian-like, aspects even to governments that are democratic, and thereís always been a history of people rising violently against oppressive governments.

ďThe reason we have the right to bear arms in the United States is because the colonists, the settlers, didnít like the way the British were oppressing them, so they wanted their citizens always to have the right to rise violently against the government. Thatís from there. Obviously thereís the Bakunin stuff in Russia, Von Trapp during World War 2, and there is Begin against the British in Palestine. Itís so constantly over time that to apply it to a specific thing is great but it certainly isnít supposed to relate directly to a specific time and place. And itís amazing to see different peopleís reactions because depending on their own personal background is how they interpret the real life correlate.Ē

stag1500
08-12-2006, 8:44 AM
"V for Vendetta was one of the best movies I've ever seen. Anyone who's conservative sensibilities are offended by this movie needs to let go of their party-line BS and realize that both political parties are the devil."

I agree. The Republican and Democratic Parties are simply two branches of the same statist (i.e. big government) party and each of them competes against the other for the spoils of corruption. Both parties have progressively made government bigger and more intrusive in our lives. Moreover, both parties try to impose their own morality on the people through the legislature.

The Republican Party has moved so far the left in the last 40 years that if John F. Kennedy were alive today, he'd be a Republican!

Ratters
08-12-2006, 8:46 AM
Actually, you need to let go of your clinging to American politics and realize that they butchered the original author's work! I don't have issues with them wanting to make political statements - I have issues with them being cowards who, in their desire to make their own Moore film, totally altered the original author's work to make it all about this current administration. I mean, really - if they would've taken the effort they put into it and NOT dated it by making it a blatant Bush-bashing movie, it would be just as relevant 20 years from now as when it first came out. If they wanted to make an anti-Bush Matrix movie or something silly like that then fine, let 'em do that. But what they did to V for Vendetta went beyond typical Hollywood ticket-sales garbage, as it was 100% based off of their selfish political motivation.

They took something that would've been perfectly valid for all times, and turned it cheap and dated. The original author hates the movie for what the Wachowski brothers did to his work, and I completely agree.

I actually liked the movie. I read the book fifteen years ago in college and thought it would make a great movie. But I actually waited till last night to watch it as I knew the movie was going to be different and had to prepare myself for that. I really think they blew it in parts with some of the changes, especially deleting some of the great monologues in the book by V and the chancellor, but looking at it as an independent film from the book I liked it well enough. Can't get everything we want. :(

JPN6336
08-12-2006, 4:59 PM
I could live with the CGI band, I just kinda laugh at Greedo's lack of accuracy when he shot first and missed, but when they put that stupid kid from the prequels at the end of ROTJ I damn near lost it.

As for V for Vendetta, I saw the political comment they were making against Bush (it really wasn't concealed very well) and tried to ignore it to judge the movie on its own merits and it was ok. It wasn't good but it wasn't as big a waste of time as others. As Californians I'm sure we all know the people with no common sense who are supportive of gun conrol efforts and hate Bush just because their favorite celebrities do. If you can't learn to nod and smile while a true sheep with no common sense who can't think form themselves is revealed to you, you'll go nuts.

Bishop
08-13-2006, 2:26 PM
I'm going to see this tonight (free with hollywood video's "if we don't have it, STFU N00B!!" policy) (I see a lot of movies I wouldn't normally see that way).

I'll keep this thread in mind while I watch...

chickenfried
08-13-2006, 11:01 PM
From an interview with Alan Moore
It's a thwarted and frustrated and perhaps largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values [standing up] against a state run by neo-conservatives ó which is not what "V for Vendetta" was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about [England]. The intent of the film is nothing like the intent of the book as I wrote it. And if the Wachowski brothers had felt moved to protest the way things were going in America, then wouldn't it have been more direct to do what I'd done and set a risky political narrative sometime in the near future that was obviously talking about the things going on today?

http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/interviews/m/moore_alan_060315/

The original author hates the movie for what the Wachowski brothers did to his work, and I completely agree.

TheMan
08-14-2006, 9:56 AM
After seeing that CGI band, I.. just.. forgot.. everything else... like a Jedi mind-melt.

-Dave

I am familiar with a tuna melt, is a mind melt similar?
:D

Clodbuster
08-14-2006, 11:33 AM
Then you should really see "Leon" - the uncut international version of the Professional. You'll like her more... :D

Clod


Ever since she played Mathilda in The Professional, I've liked her.

Frankly, Star Wars had many many other problems and Natalie Portman wasn't one of them.

Clodbuster
08-14-2006, 11:43 AM
Funny, I always thought Clinton was the dictator. Through all the scandals, only way he would ever step down from power would've been through a civil war...and only if his side lost...

For some reason, I don't think Bush has the brains to be a dictator. Unless acting like a moron is part of the show.


Clod

You know, every time I see people complain that this movie attacks Bush, I just have to laugh. Did it ever occur to anybody that maybe the reason why it seems that V attacks Bush is because Bush so perfectly fits the stereotype of a fascist dictator? Did it ever occur to these people that the probelm doesn't lie with the director/writer/producer, but with Bush? This reminds me of all those people who said that George Lucas modeled emperor Palpatine after Bush, even though that character was written over 20 years ago. If a man fits every generic profile of a fascist dictator, there is a problem with the man. I can't wait for someone here to read "1984" and say "that book sucked, it was so politically biased, all it did was attack Bush". Sounds like some people need to wake up.

Kestryll
08-14-2006, 11:54 AM
Just a reminder or two.
This forum is for Legal gun related discussion not the political debates forum.
Second no matter where you are posting the rules are civilty and courtesy when posting, nothing too drastic here yet but a friendly reminder before it goes down that road can't hurt.