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NYY
01-09-2011, 7:40 PM
have a coyote problem... Cant decide on whether to use my WInchester Model 1876 .45-75 or my M91/30 Mosin nagant... hard choice. what would you choose and WHY?

bob7122
01-09-2011, 7:41 PM
mosin

Noonanda
01-09-2011, 8:04 PM
Mosin, or let me come up and we can shwack em with my AR's LOL

ElvenSoul
01-09-2011, 8:07 PM
A 22lr will drop a yote

NYY
01-09-2011, 8:10 PM
HAHA orrr..... my AR, AK47, .22, or 12 gauge... and Soul, a .22 will stop one? no way...

Mssr. Eleganté
01-09-2011, 8:16 PM
I was just watching a stop-motion animated version of Peter and the Wolf the other night on PBS and the wolf hunters were using a scoped Mosin-Nagant. So it should be good for coyotes too.

NYY
01-09-2011, 8:18 PM
Interesting. And our coyote is veryyy skinny and desperate. wouldnt be surprised if a paintball gun would drop him

TNP'R
01-09-2011, 8:19 PM
id go with a mosin and blow a big hole in it.

NYY
01-09-2011, 8:39 PM
haha nice thinkin

Argonaut
01-09-2011, 8:50 PM
45-75? That ammo must be expensive!!!

OHOD
01-09-2011, 8:54 PM
throw on a big ten gallon hat, chaps and boots,

Start talking like a cowboy..."Weeyulll pahdna, I got me a prublem with some of them there coyotes. Yup, gonna fix my prublem."

Grab your trusty winchester 45-75 and clack right on out your cabin door. :)
and shoot you some of them there yotes.

mauser98k
01-09-2011, 9:25 PM
i'd leave the wildlife alone. maybe that's just me now, unfortunately.

TregoMark
01-09-2011, 9:32 PM
Where oh where is procoyotehunter and his unissued M1 Garands when we need him....

NYY
01-09-2011, 9:35 PM
i'd leave the wildlife alone. maybe that's just me now, unfortunately.

took 3 chickens and a rabbit... sorry but, too late to be nice

dangerranger
01-09-2011, 9:44 PM
HAHA orrr..... my AR, AK47, .22, or 12 gauge... and Soul, a .22 will stop one? no way...


Ive shot alot of coyotes with a 22lr. at under 50yds they do just fine. the last two I shot were with a 17mach2. one through the base of the skull, and the other through the lungs. neither took more than one step after the shot. they are just small dogs, if they are hit right they are done. DR

Anchors
01-09-2011, 9:53 PM
i'd leave the wildlife alone. maybe that's just me now, unfortunately.

Yeah me too.
But if you have to dispatch one, I would grab the mosin.
Seems the quickest and if it's good enough for Nazi hunting it's good enough for coyote hunting.

Argonaut
01-09-2011, 9:59 PM
Nazi hunting? The German's killed 4 Russians to every one they lost. Probably not the best analogy.

Croweman08
01-09-2011, 11:16 PM
use the 73 and blow the coyote in half!!!

R1145
01-10-2011, 12:05 AM
I think light, fast and flat-shooting is the way to go with varmints, but you've outlined the choice. You don't say how long your '76 is (carbine? musket?).


Mosin-Nagant:

+
Ammo abundant;
Better long-range trajectory;
No worries if the rifle gets dinged up in the brush;

-
Slower follow-on shots (practical difference probably negligible given the recoil of the .45/75, though);
Sights not designed for close-in, quick moving game;
Excessive bulk and length;


Winchester:

+
Faster lever-action (again, probably offset by the recoil factor);
Possibly handier weapon (if it's a carbine);
Possibly better sights (I don't know about the '76, but the '94s have that buckhorn sight that's good for moving targets);
Cowboy cool factor;

-
Ammo rare and expensive (you could come up with some light loads if you roll your own, though I am led to understand that the '76 action is none too strong for smokeless powder. Are you limited to BP?);
Possibly rare and expensive gun you wouldn't want banging around in the back of the pickup all day;
.45/75 is basically a short-range big-game number, with few advantages for varmints.

Overall, advantage: Mosin-Nagant. It's the utilitarian choice, cheap, rugged, easy to feed. It's bulky, heavy and over-powered, but you have the advantage of long-range fire, at least.

You really should just use the shotgun...

Anchors
01-10-2011, 1:19 AM
Nazi hunting? The German's killed 4 Russians to every one they lost. Probably not the best analogy.

That is true. No wonder Nazi Germany won the war....oh wait.

Just because more Soviets died than Nazis doesn't mean they didn't hunt Nazis.
There were also way more Russians than Germans available to die.
64% of Germany's military were killed.
65% of Russia's military were killed.

This shows indeed that the Nazis clearly fought more effectively since Russian had more people total and couldn't use it to cause the Germans to have a higher casualty rate.
But they still fought and they were on the winning team.

ElvenSoul
01-11-2011, 10:22 AM
Back in the 50's my great uncle dropped a bull elk with a 22 short pistol... It was breaking into the hay barn on the family farm in CO. Respect the 22 it has killed just about every form of life out there.

Datamancer
01-11-2011, 1:22 PM
Interesting. And our coyote is veryyy skinny and desperate. wouldnt be surprised if a paintball gun would drop him

Capture him, feed him, make a friend out of him...




...then train him to assassinate other coyotes.

-~D~-

HskrVern
01-11-2011, 1:37 PM
Ive shot alot of coyotes with a 22lr. at under 50yds they do just fine. the last two I shot were with a 17mach2. one through the base of the skull, and the other through the lungs. neither took more than one step after the shot. they are just small dogs, if they are hit right they are done. DR

I grew up shooting cyotes with a Armscor 22lr, I loved that pos rifle.

NYY
01-11-2011, 2:05 PM
Capture him, feed him, make a friend out of him...




...then train him to assassinate other coyotes.

-~D~-

hahaha i literally laughed out loud when i read this.

NYY
01-11-2011, 2:06 PM
Alright guys so my choice of the Mosin nagant or the winchester are out of the decision making process. I think I am going to choose my .223 AR-15 with a sure fire red dot? yeah?

Killawhale415
01-11-2011, 2:26 PM
Where oh where is procoyotehunter and his unissued M1 Garands when we need him....

Hohoho

Haggar85
01-11-2011, 6:08 PM
.22 ultra magnum < 7.62

spencerhut
01-12-2011, 7:19 AM
A 22lr will drop a yote

Sure it will, you are correct. But you need to precisely place your shot. Please be a little more humane and use a centerfire. Just because it's a varmint does not mean it should suffer. Yeah, yeah I'm a softy. I only take good shots and I cringe when I don't make a clean kill, which is rare these days.

The mosin? That should be a humane kill with most ammo.

mls343
01-12-2011, 8:52 AM
Your AR is my yote weapon of choice. However, nothing says "over" like a 30-06 from a trusty M1 Garand - from a Coyote perspective.

Blaze Kenobi
01-12-2011, 9:05 AM
Do them in with a mosin nagant and blow their head off like a sniper in WWII!

Bhobbs
01-12-2011, 9:15 AM
If it is really that sick and skinny why not run out there and hit it with a shovel?

SilentScream
01-13-2011, 5:57 PM
Mosin worked for me just fine....

NYY
01-13-2011, 6:48 PM
damn son! nice kill. Yeah this yote is a crazy one.. been feeding it chicken stuffed with rat poison but keeps coming back after it eats it... i just want to hunt it already! :p

brassballs
01-13-2011, 7:03 PM
have a coyote problem... Cant decide on whether to use my WInchester Model 1876 .45-75 or my M91/30 Mosin nagant... hard choice. what would you choose and WHY?

Your Moslin is the best choice, if its a still shot. moving use the ar.

just say'n

a.tinkerer
01-13-2011, 8:55 PM
Where I live, we hit them with whatever we have in our hands.
With coyote, there's no 'ethical kill' BS to consider.
If you wound one, it's mates will finish the job soon enough.

I suggest you shoot them with whatever makes you grin more.
Bring both rifles and see which one makes you happier when you're shooting those miserable critters.





Cheers
Tinker

6079Winston
01-13-2011, 9:16 PM
If you can tweak the 3 ball guard load for a .45-70 to work in your .45-75 that would be my first choice. Or just use whatever is handy, that's usually what happens anyway.

gunboat
01-13-2011, 9:28 PM
My vote is 22lr, a shovel, and don't ask don't tell --

rojocorsa
01-13-2011, 9:55 PM
Vintovka.

ElvenSoul
01-13-2011, 10:03 PM
Friend's kid used a pellet gun.

Ergo the Qualmed
01-13-2011, 10:11 PM
Vintovka.

Yes, винтовка-снаиперская is the best choice. The Mosin, bitte.

Disclaimer: I have never hunted coyotes, but I trust ammo is more common for the Mosin than the 45-75? And that both will do the job?

rojocorsa
01-13-2011, 10:20 PM
Yeah, I mean, you can go to Big 5 and get Winchester x54R JSPs...probably cheaper than .45-70.

NYY
01-13-2011, 10:43 PM
Where I live, we hit them with whatever we have in our hands.
With coyote, there's no 'ethical kill' BS to consider.
If you wound one, it's mates will finish the job soon enough.

I suggest you shoot them with whatever makes you grin more.
Bring both rifles and see which one makes you happier when you're shooting those miserable critters.





Cheers
Tinker

Yes. I love everything that was just said in this response. thank you

Anchors
01-14-2011, 1:22 AM
damn son! nice kill. Yeah this yote is a crazy one.. been feeding it chicken stuffed with rat poison but keeps coming back after it eats it... i just want to hunt it already! :p

So much for "humane".
If you're going to taunt it with food laced with rat poison repeatedly then you might as well beat it with a brick and put it out of its misery.
I don't see anything sporting or humane about poisoning an animal before you hunt it. I hope it dies a quicker, more painless death soon.

Sorry if anyone disagrees (which I'm sure most of you will). That is just how I feel about it.

a.tinkerer
01-14-2011, 8:36 AM
Humane has nothing to do with it-


So much for "humane".
If you're going to taunt it with food laced with rat poison repeatedly then you might as well beat it with a brick and put it out of its misery.
I don't see anything sporting or humane about poisoning an animal before you hunt it. I hope it dies a quicker, more painless death soon.

Sorry if anyone disagrees (which I'm sure most of you will). That is just how I feel about it.


Coyote are a disease animal and should be reduced with any means available.
You can't kill enough of them.
If you want to consider sport, go watch a pack of coyote kill a blacktail, then go kill a few of the stinking bastards.





Cheers
Tinker

spencerhut
01-14-2011, 8:52 AM
Humane has nothing to do with it-





Coyote are a disease animal and should be reduced with any means available.
You can't kill enough of them.
If you want to consider sport, go watch a pack of coyote kill a blacktail, then go kill a few of the stinking bastards.
Tinker

Out where I live, in the sticks, people complain about the coyotes. They shoot them, poison them whatever. Then they complain about the squirrels getting out of control and poison them. I saw a whole nest of baby owls a few years ago die from eating poisoned squirrels. Owls and coyotes eat squirrels & other pests. Do coyotes cause problems, sure they do. I've shot many over the years for eating my cats, dogs, birds or goats. Like it or not we share the planet with them. No one is served by wiping them out, they do serve a purpose in nature. Cull them when they get too bold, that is fine with me. If we shoot them all, there will be none left to shoot and what fun would that be. Everything in moderation.

Flame suite on.

a.tinkerer
01-14-2011, 8:58 AM
We don't wait for them to eat our livestock or attack our kids, and the only thing I want to share with them is ammunition!


...Do coyotes cause problems, sure they do. I've shot many over the years for eating my cats, dogs, birds or goats. Like it or not we share the planet with them. No one is served by wiping them out, they do serve a purpose in nature. Cull them when they get too bold, that is fine with me. If we shoot them all, there will be none left to shoot and what fun would that be. Everything in moderation.

Flame suite on.



All that share the earth crap is fine, just not on my ranch or anywhere near it.
I'm the one with the rifles, and I'm happy to choose which animals I want to see near my property.






Cheers
Tinker

magsnubby
01-14-2011, 11:51 AM
When i was younger i worked on a turkey ranch. A little later in life i raised livestock (hogs and cattle). I've saw first hand what even a sick scroungy yote can do to livestock. Exterminate them by any means necessary.

vincentvangerven
01-14-2011, 12:41 PM
some guys here have some great hunting ethics.. you can be real proud of yourselves.

you know real disease animals ? well here's one for ya; humans... should we shoot them all? you know, just too keep them under control and all.


nothing against hunting, but some people shouldn't be allowed to hunt to begin with with the ethics they display. this is just fuel for the anti hunting crowd an i can't blaim them when there's a buch of monkey's out there shooting them in the *** with 22's & pellet guns

a.tinkerer
01-14-2011, 12:55 PM
Look dude-


some guys here have some great hunting ethics.. you can be real proud of yourselves.

you know real disease animals ? well here's one for ya; humans... should we shoot them all? you know, just too keep them under control and all.


nothing against hunting, but some people shouldn't be allowed to hunt to begin with with the ethics they display. this is just fuel for the anti hunting crowd an i can't blaim them when there's a buch of monkey's out there shooting them in the *** with 22's & pellet guns


If you have a self-loathing problem, the 'final solution' for yourself is pretty simple. Think globally? Act locally.

For the rest of us who actually live and work around coyote, it's a management issue.

I won't sign my property and livestock over to a mangy ridge-dog.
Forget about it.






Cheers
Tinker

magsnubby
01-14-2011, 1:28 PM
some guys here have some great hunting ethics.. you can be real proud of yourselves.

you know real disease animals ? well here's one for ya; humans... should we shoot them all? you know, just too keep them under control and all.


nothing against hunting, but some people shouldn't be allowed to hunt to begin with with the ethics they display. this is just fuel for the anti hunting crowd an i can't blaim them when there's a buch of monkey's out there shooting them in the *** with 22's & pellet guns

We're not talking about hunting some majestic animal like a lion or elk. A coyote is nothing buy a pure predator. They don't care if it's a ground squirrel or your baby girl's kitten. And contrary to popular belief, Coyotes do kill for the sport of it. I've saw it first hand. Coyotes are like cockroaches, they should all be exterminated.

NYY
01-14-2011, 1:44 PM
here you go all.. say what you want about it. I only agree with him (Twain) and want this creature to stop eating our chickens that we've spent much time to raise...Mark Twain described the coyote as: a living, breathing allegory of want. He is always hungry. He is always poor, out of luck and friendless. The meanest creatures despise him, and even a flea would desert him for a velocipede.

vincentvangerven
01-14-2011, 1:44 PM
pardon me being vague i guess. :p
-name me an animal that doesn't spread disease. using just that as an excuse to justify to shoot them is a bit simple.

-hunting should be done in a humane & responsible way, not with underpowered projectiles, saying it's good enough just to wound them is just bad.

Yes i've shot at furry little animals before, am no treehugger, but with all this 'kill em all with whatever you gan get ahold off' talk you might eventually find yourself without a hunting permit, and rightfully so.

So to go back to the first posting, i think you'd be more then allright with either gun.

Anchors
01-14-2011, 3:02 PM
Basically what I'm trying to say.

If you need to shoot them for infringing on your property then do it. No problem.

Just use something that will put them down.
And as for poisoning them? I hope your animals eat the poisoned food to teach you a lesson about respecting wildlife and nature.
I am certainly not a tree hugger or against hunting either, I just think there is a certain level of understand and respect for the wildlife that should be a part of it.

That said, either one of those should put it down pretty effortlessly.

a.tinkerer
01-14-2011, 6:39 PM
The coyote is the disease.

The Self-Loathing anti-human crap just doesn't fly with me at all.


pardon me being vague i guess.
-name me an animal that doesn't spread disease. using just that as an excuse to justify to shoot them is a bit simple.


This guy has it straight. Coyotes will kill animals (wild or livestock, it just doesn't matter) and fling their guts around - then leave the carcass.
Total waste of resource.
A coyote is nothing buy a pure predator. They don't care if it's a ground squirrel or your baby girl's kitten. And contrary to popular belief, Coyotes do kill for the sport of it. I've saw it first hand.


Where I live there is no license requirement to hunt coyote.
Kill as many of them as you can whenever you like with whatever gun you wish.
I don't use poison and don't allow it on my ranch.

The OP should have a great time with his rifles, in Condor country too if he can get proper Condor-Area projectiles - and I think he can.


In CA regulations are a little different than in NV, but the coyote is considered a nongame animal.

From Fish and Game (http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/uplandgamebirdregs.asp)

Chapter 6. Nongame Animals
§472. General Provisions.

Except as otherwise provided in Sections 478 and 485 and subsections (a) through (d) below, nongame birds and mammals may not be taken.

(a) The following nongame birds and mammals may be taken at any time of the year and in any number except as prohibited in Chapter 6: English sparrow, starling, coyote, weasels, skunks, opossum, moles and rodents (excluding tree and flying squirrels, and those listed as furbearers, endangered or threatened species).


§475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals.

Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows:

(a) Poison may not be used.

(b) Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings.

(c) Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations.

(d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammal only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code.

(e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.

(f) Methods of take within the California condor range. Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to use or possess projectiles containing more than one percent lead by weight while taking or attempting to take any nongame birds or nongame mammals in those areas described in Section 3004.5, Fish and Game Code.

(1) For purposes of Section 475, a “projectile” is defined as any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot, shot, pellet or other device which is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.

(2) Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to possess any projectile containing lead in excess of the amount permitted in subsection 475(f) and a firearm capable of firing the projectile while taking or attempting to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal within the area described in subsection 475(f). The possession of a projectile containing lead in excess of the amount allowed in subsection 475(f) without possessing a firearm capable of firing the projectile is not a violation of this section.




I see coyote on the same level as roaches or rats.
They don't qualify for ethical consideration as far as I'm concerned.

Go ahead and kill or don't kill as many coyote as you wish.
I will continue to kill them on sight with anything I have at hand that will do the job.










Cheers
Tinker

vincentvangerven
01-14-2011, 6:48 PM
alright, since you keep going on about it; there's nothing meant to be self loathing here. the argument that coyote's are disease spreaders and therefore should be killed is nonsense in my opinion.
Any living thing, including humans can carry diseases. If you're so scared of you or your cat or parrot getting a disease from another creature then you best lock yourself up and not deal with anybody or anything any more. :D

a.tinkerer
01-14-2011, 6:50 PM
There is no argument.
I'm not saying that they are disease spreaders.

They ARE the disease.

Get it?



Cheers
Tinker

vincentvangerven
01-14-2011, 6:56 PM
:beatdeadhorse5:

magsnubby
01-14-2011, 8:48 PM
:beatdeadhorse5:

If you don't stop beating that horse i'm calling the SPCA on you.

Anchors
01-14-2011, 10:32 PM
The coyote is the disease.

The Self-Loathing anti-human crap just doesn't fly with me at all.





This guy has it straight. Coyotes will kill animals (wild or livestock, it just doesn't matter) and fling their guts around - then leave the carcass.
Total waste of resource.



Where I live there is no license requirement to hunt coyote.
Kill as many of them as you can whenever you like with whatever gun you wish.
I don't use poison and don't allow it on my ranch.

The OP should have a great time with his rifles, in Condor country too if he can get proper Condor-Area projectiles - and I think he can.


In CA regulations are a little different than in NV, but the coyote is considered a nongame animal.

From Fish and Game (http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/uplandgamebirdregs.asp)

Chapter 6. Nongame Animals
§472. General Provisions.

Except as otherwise provided in Sections 478 and 485 and subsections (a) through (d) below, nongame birds and mammals may not be taken.

(a) The following nongame birds and mammals may be taken at any time of the year and in any number except as prohibited in Chapter 6: English sparrow, starling, coyote, weasels, skunks, opossum, moles and rodents (excluding tree and flying squirrels, and those listed as furbearers, endangered or threatened species).


§475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals.

Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows:

(a) Poison may not be used.

(b) Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings.

(c) Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations.

(d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammal only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code.

(e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.

(f) Methods of take within the California condor range. Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to use or possess projectiles containing more than one percent lead by weight while taking or attempting to take any nongame birds or nongame mammals in those areas described in Section 3004.5, Fish and Game Code.

(1) For purposes of Section 475, a “projectile” is defined as any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot, shot, pellet or other device which is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.

(2) Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to possess any projectile containing lead in excess of the amount permitted in subsection 475(f) and a firearm capable of firing the projectile while taking or attempting to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal within the area described in subsection 475(f). The possession of a projectile containing lead in excess of the amount allowed in subsection 475(f) without possessing a firearm capable of firing the projectile is not a violation of this section.




I see coyote on the same level as roaches or rats.
They don't qualify for ethical consideration as far as I'm concerned.

Go ahead and kill or don't kill as many coyote as you wish.
I will continue to kill them on sight with anything I have at hand that will do the job.










Cheers
Tinker

According to that code poison and using meat to bait the coyotes are both illegal. So no, you can't kill them "anytime, anywhere, anyway" you want.

So 475(a) and 475(e) were both violated by the OP.

NorCalDustin
01-14-2011, 11:13 PM
HAHA orrr..... my AR, AK47, .22, or 12 gauge... and Soul, a .22 will stop one? no way...

You can put down an adult buck with a .22...

The question is, do you know WHERE & HOW to shoot it to get an instant kill? Most people do not.

a.tinkerer
01-15-2011, 12:24 AM
You can notice I said 'with any gun...'

According to that code poison and using meat to bait the coyotes are both illegal. So no, you can't kill them "anytime, anywhere, anyway" you want.

So 475(a) and 475(e) were both violated by the OP.


I'm sensing a reach for some kind of moral high ground around this discussion of killing coyote.
They're pests, pack-running predators and the state recognizes this.
Does anyone here really think that they're going to show up to a coyote killing discussion and impress anyone with a 'care for coyote' message?

I very much get the issues and dangers of baiting with poison.
I've never supported placing laced bait in the outdoors (I will bait rodents in buildings though) but in my experience with coyote, a wounded animal is very soon bait for his friends and family.
Seeing the spoils of coyote raids here in our ridge and in our valley almost daily, I see no difference between those wages and the havoc the coyote inflict on local wildlife (antelope and mule deer) and livestock.

Then again, I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty.
I do not agree with 'cruel/unusual' restrictions on the treatment of hard and vicious criminals either...






Cheers
Tinker