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WallySparx
08-08-2006, 5:37 PM
check this out, saw it on THR earlier:
http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/itemimages/33l.jpg
it's an AR looking gun, but it's actually a lever gun. in .30 carbine, of all calibers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/nokiapics/la302.jpg
apparently it can use m1 carbine mags. doesn't particularly fill any hole in my collection, but would certainly seem like a cool toy that we can have out here.
more info: http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/

eckerph
08-08-2006, 5:48 PM
Looks like it comes from England, at 700+ pounds its a very expensive cali legal AR.

TKo_Productions
08-08-2006, 6:24 PM
what's up with the pistol grip? some sort of safety mechanism?

:confused:

50 Freak
08-08-2006, 6:26 PM
Poor Brits...finally people with even more screw up gun laws than we have here in CA.

M. Sage
08-08-2006, 6:44 PM
what's up with the pistol grip? some sort of safety mechanism?

:confused:

Lever action... cleverly integrated into the grip.. !?

PanzerAce
08-08-2006, 7:32 PM
Poor Brits...finally people with even more screw up gun laws than we have here in CA.

lol, who do you think invented bolt action uppers?

phish
08-08-2006, 7:36 PM
It could be a moot point if that's a garden variety lower, there's still an open magwell.

If the pistol grip is replaced with an SRB, then it's okay.

TKo_Productions
08-08-2006, 7:40 PM
Lever action... cleverly integrated into the grip.. !?

If it was, I'd expect the bolt to be open in its current position.

Other than that, anyone else notice that the receiver itself looks a little different? Solid trigger guard that seems to be part of the receiver itself, and its missing a FCG pin.

M. Sage
08-08-2006, 8:04 PM
If it was, I'd expect the bolt to be open in its current position.

Other than that, anyone else notice that the receiver itself looks a little different? Solid trigger guard that seems to be part of the receiver itself, and its missing a FCG pin.

Looks like it's open to me. And then there's the fact it's called a lever action rifle. http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/rifle.php?itemid=33

Librarian
08-08-2006, 8:20 PM
It could be a moot point if that's a garden variety lower, there's still an open magwell.

If the pistol grip is replaced with an SRB, then it's okay.
If it's a lever action, AW does not apply - legal definition is semiautomatic.

TKo_Productions
08-08-2006, 9:28 PM
Looks like it's open to me. And then there's the fact it's called a lever action rifle. http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/rifle.php?itemid=33

D'oh! I need to learn to look closer. You're right, it does look open.

Supernam
08-08-2006, 10:39 PM
What's the point? Do people really obsess over the AR's physical looks that much? yeah I guess it LOOKS cool... that is, up until the point that you have to cock it.

Guns R Tools
08-08-2006, 11:21 PM
Maybe you can bump cock it...

I rather have pump action with solid grip especailly with larger calibers like 458 socom, 50 beoulf, etc.

bu-bye
08-08-2006, 11:38 PM
I'd buy on in 308:D

grammaton76
08-09-2006, 11:26 AM
I do wish they'd start making those things in bulk and shipping 'em over here. It'd probably bring the cost down a bit, and we'd start seeing those oddball things.

On a side note, that rifle is what brought me here and got me started on OLL's. I saw pics of it on another forum in December and was looking for info on it when I stumbled across a pointer to this place.

VeryCoolCat
08-09-2006, 11:46 AM
You might as well buy an AR15 airsoft gun or an AR15 paintball gun.....

I'd rather get a henry repeating rifle in 357 or 44.

adamsreeftank
08-09-2006, 10:02 PM
Maybe I'm the only one, but I really don't think it looks that bad.

If the options are semi auto with fixed 10 and breaking the action open to load, or detachable mag with a bolt on the upper, I'd call it a toss up. The semis a bit more fun to shoot, the bolt actions safer and easier to load. They both suck compared to the original design, but I think are prety comparable.

grammaton76
08-09-2006, 10:27 PM
Maybe I'm the only one, but I really don't think it looks that bad.

If the options are semi auto with fixed 10 and breaking the action open to load, or detachable mag with a bolt on the upper, I'd call it a toss up. The semis a bit more fun to shoot, the bolt actions safer and easier to load. They both suck compared to the original design, but I think are prety comparable.

You're not the only one - without unrestricted AR's on the menu, I'd find the lever action to be appealing as yet another option.

TKo_Productions
08-09-2006, 10:42 PM
I'm in agreement, what we need is an AR15 upper designed like the Cobb Fast Action 50BMG. You would be able to use detachable standard capacity magazines, and have all the evil features.

It would be an optimum setup to use as a bench rifle with a bipod. You'd be able to keep your dominant right hand on the pistol grip/trigger while manipulating the lever with your left hand.

Cobb's website:

http://www.cobb50.com/fa50t.htm

Description:

This rifle operates on a straight pull back bolt action design. Allows the operator to take faster shots with the accuracy of a bolt action rifle.

Picture:

http://www.cobb50.com/fa502.JPG

(notice charging handle/lever on the top left side of the upper receiver)

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt6QvpyhlTE

grammaton76
08-09-2006, 11:25 PM
I'm in agreement, what we need is an AR15 upper designed like the Cobb Fast Action 50BMG. You would be able to use detachable standard capacity magazines, and have all the evil features.

Biggest problem with that, is that your drop-mag lower assembly would then function as a full out SB23-banned AW if you were to swap over to a different upper. While you wouldn't do that, they can always pull some kinda stupidity on you, like saying you have an AW and confiscating two rifles, then swapping your uppers in the evidence room.

TKo_Productions
08-09-2006, 11:29 PM
Biggest problem with that, is that your drop-mag lower assembly would then function as a full out SB23-banned AW if you were to swap over to a different upper. While you wouldn't do that, they can always pull some kinda stupidity on you, like saying you have an AW and confiscating two rifles, then swapping your uppers in the evidence room.

It's definitely a gray area. But wasn't it you who assembled a dedicated .22lr upper on a standard lower?

I can see the argument, but at the same time the assembled rifle, in it's current position wouldn't be semi-automatic. I dunno, if you got popped it would make for an interesting court case.

grammaton76
08-10-2006, 1:11 AM
It's definitely a gray area. But wasn't it you who assembled a dedicated .22lr upper on a standard lower?

I can see the argument, but at the same time the assembled rifle, in it's current position wouldn't be semi-automatic. I dunno, if you got popped it would make for an interesting court case.

Yep, that's me. In my case though, the upper can't be removed from the lower without tools - and I don't just mean improvised ones, you actually HAVE to have a punch and hammer. In the case of a bolt-fed upper with a standard lower, I'd definitely want to use the locking, tool-required screw-together takedown pins. I think JP that makes 'em... $30 apiece but I've been thinking about picking 'em up for the 22 just for extra protection.