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Datdarkness
01-07-2011, 10:24 PM
If i were to start reloading this year, and say i purchases components (bullets, cases, powder, primer, ect..) and created ammunition. would i legally be able to sell this off in CA?
would i need some sort of license to sell it??

anything with ab962 going to mess around with this?

BKinzey
01-07-2011, 10:28 PM
Other than a business license? You'd better look into insurance which I suspect will be high.

taperxz
01-07-2011, 10:30 PM
You would need to start a business. All licenses, insurance permits, and good luck finding a suitable location to do this. You can't just sell ammo out of your home. Or manufacture for sale. Local ordinaces would more than likely prohibit it.

Datdarkness
01-07-2011, 11:28 PM
dam..... there go my plans.. haha wayyyy to much for me to handle

AndrewMendez
01-07-2011, 11:33 PM
You need an 06 FFL, and about a million bucks of insurance (only a couple hundred a year)

Connor P Price
01-07-2011, 11:37 PM
A 1,000,000/2,000,000 dollar insurance policy is not expensive.

The prohibitive part of getting into this is the 06FFL, who wants to deal with the ATF afterall?

This is more than a fun project for your free time, its a very serious business undertaking. The costs for materials and the time investment necessary is enormous.

AndrewMendez
01-07-2011, 11:48 PM
I seriously considered doing this. I think the only problem I encountered was where the hell are you going to get your brass? Military? Ranges?
Things I looked into were meeting with Local PD's and ranges and getting them to agree to "blank" amount of rounds per month, or 3 month period..etc. Do you reload now? Do you enjoy it? Can your arm handle it? Do you have a work shop or garage space? I would recommend a Dillion 650.

freonr22
01-07-2011, 11:50 PM
no, the prohibitive part is the ITAR $ starts @ 2250/year + what was above

Operation

All U.S. manufacturers, exporters, and brokers of defense articles, defense services, or related technical data, as defined on the USML, are required to register with U.S. Department of State. Registration is primarily a means to provide the U.S. Government with necessary information on who is involved in certain manufacturing and exporting activities. Registration does not confer any export rights or privileges, but is a precondition for the issuance of any license or other approval for export.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#cite_not e-16) Registration fees start at USD$2,250 per year.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#cite_not e-17)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=136223&highlight=itar

Curtis
01-08-2011, 12:28 AM
It isn't hard to do. You just need the time to research what is needed. It's no more work than starting any other business; just different questions and agencies to deal with. I did the research and put together a business plan. I even have my 06FFL. I have a habit of creating business plan and then letting them age. I'm batting .800.

I think time is the biggest investment needed. I found that it easier to meet fire code setting up in my garage than it is to set up in a commercial building (and you can store much more gun powder at home than in a business). Brass and other components are easy to find. All the fees, insurance, and taxes all pencil out at a fairly low volume.

if your only motive is to get around the new law, I can give you two very good ways that are cheaper and easier....the easiest one: get your C&R.

AndrewMendez
01-08-2011, 1:15 AM
no, the prohibitive part is the ITAR $ starts @ 2250/year + what was above

Operation

All U.S. manufacturers, exporters, and brokers of defense articles, defense services, or related technical data, as defined on the USML, are required to register with U.S. Department of State. Registration is primarily a means to provide the U.S. Government with necessary information on who is involved in certain manufacturing and exporting activities. Registration does not confer any export rights or privileges, but is a precondition for the issuance of any license or other approval for export.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#cite_not e-16) Registration fees start at USD$2,250 per year.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#cite_not e-17)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=136223&highlight=itar



Freakshow manufacturing post a thread about it. There is a way around it:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6144914&postcount=21

Don't ask me how I found that either. ;)

Jack L
01-08-2011, 6:55 AM
I think if a person wanted to start up a business that would do well they could move to Nevada, build a small handgun ammo factory (lots of open space in that state) and sell at a factory owned store (no middleman) in bulk. Just think how many Californians would like to drive over to buy in bulk. Your cash register would be smoking with sales.

Nevada is so much more business friendly and handgun friendly than CA is.

choprzrul
01-08-2011, 8:22 AM
I think if a person wanted to start up a business that would do well they could move to Nevada, build a small handgun ammo factory (lots of open space in that state) and sell at a factory owned store (no middleman) in bulk. Just think how many Californians would like to drive over to buy in bulk. Your cash register would be smoking with sales.

Nevada is so much more business friendly and handgun friendly than CA is.

MeeThinks that all of us CA business owners should move operations to NV. Maybe create our own California City, NV.

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pyromensch
01-08-2011, 9:30 AM
I seriously considered doing this. I think the only problem I encountered was where the hell are you going to get your brass? Military? Ranges?
Things I looked into were meeting with Local PD's and ranges and getting them to agree to "blank" amount of rounds per month, or 3 month period..etc. Do you reload now? Do you enjoy it? Can your arm handle it? Do you have a work shop or garage space? I would recommend a Dillion 650.

there is a guy in our zip code, (i used to be his mailman), that loads for gun shows, (his dillon auto press is always running). i would deliver 3-4 flat rate boxes of 223 brass every couple of weeks, they weighed close to 40lbs each. seemed to be from a private party.