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SanPedroShooter
01-06-2011, 6:21 AM
Well sort of new...
My CMP Garand arrived about six weeks after i put the form in the mail.
(11/22 to 1/5) I forgot a form though and my order went in around Christmas, so all in all not bad.
Now the important points.
The gun is beautiful shape, I asked for very good parkerizing and USGI wood, I got immaculate metal but a new stock. The muzzle gauges at +1 and the throat at 3.
What a piece of machinery, John Garands design is incredible. I drilled with demilled garands in boot, so i am familiar with the weight and feel, but i have havent shot one, yet...
So this thread is worthless with out pic right? well I dont have any yet, but i will put up some today. Although you may be a little disappointed, which leads me into... the new stock.
I have to admit i was disappointed when i saw that i hadnt got an original stock. A bit ungrateful of me, but there it is. The first thing that bugs me is, the stock is hideous, its stained a lurid orange that rubs off on your hands.

The second is the sense of wonder and awe you get when you hold a gun stock that could have been carried by one of servicemen way back in the mists of time, when the US won its wars, and giants walked the earth.

So on the first count i instantly broke the gun down, pulled of the stock and handgaurds and took the whole thing down to the shop to sand off that awful finish (I am a wood finisher by trade). The parts are under construction right now, but i plan to strip, bleach, stain with an aniline dye, oil, and then wax. If my gun ends up looking like a high end piece of furniture, there will be nobody to blame but myself, at least i am not using lacquer right?

I may go a little more traditional, but we'll see. It not like the stock is an antique, its marked 2010 inside.

So there you go, I will put up pics of my progress.
God bless the USA and God bless the CMP!

ps. The case these guns come in is very nice. A real bonus.

pro-nra
01-06-2011, 6:42 AM
I have a SA Garand I bought from the DCM 16+ years ago. Back then I waited 9 months to get my Garand...how times have change for the better at CMP. The stock is USGI and it shows with lots of dents and scratches witch give it character. I just dropped of order in the mail two days ago for two H&R service grades so hopefully I'll see it early March. I will follow it with a SA and a Winchester once I receive the twin H&R. Can't have too many Garands.:)

OHOD
01-06-2011, 7:01 AM
Well sort of new...
My CMP Garand arrived about six weeks after i put the form in the mail.
(11/22 to 1/5) I forgot a form though and my order went in around Christmas, so all in all not bad.
Now the important points.
The gun is beautiful shape, I asked for very good parkerizing and USGI wood, I got immaculate metal but a new stock. The muzzle gauges at +1 and the throat at 3.
What a piece of machinery, John Garands design is incredible. I drilled with demilled garands in boot, so i am familiar with the weight and feel, but i have havent shot one, yet...
So this thread is worthless with out pic right? well I dont have any yet, but i will put up some today. Although you may be a little disappointed, which leads me into... the new stock.
I have to admit i was disappointed when i saw that i hadnt got an original stock. A bit ungrateful of me, but there it is. The first thing that bugs me is, the stock is hideous, its stained a lurid orange that rubs off on your hands.

The second is the sense of wonder and awe you get when you hold a gun stock that could have been carried by one of servicemen way back in the mists of time, when the US won its wars, and giants walked the earth.

So on the first count i instantly broke the gun down, pulled of the stock and handgaurds and took the whole thing down to the shop to sand off that awful finish (I am a wood finisher by trade). The parts are under construction right now, but i plan to strip, bleach, stain with an aniline dye, oil, and then wax. If my gun ends up looking like a high end piece of furniture, there will be nobody to blame but myself, at least i am not using lacquer right?

I may go a little more traditional, but we'll see. It not like the stock is an antique, its marked 2010 inside.

So there you go, I will put up pics of my progress.
God bless the USA and God bless the CMP!

ps. The case these guns come in is very nice. A real bonus.

Yet another evil Garand post without a PICTURE!!!!!

Congrats on the Garand, I can't wait to get mine.
I'm envious.
Have fun shooting!

SanPedroShooter
01-06-2011, 7:07 AM
I have a SA Garand I bought from the DCM 16+ years ago. Back then I waited 9 months to get my Garand...how times have change for the better at CMP. The stock is USGI and it shows with lots of dents and scratches witch give it character. I just dropped of order in the mail two days ago for two H&R service grades so hopefully I'll see it early March. I fill follow it with a SA and a Winchester once I receive the twin H&R. Can't have too many Garands.:)

You will not be dissapointed. People are calling this run of greek airforce garands the "golden age" with good reason. I will definitly be ordering another late this year, probably a springer this time.

SanPedroShooter
01-06-2011, 9:31 AM
Gun is under comstruction:

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/garand1002.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/garand002.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/garand1003.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/garand1012.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/garand1005.jpg

original stain
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/garand1016.jpg

Milsurp Collector
01-06-2011, 10:21 AM
As a woodworker you might be interested in a tutorial I posted about shaping and refinishing a new CMP birch stock.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=78117&sid=09d69bd8b75532dce901faa5eaacb1ed
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=9924


I prefer the natural color of wood, whatever kind of wood it is, so I didn't try to make birch look like walnut. Most attempts to stain birch to look like walnut I have seen weren't that successful in my opinion. I think if someone has a birch stock and they want walnut they should sell the birch stock and get a walnut stock, rather than trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear, so to speak. It isn't hard to sell the CMP birch stocks on the CMP forum.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/CMP%20Birch/5f22ce22.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/CMP%20Birch/a5228b25.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/CMP%20Birch/f8897cf7.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/CMP%20Birch/8e1cf342.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/CMP%20Birch/after-1.jpg

WokMaster1
01-06-2011, 10:29 AM
Well sort of new...
My CMP Garand arrived about six weeks after i put the form in the mail.
(11/22 to 1/5) I forgot a form though and my order went in around Christmas, so all in all not bad.
Now the important points.
The gun is beautiful shape, I asked for very good parkerizing and USGI wood, I got immaculate metal but a new stock. The muzzle gauges at +1 and the throat at 3.
What a piece of machinery, John Garands design is incredible. I drilled with demilled garands in boot, so i am familiar with the weight and feel, but i have havent shot one, yet...
So this thread is worthless with out pic right? well I dont have any yet, but i will put up some today. Although you may be a little disappointed, which leads me into... the new stock.
I have to admit i was disappointed when i saw that i hadnt got an original stock. A bit ungrateful of me, but there it is. The first thing that bugs me is, the stock is hideous, its stained a lurid orange that rubs off on your hands.

The second is the sense of wonder and awe you get when you hold a gun stock that could have been carried by one of servicemen way back in the mists of time, when the US won its wars, and giants walked the earth.

So on the first count i instantly broke the gun down, pulled of the stock and handgaurds and took the whole thing down to the shop to sand off that awful finish (I am a wood finisher by trade). The parts are under construction right now, but i plan to strip, bleach, stain with an aniline dye, oil, and then wax. If my gun ends up looking like a high end piece of furniture, there will be nobody to blame but myself, at least i am not using lacquer right?

I may go a little more traditional, but we'll see. It not like the stock is an antique, its marked 2010 inside.

So there you go, I will put up pics of my progress.
God bless the USA and God bless the CMP!

ps. The case these guns come in is very nice. A real bonus.

What grade did you get?

SanPedroShooter
01-06-2011, 11:09 AM
[QUOTE=Milsurp Collector;5565870]As a woodworker you might be interested in a tutorial I posted about shaping and refinishing a new CMP birch stock.

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=9924
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:njMFGZt9VqgJ:www.surplusrifleforum. com/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D53%26t%3D78117+Shaping+refinis hing+CMP+birch&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I prefer the natural color of wood, whatever kind of wood it is, so I didn't try to make birch look like walnut. Most attempts to stain birch to look like walnut I have seen weren't that successful in my opinion. I think if someone has a birch stock and they want walnut they should sell the birch stock and get a walnut stock, rather than trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear, so to speak. It isn't hard to sell the CMP birch stocks on the CMP forum.


Wow, you could easily give some pro's a run for there money. I will think about reshaping the stock, but i need a usgi for comparison. The natural look of birch is pretty impresive.
However, i specialize in turning sows ears into silk purses, so we'll see. The advice of just buying a usgi walnut stock is well taken, but hsve noticed people selling these for almost as much as the gun?
If i knew how nasy the orginal color would be, i would have asked them to just send me an unfinshed one, but i didnt want to admit that i might not get the wood i wanted.
Thanks for the links, i see you have discovered the beauty of dye stains, but if you use toner/glazes (Universal tints in oil and thinner) on top of the dye or stain, you can make anything surface look any color you want. I can make paint grade wood, steel or galvanised, even plastic look like rich wood grain. Wel, enough to fool the eye. These are furnisher finshers tricks that i have never seen in a "how to" or the like. A lot of these guys guard their secrets very closley.
The more i look at the stock, its actually a pretty nice peice if wood, so maybe i will go natural. Your example is incredable.
Are there any examples of the Gov. rifles in that light shade?
I will get it sanded and bleached and explore my options. Thank you for the benfit of your experiance!

And my order was for a regular H&R service grade

SanPedroShooter
01-06-2011, 11:30 AM
The iridescent quality you describe can really only be achieved by using dye. Regular stains muddy the grain, while dyes have a translucent quality. I will need to get some pure tung oil, because of voc regs in LA, you cant buy it in stores. Not the real stuff anyway, its all been "reformulated", garbage... I will have to mail order it, or drive over the county line.
Few people outside of the industry realize that painting/finishing has become a regulated industry. Its created a fair amount of strain for contractors that attempt to play by the rules, of course thats almost no one, but still, we spent thousands of dollars experimenting with water base finishes, all to no avail.
It just not the same. We recently did all the painting/refinishing for bruce jenner/chris kardashian on their LA house, long story short, after a few weeks all the tint we put on their doors and windows had burned off in the sun. What a nightmare, the company rep flew out from wisconsin, turns out the tint isnt strong enough to stand California sun light... The molecule bond of water isnt as durable as the original oil, among other things. Weak.
Pretty soon i will be driving to mexico and smuggling paint thinner back... Friggin democrats.
What were we talking about?;)

Milsurp Collector
01-06-2011, 12:04 PM
Are there any examples of the Gov. rifles in that light shade?


Thanks for compliments, I appreciate them coming from a pro. :)

The USGI birch stocks have decades-old tung and linseed oil finishes that have "oranged" with age. They might have started out lighter (although they were probably never as blond as mine) but they have turned darker by now, unless they have been refinished. You can see examples at

http://cgi.ebay.com/M1-Garand-1950s-STOCK-Birch-U-S-Made-NO-METAL-/170586304553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b7bc7029
http://cgi.ebay.com/U-S-M1-GARAND-STOCK-4_W0QQitemZ170576823548QQcategoryZ13974QQcmdZViewI temQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26it s%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252 BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D170570072797%26ps%3D63%26 clkid%3D6183005808663592676
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/m1-garand-matched-birch-stock-set-hra
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2-birch-m1-stocks-hra-sa-1-2-dod-11

I used 100% pure tung oil on mine so it shouldn't turn quite so orange. Raw linseed oil turns orange very quickly. The orange tint gives old USGI walnut that rich reddish color.

I will think about reshaping the stock, but i need a usgi for comparison.

It just so happens that today I mailed a couple of templates to a member of the surplusrifleforum.com forum who is following my tutorial. He didn't have a reference USGI stock either, so I made him some templates taken from an unsanded USGI SA/GAW stock. Let me know if you want the templates.

SanPedroShooter
01-06-2011, 8:01 PM
Fo' sho. I'll write you for particulars. Thanks!

wjc
01-06-2011, 8:38 PM
Gun is under comstruction:

<snipped images>


Gonna channel the Gunny here. Nice Garand!

"This is my rifle, this is my gun,
This is for pleasure, this is for fun."

80965

:D

SanPedroShooter
01-06-2011, 9:12 PM
M-14/M1A is high up on my list. I thought about maybe a polytech copy. The chinese make some nice copys

mievil
01-06-2011, 10:25 PM
Where do I learn how to woodwork like that? Other than years and years of experience? :p

SanPedroShooter
01-07-2011, 6:30 AM
There are a lot of tutorials. Look at milsurps post, he has a very detailed step by step, i highly recomend it. And years of experiance helps a good deal. I just started by grabing furniture off the street and refinishing it. Now i am apprentice to a master decorator in the "old style". Times are tough because of VOC regs, but i plan to carry on the torch, i wanted to be a cop or a lawyer when i left the military... i ended up a decorator, but oh well, it has its rewards.

Milsurp Collector
01-07-2011, 12:30 PM
Where do I learn how to woodwork like that? Other than years and years of experience? :p

I highly recommend Understanding Wood Finishing: How to Select and Apply the Right Finish (http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Wood-Finishing-American-Woodworker/dp/1565235487/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294428581&sr=8-1).

As brent* said, you can learn by doing. Get some cheap old beat-up stocks on ebay or at a gun show and experiment.

Here is the first stock I worked on. I bought it on ebay. The seller was the selling his deceased grandfather's stuff including this stock. The pictures on the page were very fuzzy and dark, but the seller said that the stock had "GAW" stamped on it so I bought it. The right side of the stock looked good, unsanded and with nice aged color and patina:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/GAW/rightside.jpg

But when I looked at the left side I saw this:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/GAW/0c598593.jpg

Grandpa had attacked the stock with a belt sander. Not only was it deeply scratched, including the SA/GAW and Ordnance crossed cannon cartouches, but strips of wood were missing.

The first thing I did was carefully sand away the scratches, except over the cartouches, which I protected with tape:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/GAW/5d9aff9a.jpg

Then to replace the missing wood and restore the proper shape and contour I used walnut veneer that I shaped with steam and boiling water and then glued in place with veneer glue. I didn't read about it in a book, I just came up with the idea myself:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/GAW/4c8etqe.jpg

Then I stained the worked-on areas to match the rest of the stock, but in the end because of trial and error due to lack of experience I ended up staining and refinishing the whole stock so it would match. Because of lack of experience using 100% pure tung oil I ended up applying too much and ended up with kind of a shiny stock. Since then I've gotten better with oil finishes but the stock looks OK and I don't want to mess with it. You can still see the scratches over the cartouches, I couldn't remove them without destroying the cartouches.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/GAW/3b281802.jpg

So get Understanding Wood Finishing: How to Select and Apply the Right Finish (http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Wood-Finishing-American-Woodworker/dp/1565235487/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294428581&sr=8-1), get the right materials like raw linseed oil, 100% pure tung oil, and genuine shellac, get some cheap old stocks, and see what you can do.

mievil
01-07-2011, 9:34 PM
Sounds fun. Thanks for the info.