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sigfan91
01-02-2011, 9:27 PM
Can all TT-33 pistols be converted to 9mm by switching out the barrel, bushing, and magazine? Would the recoil spring need to be changed?

Further more, can a Norinco model 213 9mm magazine work in other Tokarev copies?

Thanks for all your help.:)

nick
01-02-2011, 9:36 PM
Norinco L213 mag does fit in the Polish and Romanian TT magwells. In fact, looking at them, I can't see much of a difference between the mags, all the dimensions and cuts are the same.

They're too short for the Yugo M57 though, but didn't see much other dimensional difference between the L213 and M57 mags, so I think M57 mags should feed 9mm as well (or as poorly) as Norinco L213 ones do. So it doesn't look like you need to change the mags.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I've never actually converted TTs to 9mm, seems like a waste to me, given how cheap 7.62x25 is even compared to 9mm.

nick
01-02-2011, 9:38 PM
Oh, and you can convert CZ-52, as well. Not sure if you need to change the mags for that, given that those mags aren't much different from the TT/M57 ones.

FS00008
01-02-2011, 9:45 PM
The only things you need are a barrel and a bushing. Standard TT mags in 7.62x25 work for 9MM.

FS00008
01-02-2011, 9:45 PM
you may need a lighter recoil spring though. 7.62x25 is significantly higher power/pressure than 9MM.

nick
01-02-2011, 10:10 PM
Wouldn't the stock one work? It's not scientific, but the recoil springs on both L213 and Polish and Romanian TTs feel pretty much the same when I pull the slide back.

MontClaire
01-02-2011, 10:23 PM
why do it? barrels are cheap, ammo is even cheaper than 9 and the round has better penetration rating. in fact all over europe is a feared handgun for it's round 7.62x25 capabilities to get under kevlar vest level II sometimes III depending on manufacturer. regular trauma chest plates dont stand the chance.I d say keep it!

FS00008
01-03-2011, 9:24 AM
Wouldn't the stock one work? It's not scientific, but the recoil springs on both L213 and Polish and Romanian TTs feel pretty much the same when I pull the slide back.

Yes it should, but with lighter 9MM it may short stroke. I've had it happen.

mls343
01-03-2011, 10:51 AM
why do it? barrels are cheap, ammo is even cheaper than 9 and the round has better penetration rating. in fact all over europe is a feared handgun for it's round 7.62x25 capabilities to get under kevlar vest level II sometimes III depending on manufacturer. regular trauma chest plates dont stand the chance.I d say keep it!

+ 1 why convert it ?

bigthaiboy
01-03-2011, 10:55 AM
Oh, and you can convert CZ-52, as well. Not sure if you need to change the mags for that, given that those mags aren't much different from the TT/M57 ones.

I have a CZ-52 and the 9mm conversion barrel for it. Sounded like a good idea at the time, because it is a drop-in conversion using the original mags. Feeds and shoots reliably in 9mm, but the trigger slap is terrible. I quickly realized, the the CZ-52 is a fun gun in 7.62x25mm, but an unremarkable pistol in 9mm.

sigfan91
01-03-2011, 2:04 PM
You guys are right. There's no real reason to convert it from 7.62mm to 9mm. In fact, if I convert it to 9mm, that's another gun to feed in addition to all the 9mm pistols I already have. Surplus 7.62mm, on the other hand, is cheap and plentiful and I only have this one to feed.

I am convinced. I will save the money towards more ammo.

Here's my next question: what's good to feed a Norinco Tokarev?

I just ordered some Yugo surplus made in the 1980s. Those are non-magnetic so I can use in my local range. But there is cheaper stuff like the 1950s Polish surplus. Are pretty much all Tokarev ammo OK to run in a Norinco Type 54?

bohoki
01-03-2011, 2:16 PM
i shoot my 9mm tokarev with my cast lead reloads

i think you can get by with just a barrel but for more reliability you need to buy the 9mm mags that have the spacer insert

my 213 has a spacer in the well and uses less long magazines

there are 2 versions of the norinco 213

FS00008
01-03-2011, 5:04 PM
I don't think I've ever had an FTF with the stocker 7.62 mags while using 9mm.

omega
08-07-2014, 3:30 PM
I would recommend getting a 9mm conversion barrel for your TOKAREV , especially now since 7.62 TOK ammo is scarce. I have an extra 9mm barrel with link & barrel bushing off a Norinco M213 that functions very reliable, I heard the barrel came off a confiscated gun that was stripped for parts.

VegasND
08-08-2014, 6:54 PM
I purchased several of the 9mm barrels years ago and have used them in several Toks and a couple of Yugo M57s. The Tokarev magazines with the spacer in the back of the mag allow easy switching between calibers but are very hard to find. To use the narrower magazines a spacer is inserted in the magwell. This makes converting calibers a pain. Using the 7.62 mags to 9mm is hit or miss. Try it, sometimes it works. Back when Yugo mags were impossible to find I converted a couple of CZ52 mags and those fed 9mm without problem.

You should convert a Tok to fire both 7.62 and 9 for the best possible reason: you want to.

BTW: the only Tok I have that has never had barrels swapped out is the Russian; a 1937 Tula

monster7
04-27-2017, 11:57 AM
Hey folks,

I know this is an old thread, but need some help. I own a M57 Yugo chambered in 7.62x25. I want to convert to 9mm and hunted down components for the conversion but am having an issue. I have a 9rd 9mm magazine, magazine spacer, barrel bushing and a 9mm barrel from I believe a Norinco 213.

I installed all of the components and went to load 9mm (snap cap) and notice that when a round is chambered, the slide does not go all the way forward, off by a few millimeters. Taking the gun apart, I noticed that when drop a round in the barrel, it protrudes by a few millimeters, about the same space by which the slide is off by. When I take my 7.62x25 barrel and drop in a round, it sits perfectly flush.

I was thinking I received the wrong barrel but, going over my order from Numrich gun parts, it does state it is a Norinco 9mm barrel. Comparing the M57 barrel to the Norinco barrel, they look identical. Only issue is a round protrudes on the 9mm. Suggestions?

I appreciate the help.

fawndog
04-27-2017, 12:06 PM
Does it close fully on a empty chamber?

monster7
04-27-2017, 2:52 PM
Yes. Slide goes completely forward with empty chamber.

fawndog
04-27-2017, 9:40 PM
I'd have a gunsmith look at the barrel's chamber.

monster7
04-28-2017, 2:14 PM
I took it in to a gunsmith, I was told the barrel is chambered in 9x18 Makarov!
WTF.

bohoki
04-28-2017, 2:31 PM
I took it in to a gun smith, I was told the barrel is chambered in 9x18 Makarov!
WTF.

wow now that is something to have a tokamak

zhyla
04-29-2017, 9:24 PM
I took it in to a gunsmith, I was told the barrel is chambered in 9x18 Makarov!
WTF.

You can't escape the communists!

9mm mak is a fine round, though it seems like it isn't enjoying the price advantage it once was vs 9mm Luger.

I Swan
04-29-2017, 9:51 PM
Please show a pic of this barrel. I have never heard of a 9x18 Makarov barrel for a Tokarev.

omega
04-29-2017, 10:07 PM
just saw this ad today, 9mm Tokarev barrels with link for $75

I Swan
04-29-2017, 10:10 PM
That is a fair price these days.

monster7
04-30-2017, 11:17 AM
So I went to my LGS to pick up some 9mm Mak and it does NOT fit. Ill go to another gunsmith for an opinion. Omega, that ad looks old, where did you find that at?

Thanks for the input!

AlienHobo
04-30-2017, 11:32 AM
Omega, that ad looks old, where did you find that at?

Thanks for the input!

Here is their web site. Looks like it is in stock:

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/Tokarevpistolbarrel9mm.aspx

monster7
04-30-2017, 1:30 PM
Perfect. Just placed an order for the barrel. I contacted the seller of the first barrel and notified them that I intend to return after it is inspected by a gunsmith. What ill do now is try this barrel out and hopefully it works. If not, ill return both barrels. Thanks!

fawndog
04-30-2017, 2:26 PM
9mm Makarov indeed.

It seems in the C&R world "9mm" is just the first name.
9x17 = .380
9x18 = Makarov
9x19 = Luger
9x23 = Largo

If it makes you feel any better I just got a CZ in 9x19 that was supposed to be 7.62x25.