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Retzius
01-02-2011, 9:48 AM
Hello all.

What do you think is the "best" .380 pistol?

I have the CZ83, Beretta 85fs, and Sig 232 and 238 on the short list..

Thanks.

Ed_Hazard
01-02-2011, 9:55 AM
Sig 232, Sig quality and a very comfortable gun to shoot and carry.

pyromensch
01-02-2011, 9:56 AM
like my browning bda, basically a beretta with a safety on the slide and 13 rds, if you had it before the limits

Jason.lee740
01-02-2011, 10:00 AM
if i remember correctly the sig 232 has the mag release at the bottem. (I might be wrong here)

Anyway, I like the bersa thunder series which has a good balance between cost and reliability.

Retzius
01-02-2011, 10:02 AM
Never considered by BDA.. Ill check it out.

I am looking for a 380 that I can actually shoot for a while at the range. Some of the 380 seem to be "pocket pistol" self defense weapons only. The Sig 238 seems very small and uncomofortable for a range session whereas the 232 seemed very comfortable.

maxicon
01-02-2011, 10:05 AM
I've got a handful of .380s - a Walther PPK/S, Keltec P3AT, a Russki Makarov, and an AMT Backup - and the Makarov is far and away the best shooter of the bunch. They're not so easy to find in .380 these days, though.

I don't have a Sig in .380, but I had the little P239 in 9mm, and it wasn't a very good pointer for me. I traded it on a Kahr PM9, which I'm much happier with.

Definitely best to test-drive them all before making a decision!

brianm767
01-02-2011, 10:05 AM
I really like my Kahr P380, it just feels the best to me, but that being said, best bang for the buck is the Ruger LCP.

At times I think I should sell my Kahr P380 and replace it with two LCP's, or maybe a LCP and a PF9. Hummm???

Retzius
01-02-2011, 10:14 AM
Turners has the CZ83 on sale..

Tempted.. must resist..

oddjob
01-02-2011, 10:15 AM
Sig 230 or the 232. Most reliable .380 I've had. The Browning BDA and the Beretta 84 (?) are basically the same and good ones too. My Walthers are good, but not nearly like the Sig series.

shooterdude
01-02-2011, 10:26 AM
The one you can shoot well with.

I have a Beretta model 86 that I enjoy but these are no longer on the CA list and can't be purchased so check out the model 84. You just can't go wrong with a Beretta. Rent one at your local range.

.380 ammo costs about the same as .45 so do keep that in mind.

MrBrent
01-02-2011, 10:36 AM
I have the 232 and its a great little gun. My kids love to shoot it. I bought a police trade in at turners for $500 for one in excellent condition and it has night sights and the houge grips on it. I have a Makarov in 9mm and its a great little gun but it has lots of sharp edges to carry but it is very accurate and very reliable. Practice ammo is more expensive than 9mm but I reload so it takes some of the pain away.
http://gkosin.smugmug.com/photos/918410588_FWyu3-L.jpg

McCrown
01-02-2011, 10:37 AM
You should take a look at the Bersa, A good quality gun with a smaller price.

Trapper
01-02-2011, 10:42 AM
+1 for the Sig 230. I have a blued alloy Sig 230, it weighs 18oz, has good sights, a smooth trigger pull and doesn't cut into the web of your hand like a PPK. Some may not like the European style mag release

Barkoff
01-02-2011, 10:42 AM
Never considered by BDA.. Ill check it out.

I am looking for a 380 that I can actually shoot for a while at the range. Some of the 380 seem to be "pocket pistol" self defense weapons only.

Well just my opinion, but that's all a .380 should be. If you're looking for something for the range, use a 9mm..moderate recoil, tons of cheap ammo. I would love to have a Wather PPK, I have always loved those pistols, but why buy a 6 shot wather when I can buy a 6 shot LCP at what, 10oz lighter?

I've never really caught on why I would ever want a .380 that wasn't a pocket pistol, when there is so much available in 9mm. Just my opinion.

Mac Attack
01-02-2011, 10:46 AM
I've owned several. 380's. My sentimental favorite is my Colt M1908 which shoots great, feels good in my hand, is more than accurate enough for me and can be converted to shoot. 32 acoustic by switching out barrels and magazines. However of the current breed I would go for a Sig 238.

bsg
01-02-2011, 10:47 AM
i have a w german Sig P230SL and don't feel the need to look further for a better .380 semi auto.

calishine
01-02-2011, 10:47 AM
I have the 232 and its a great little gun. My kids love to shoot it. I bought a police trade in at turners for $500 for one in excellent condition and it has night sights and the houge grips on it. I have a Makarov in 9mm and its a great little gun but it has lots of sharp edges to carry but it is very accurate and very reliable. Practice ammo is more expensive than 9mm but I reload so it takes some of the pain away.
http://gkosin.smugmug.com/photos/918410588_FWyu3-L.jpg

+1 This is the one to get. Same exact configuration. The all stainless body absorbs recoil, and makes it a pleasure to shoot. Extremely ergonomic gun too. As others have said, your best bet is to try a few for yourself. However, I found this one to be the best of the bunch. Good luck!

WWDHD?
01-02-2011, 10:55 AM
Latest issue of GUN TESTS gave "A" ratings to the Taurus (Yeah, really a Taurus) 738 and the S&W Bodyguard 380. The taurus is less than $350 and US made. don't know if its CA approved or not. The S&W costs close to $600 because of the built-in laser.
Would'nt mind trying out a .380 but the ammo cost scares me off. Always thought the beretta tip-up barrel .380 looked cool.

RedFord150
01-02-2011, 11:18 AM
You should take a look at the Bersa, A good quality gun with a smaller price.

+1.
This is the best kept secret under $300.00. I love mine.

fcr
01-02-2011, 11:27 AM
You should take a look at the Bersa, A good quality gun with a smaller price.

My friend has one, he really likes it.

Heiko
01-02-2011, 11:46 AM
I have a blued Sig P230 and it used to be one of my carry guns. It is much better shooting than the PPK which tends to bite your hand. The Sig is excellent quality and a solid gun. It is flat and thin which helps it conceal well. The heel catch magazine release doesn't bother me. I never saw the Sig as a big gunfight kind of gun. It's a close in sort of gun that is great for the average shooting that is usually 2 to 3 shots.

I rotated out of my carry guns for a Kahr P9 so I have thought about selling it from time to time. But it's a West German marked example I bought new so it's sort of collectible to me.

Ron-Solo
01-02-2011, 11:58 AM
Latest issue of GUN TESTS gave "A" ratings to the Taurus (Yeah, really a Taurus) 738 and the S&W Bodyguard 380. The taurus is less than $350 and US made. don't know if its CA approved or not. The S&W costs close to $600 because of the built-in laser.
Would'nt mind trying out a .380 but the ammo cost scares me off. Always thought the beretta tip-up barrel .380 looked cool.

I'm not sure where you come up with the $600 figure for the S&W. My local store has them for $299.

And for which is best, it totally depends on what you want it for. There have been meny good 380's listed, but for concealment it is hard to beat the LCP, the Bodyguard, or the small Kahr. All quality pocket guns.

dan12580
01-02-2011, 12:02 PM
I have two pocket 380s. Colt pocketlite and I just got a couple diamondback 380s for christmas. The colt is for the most part a safe queen but the diamondback is awesome. Its worth the baby glock reputation. It is just bigger then a lcp but with a little more girth to the grip. Shoots like a g26. Get one if you can.

Ranger20
01-02-2011, 12:09 PM
Hello all.

What do you think is the "best" .380 pistol?

I have the CZ83, Beretta 85fs, and Sig 232 and 238 on the short list..

Thanks.


I have a Sig 232, and a few Colt Mustangs and a German PPKS

The 232 is prob the best of the bunch overall. It isn't what I prefer I like the Colt Mustang PlusII best. Followed by the PPKS. Neither of which are made today. Sorry the SW PPKS is a POS in my opinion compared to the Euro made guns. I'd rather have a bersa than a SW POS attempt at a walther.


The 232 It's benefits are
it's current production,
simple blowback design.
No safety to engage or disengage
a decocker that is not on the slide and it out of the way.
Excellent ergonomics
It's not fussy with ammo selection with the exception of Hydrashoks.

It's not to small like many 380s. You get a full size grip and a proper length barrel and site picture to fully utilize an already low power cartridge.
It's thin in design is excellent.
It is not too big and fat like the beretta 85 might as well get a 9mm as have a Beretta.
The Sig in Alloy frame and carbon slide gun it's very lightweight for carry. This doesn't appear to effect it's shootability over the all heavier stainless model or not by much.

Cons to some not me... it has a european heel release.
It's not a pocket carry gun. But I've done it with the Alloy framed gun and I prefer it over a J frame in that mode of carry. It draws smooth and no snags.

Thats my opinion prob made some people mad. re: the american sw walther and comments about the fat beretta ...
I like the beretta if all I could shoot was the recoil of a 380 it has capacity beyond the Sig. I'd have one. I'm thinking in my response more of a carry gun. The thin sig is easier to conceal.

Best to you in your decision.

j.primo
01-02-2011, 12:11 PM
Glock 28 FTW!:p The Ruger LCP .380 is pretty sweet. A guy at the range let me try it. The Kahr P380 looks cool, but I've only seen pics and vids of it.

brianm767
01-02-2011, 2:57 PM
I'm not sure where you come up with the $600 figure for the S&W. My local store has them for $299.

And for which is best, it totally depends on what you want it for. There have been meny good 380's listed, but for concealment it is hard to beat the LCP, the Bodyguard, or the small Kahr. All quality pocket guns.

Who has a Bodyguard .380 for $300? there $500 here in the central valley.

SAR_boats
01-02-2011, 4:03 PM
Sig 232 or an Original Walther PPK/S (before Smith bought them)

DWill
01-02-2011, 4:20 PM
I have the Bersa and it is great. It is comfortable to shoot and very accurate. The only problem with it is that it's the same size and weight as my UltraCDP.

I have owned 2 P3AT's and 2 LCP's. I now carry the Kahr P380. I also own the Bodyguard 380. I want to love the Bodyguard, but after owning Kahr pistols, the trigger is hard to get used to. I have not shot the Sig 238 or DB380 so I can't speak to them. But, the P380 is the best shooting and most accurate .380 I have shot. I just shot the PPK two weeks ago. Even though it is much heavier than the P380, it kicks much more.

The ergonomics of the Bodyguard are great. The safety is unnecessary. The trigger is more revolver-like than semi-auto.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c79/DirtyWill/photo-1.jpg

My Bodyguard is the latest revision, with the raised circle around the laser activation button and raised laser button. I'm considering selling it because I have two P380's.

RollingCode3
01-02-2011, 4:50 PM
My vote is for the LCP. great little gun. Had the Sig p238, sold it. Piece of crap.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/cadetcode3/guns/IMG_0966.jpg

Barkoff
01-02-2011, 4:52 PM
Sig 230 or the 232. Most reliable .380 I've had. The Browning BDA and the Beretta 84 (?) are basically the same and good ones too. My Walthers are good, but not nearly like the Sig series.

Speaking of the Sig 232, I see the stainless on the CA safe gun list, but not the blued. Oversight?

Swoop
01-02-2011, 4:55 PM
I'm going to be the opposite of rolling, I think the lcp is a decent gun but the sig 238 is an amazing gun, never a problem, extremely reliable and accurate and the real sights make a world of difference, you must have got a bad apple.

ICONIC
01-02-2011, 5:14 PM
Even though i am not a big fan of the .380 caliber. I have to say the Kel tec P3AT is a pretty good gun (and cheaper then the Ruger LCP) or if you can find a Colt Mustang, cant go wrong with that.

Calm
01-02-2011, 5:15 PM
I have had the SigArms P230 in blue and stainless. These are both awesome guns. I preferred the blued for carrying, as it was a bit lighter and every bit as accurate. Fired over 1500 rounds through both, and never a hiccup I would attribute to the pistol.

Looking forward to trying out the upcoming polymer Sig P290 compact 9mm. I am actually hoping it knocks the P230's from their perch in my CCW hierarchy.

oddjob
01-02-2011, 5:20 PM
*Little off topic

Two cops I knew were looking their Beretta 84 (?) and a Browning BDA and were talking about how the mags interchange. I mentioned that both were made by Beretta, but that they should put the guns away. I walked out for lunch. I came back and there was a hole in my desk. Powder burns on the calender on top of my desk. Yep.....A.D. on my desk, hit a cement wall and into a false ceiling. Didn't jam though!

morrcarr67
01-02-2011, 5:27 PM
CZ83 for a 10 round model and a Walther PPK/S for a single stack model.

choprzrul
01-02-2011, 5:30 PM
If you are looking for something small and easier to conceal, look at my signature.

9mm
single stack mag so it is as slim or slimmere that a lot of .380s
Reviewers really like the trigger, but have seen some user comments that don't like it. I think that it just takes some getting used too.

.

Ordnance1
01-02-2011, 5:58 PM
I have a 1980's era Colt Mustang, a Sig P238 and a Walther PPK/S and like the colt the best especially as a carry gun.

robcoe
01-02-2011, 6:46 PM
In .380 my choices would be, in order

Sig p232

CZ83(really close to being on top)

Ruger LCP

Colt
01-02-2011, 6:59 PM
I love this guy..
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p258/EchoBravoKilo/Colt%20380%20Government/GovtModel1.jpg

It's a Colt .380 Government Model (3.25" barrel - slightly longer than the Mustang). If you can find one, they're pretty cool.

Of the current bunch, I love the Sig.

sherm2954
01-02-2011, 7:42 PM
For what it's worth...I don't own a 380 yet, but I recently borrowed both and LCP and a Bersa...I liked them both, but here's my thoughts:
LCP: awesomely concealable...really, really small!...but, hard to do much shooting with it due to the recoil...also, the trigger pull is very uncomfortable for me (or I'm just not used to it)
Bersa: somewhat bigger than the LCP, without a doubt, but holds more rounds, is much more controllable, has all the safety features I want, and you can buy one for about $250 from budsgunshop.com...no CA tax or shipping...

so I'm saving up to buy the Bersa...then, when I have the disposable income, I'll think again about the LCP.

joeyant
01-02-2011, 7:49 PM
I have a Browning BDA 380 given to me by my dad back in 1990. Good thing I never got rid of it because it came with 4 thirteen round magazines. Very easy to shoot. The finish is typical excellent Browning with deep blued steel and high gloss wood on the grip. It may be a 380 but the pistol has the heft of a 9 mm gun.

Recently, I bought a High Point 380 that is basically a throw away gun I keep in my truck. If it gets lost, stolen, or confiscated, no big deal. No way I'm going to keep my BDA in my truck.

The BDA is too big for concealed carry. And if you are going to use it for home defense, you might as well use a 9 mm.

The High Point, is well.....a High Point.

S.A.
01-02-2011, 9:57 PM
I don't if they're the best type, but the one's I own and like how they shoot are Colt .380 gov, Sphinx .380(hi-cap), Colt Mustang .380. Sold the Beretta .380, hated the felt recoil(blow-back)!

Ron-Solo
01-02-2011, 11:09 PM
The Bodyguard 380 for $299 is from a shop that sells to LE only. LCP's are $279. PM me for more info.

forgiven
01-02-2011, 11:22 PM
AMT for me.

homechicken
01-02-2011, 11:43 PM
I have the 232 and its a great little gun. My kids love to shoot it. I bought a police trade in at turners for $500 for one in excellent condition and it has night sights and the houge grips on it. I have a Makarov in 9mm and its a great little gun but it has lots of sharp edges to carry but it is very accurate and very reliable. Practice ammo is more expensive than 9mm but I reload so it takes some of the pain away.
http://gkosin.smugmug.com/photos/918410588_FWyu3-L.jpg

I have the same gun but have many feeding problems. What brand of ammo do you find most reliable?

I've got a box of fiochi that sticks half-way up the feed ramp very consistently. Drives me crazy.

WWDHD?
01-03-2011, 1:46 AM
The price GUN TESTS paid for the S&W Bodyguard .380 was $575. I think its a bit much for me to spend for one but thats whats listed in the article.
Would'nt one of the Kahr 9mm be a better choice? They do cost more but 9mm is much more available and effective. The PM9 is about the same size as some of the small .380's out there. Looked at a CW9 once and felt ok. Very slim. Maybe I'll rent one sometime.

Audi5000
01-03-2011, 5:19 AM
Never shot one, but a friend purchased a Bersa Thunder .380 a few years ago and let me handle it. At the time, was unfamiliar with the brand, but based upon fit, finish, trigger pull (w snaps), I figured it was a custom PPK.

Nope. A $250 clone, and one that performs better/addresses the PPK's shortcomings (at least according to all the reviews I've read). Haven't heard one single bad thing said about it in all the research I've done, which is something I honestly can't say about any other gun I've looked into...ever.

Worth a go if you're not trying to make an impression (although, don't get me wrong, it's a really nice looking/finished gun).

Link to review: Bersa Thunder (http://www.gunblast.com/Bersa_Thunder380.htm)

dfletcher
01-03-2011, 9:22 AM
I'd suppose the NAA in 380 is pretty good. I have the 32 ACP version. Well made and reliable, I'd presume the same of the slightly larger version.

tbhracing
01-03-2011, 9:44 AM
The Sig for sure.

JTROKS
01-03-2011, 10:00 AM
When we're talking 380 I think of a compact pocket pistol. If you're looking for a pocket pistol it is hard to beat the Ruger LCP, Sig 238 and of course the original, Colt Mustang.

I'm not sure if you're looking for a pocket pistol or a small handgun for you wife, but the very best 380 pistol I've ever shot is the Browning BDM, Beretta 84 Cheetah and te Taurus PT58. These pistols are not considered pocket pistols to an average size man, but they will shoot soft enough for a person that can't tolerate too much recoil.

sfguyhere
01-03-2011, 10:43 AM
It has to be "my" PPK/S . . . I've fired tons of different ammo through it, from garbage to primo, just to make sure it'll eat anything. Never, ever had a problem as of yet.

and. . . it's way more accurate than me.

and. . . it's small but has the serious weight of great steel.

lmudave
01-03-2011, 11:57 AM
I had a Bersa .380 and loved it.... Gave it to my brother as a nightstand gun... It was accurate, reliable, and just fun to shoot... Highly recommend it, it never once had an issue. I've since picked up an older Beretta Model 70 .380 and really like it as well, harder to find in California, but definitely accurate and reliable.

duc748bip
01-03-2011, 6:43 PM
Did anyone mention Sig P230SL? :D

NSR500
01-03-2011, 6:53 PM
I like my LCP a lot and don't think the recoil is bad at all. It has been perfectly reliable since I took ownership of it as new.

bsg
01-03-2011, 6:58 PM
Did anyone mention Sig P230SL? :D


yes.

Davidwhitewolf
01-03-2011, 7:02 PM
I love the Bersa. First one I got turned out to be the most accurate semi-auto pistol I own (compared to several Beretta 92s and a Para LDA). Got two more Bersas and they're the same as the first. 2" to 3" 3-shot groups off-hand (!!!) at 25 yards. Evidence here. (http://www.softgreenglow.com/wp/?p=3523)

cowboy777
01-03-2011, 7:06 PM
The bersa thunder is an amazing pistol. Its more comfortable than the ppk for around $300, and so reliable and you can get a 9rnd magazine.

mag318
01-03-2011, 7:56 PM
I think the best 380 is the one that feels and shoots best for you. I really like the nostalgia and quality of the German Walther PPKs. But for a carry gun I would opt for one of the newer micro pocket pistols. I've owned three the first being the Ruger LCP which really started it all in a big way. Mine though reliable and accurate was uncomfortable to shoot after a few mags thru it. Next I bought the Kahr P380 which totally outclassed the LCP. It was much more comfortable to shoot, has better sights, slide locks open after last shot and has a great trigger. Last I bought the S&W Bodyguard 380 and if I had to choose between the three it would be the Bodyguard. My local dealer here in Illinois was selling them for $390 but with S&Ws recent price drop he now charges $309 for them. Buy whatever works best for you.

tonelar
01-03-2011, 8:11 PM
I prefer my Colt Mustang pocketlite / recoil doesn't bother me one bit.

However, for when a shooting partner wants something a little heavier, I have a Sig P238 followed by a Colt Gov't .380 that absorb a little more (and a great deal more) of that mighty .380 recoil.

coltds
01-06-2011, 9:59 PM
If you can find a colt government 380 get it. Nothing else matters

BigDogatPlay
01-06-2011, 10:41 PM
I carried a P230 blued as a backup gun for several years and recommend the P230/232 highly. 100% reliable, even with Hydra Shocks (guess I am blessed) and more comfortable to shoot than others I tried in the class. Ergonomics are excellent but it's a Sig.

Not a true pocket gun, but to me that's not a huge con. Since it was solely a back up the mag release wasn't really a concern for me. It's still a lot of fun to shoot.

tenpercentfirearms
01-21-2011, 6:42 AM
I have two pocket 380s. Colt pocketlite and I just got a couple diamondback 380s for christmas. The colt is for the most part a safe queen but the diamondback is awesome. Its worth the baby glock reputation. It is just bigger then a lcp but with a little more girth to the grip. Shoots like a g26. Get one if you can.

No one knows about the Diamondback DB380 yet. It is an awesome little pistol. I like mine and I am trying like crazy to get them to work with California. If you can get non-rostered guns somehow (legally of course), I would say get the Diamondback. The trigger is much nicer than the Ruger and it has actual sights on it.

I shot mine the other day. 50 rounds of hardball and 7 rounds of Corbon DPX without a single issue.

http://diamondbackfirearms.com/media/images/db380BLR.png

I am going to have to make a video for mine for everyone to see.

Andy Taylor
01-21-2011, 8:11 AM
HKP7K3

Swift Justice
01-21-2011, 8:31 AM
If you can find a colt government 380 get it. Nothing else matters

+1. I have owned and shot many .380 pistols, but by far the best was a Colt Government .380 that belonged to a friend. Every couple of months I try to talk her into selling it to me. She won't, because she can shoot out the X on a target at 7 yards all day long with the thing.

emgee00
01-21-2011, 8:54 PM
I am looking for a .380 and will post my results here shortly, hopefully. I am in the market for the P238 but they are hard to come by. I am looking at alternatives though.....

steve91104
01-21-2011, 9:27 PM
Makarov!

Cheap, reliable and the round is bigger by 1mm :D

Lumpia is sarap!
01-21-2011, 9:40 PM
I'd get the Sig P232.

loose_electron
01-21-2011, 9:58 PM
See:

http://www.mouseguns.com/

for lots of useful info.

I have a Bersa Thunder 380 and like it very much.
Its a well built Walther clone at a lower cost, but still good a quality.

Tanner68
01-21-2011, 10:11 PM
Only one mention of the Colt 1908 and none for the Remington 51. Maybe I am behind the times, but those two are good for me. I will say that little Sig looks interesting. And I would like to test fire that Bersa too.

1freedom
01-21-2011, 10:27 PM
P238 is a fine pocket 380; however, original recoil spring is weak and sig has gone to a slightly heavier spring. Even then buy extras. You will need to replace the recoil springs between approximately 4th 5hundred rounds. The springs are affordable and come in 3's. Other than that, it is a dandy pocket rocket.

m98
01-21-2011, 11:14 PM
I love this guy..
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p258/EchoBravoKilo/Colt%20380%20Government/GovtModel1.jpg

It's a Colt .380 Government Model (3.25" barrel - slightly longer than the Mustang). If you can find one, they're pretty cool.

Of the current bunch, I love the Sig.


2x. My dads got the same model less the night sites.

Imo,Keep buying the pricey 380 ammo as that'll save 9mil for the rest of us;)

MrClamperSir
01-21-2011, 11:16 PM
Sig P230

eqlzr
01-30-2011, 2:57 PM
Many years ago now, I bought an AMT .380 backup. This gun taught me many many things, all good and useful, but not necessarily painless.

To start with, after shooting a box or so of FMJ ammo through the gun, it developed a funny habit of not stripping the first round out of a full magazine when I had fired a round already in the chamber. If I filled the magazine one short of full, it was fine. So, I looked the gun over, and saw that the stainless steel on the underneath part of the slide was galling in the area right over the magazine. I stoned this area smooth again, applied some moly lube to the area, and smoothed and polished the lips of the magazine. After that, it would strip every FMJ round out of a full magazine properly.

Then, despite the dealer swearing the gun would feed hollow-points flawlessly ;-), I discovered that it wouldn't feed hollow-points worth carp. So I got out my Dremel tool and did my first throat job (teeny bit at a time), until it would feed Winchester silver-tip HPs 100%.

I shot it some more, and at the range one day the grip screws got loose enough so that the right side grip popped off. I was dismayed to find that this caused a very important internal part of the mechanism to also fall out. After figuring out how to re-insert this part, and temporarily re-attaching the grip, I learned about the value of Loctite in keeping the grip screws from loosening accidentally.

Now, I've had this gun for almost 23 years, and it has worked flawlessly for 22 of those years. It is very accurate, a bit on the heavy side, but it has held up very well and will actually penetrate better with the Winchester Silver-Tip hollow-points than Winchester 148 grain hollow-based wadcutters will out of my 2 inch barreled snubby.

So, by virtue of the fact that this AMT .380 Backup is my only .380 gun, and the fact that it taught me so much, and the fact that it is now functionally perfect, it is my favorite .380 auto.

maddoggie13
01-30-2011, 3:05 PM
Beretta feels great in my hand; but, a kahr p380 is easy to carry.

moosenut245
01-30-2011, 3:23 PM
I just joined the site and was reading your information listed on the Rugar 380 LCP, but I was told that this small gun was not available for sale in California?
Thanks for information

morrcarr67
01-30-2011, 5:10 PM
I just joined the site and was reading your information listed on the Rugar 380 LCP, but I was told that this small gun was not available for sale in California?
Thanks for information

Look up single shot exempt pistols in this forum and you will find the answers you seek.

aca72
01-30-2011, 6:25 PM
I'll say it again...

The SIG Sauer P230/P232 is simply the best .380 ACP pistol ever made.

The late Uziel "Uzi" Gal trusted his P230: "This is the only gun in the house that was loaded when Uzi died. He kept it in his night stand by his bed."
http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/uzigalcollection.htm

bsg
01-30-2011, 8:24 PM
I carried a P230 blued as a backup gun for several years and recommend the P230/232 highly. 100% reliable, even with Hydra Shocks (guess I am blessed) and more comfortable to shoot than others I tried in the class. Ergonomics are excellent but it's a Sig.

Not a true pocket gun, but to me that's not a huge con. Since it was solely a back up the mag release wasn't really a concern for me. It's still a lot of fun to shoot.


i currently have a P230SL but would like to replace the P230 blued version that got away... just because.