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HealthyGunz
01-01-2011, 10:20 PM
Ok, you guys will have to bear with me, as I am new to this forum and new to wanting to take an active role in politics/legal reform.

So I get the gist of AB962 and I've also done some reading on this forum about how it has been challenged in court. I have some questions:

1. What are our options to getting this bill changed or at least looked at? I'm not familiar with how this works, especially in a state setting. Could a new governor reverse this or do I need to write a state legislature?!?

2. I saw court cases listed here that have been dismissed so far due to the law not even being in effect yet. What grounds were the plaintiffs in these cases using against AB962? Unconstitutional?

3. Does anyone know whether we will be required to fill out all of that paperwork and give our fingerprint EVERY TIME we buy ammo or do we only have to "register" at each location once?

4. Have any stores commented on this law yet? Do they even know about it? I'm curious to see what Wal-Mart and Big 5 are going to do on Feb 1. Are they going to just pull their ammo supply until they can get the equipment and labor needed to sell it or are they going to stop selling altogether? Anyone know?

5. What can I do right now to help at least get my voice out there for a chance to get this bill removed?


I know that was a lot of questions but as you can see, I'm interested in helping so if you guys can answer, I can do my part and get involved because I believe this bill is ridiculous and ignorantly crafted. Thank you.

Librarian
01-01-2011, 10:59 PM
Ok, you guys will have to bear with me, as I am new to this forum and new to wanting to take an active role in politics/legal reform.

So I get the gist of AB962 and I've also done some reading on this forum about how it has been challenged in court. I have some questions:

1. What are our options to getting this bill changed or at least looked at? I'm not familiar with how this works, especially in a state setting. Could a new governor reverse this or do I need to write a state legislature?!?

2. I saw court cases listed here that have been dismissed so far due to the law not even being in effect yet. What grounds were the plaintiffs in these cases using against AB962? Unconstitutional?

3. Does anyone know whether we will be required to fill out all of that paperwork and give our fingerprint EVERY TIME we buy ammo or do we only have to "register" at each location once?

4. Have any stores commented on this law yet? Do they even know about it? I'm curious to see what Wal-Mart and Big 5 are going to do on Feb 1. Are they going to just pull their ammo supply until they can get the equipment and labor needed to sell it or are they going to stop selling altogether? Anyone know?

5. What can I do right now to help at least get my voice out there for a chance to get this bill removed?


I know that was a lot of questions but as you can see, I'm interested in helping so if you guys can answer, I can do my part and get involved because I believe this bill is ridiculous and ignorantly crafted. Thank you.

1) no options. The bill passed the legislature and was signed by the governor in 2009 - it's now law. The legislature is highly unlikely to entertain repeal or amendment - they tried (and failed!) to make it worse last session. See also http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/2009_-_AB_962_De_Leon%2C_Ammunition

2) please read the cases - links to the Calguns Foundation Wiki:
All gun litigation we're tracking: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Litigation_Past_and_Present
OOIDA v Lindley (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/OOIDA_v._Lindley)
State Ammo v Lindley (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/State_Ammunition_v._Lindley)
Parker v California (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php
/Parker_v._California)
-- unconstitutionality was part of the argument

3) Every time

4) Stores know. Lots of AB 962 threads; some stores will wait until February; some out of state sellers have stopped sales to CA already.

5) Hope Parker (above) succeeds.

January is 'new bill' month for the Legislature - please read this thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=161873), and help us monitor the bills and lobby the legislators.

Welcome to Calguns!

HealthyGunz
01-01-2011, 11:26 PM
Thanks Librarian!!! Well, I sure do hope Parker succeeds... I feel that there isn't enough firearm interest in CA to really sway this. :(

Last question. Does this law apply to EVERYONE? Does the CCW, CoE, or being a peace officer exempt someone from this law? Thanks.

Librarian
01-01-2011, 11:36 PM
Thanks Librarian!!! Well, I sure do hope Parker succeeds... I feel that there isn't enough firearm interest in CA to really sway this. :(

Last question. Does this law apply to EVERYONE? Does the CCW, CoE, or being a peace officer exempt someone from this law? Thanks.

CCW, no.

Sworn peace officers and C&R + COE are exempt from the face-to-face requirement, but not the 12061 identification stuff if they actually buy at an FFL.

jtmkinsd
01-01-2011, 11:39 PM
Thanks Librarian!!! Well, I sure do hope Parker succeeds... I feel that there isn't enough firearm interest in CA to really sway this. :(

Last question. Does this law apply to EVERYONE? Does the CCW, CoE, or being a peace officer exempt someone from this law? Thanks.

Read here: AB962 (http://www.ab962.org/ReadAB962.aspx)

CaliforniaLiberal
01-02-2011, 9:30 AM
Ok, you guys will have to bear with me, as I am new to this forum and new to wanting to take an active role in politics/legal reform.

So I get the gist of AB962 and I've also done some reading on this forum about how it has been challenged in court. I have some questions:

1. What are our options to getting this bill changed or at least looked at? I'm not familiar with how this works, especially in a state setting. Could a new governor reverse this or do I need to write a state legislature?!?

2. I saw court cases listed here that have been dismissed so far due to the law not even being in effect yet. What grounds were the plaintiffs in these cases using against AB962? Unconstitutional?

3. Does anyone know whether we will be required to fill out all of that paperwork and give our fingerprint EVERY TIME we buy ammo or do we only have to "register" at each location once?

4. Have any stores commented on this law yet? Do they even know about it? I'm curious to see what Wal-Mart and Big 5 are going to do on Feb 1. Are they going to just pull their ammo supply until they can get the equipment and labor needed to sell it or are they going to stop selling altogether? Anyone know?

5. What can I do right now to help at least get my voice out there for a chance to get this bill removed?


I know that was a lot of questions but as you can see, I'm interested in helping so if you guys can answer, I can do my part and get involved because I believe this bill is ridiculous and ignorantly crafted. Thank you.


Welcome to CalGuns HealthyGunz!

1. The odds are around 1000 to 1 that the CA Legislature will roll back this bill. The Governor has no power to change laws on his own. You'll have opportunities to write, email and call your legislator when new anti-gun bills are introduced in the Legislature in the next couple of months. Stay tuned.

2. The judge in Parker v. California has promised to rule on the case by January 18th (or soon after) in order to have a ruling by February 1st. Stay tuned. OOIDA v Lindley and State Ammo v Lindley were dismissed without a ruling because they "Were not yet ripe" and could well be re-filed if AB 962 goes into effect.

3. Yes, every freakin' time you buy.

4. Great questions. I sure don't know. I don't think we'll know about many stores until after February 1st. Remember, AB962 only applies to "Handgun Ammunition." Try and define "Handgun Ammunition." No one knows what will be included in that definition.

5. Set up regular monthly donations to CalGuns, California Rifle and Pistol Association, The Second Amendment Foundation and/or the NRA to help support these and future anti-gun lawsuits. If you're just going to pick one, I suggest CalGuns Foundation.

Read and learn as much as you can on the 2nd Amendment and on Gun Legislation on the National and State level. Read CalGuns.net - highly educational. Talk to friends and family about The Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Take someone new to firearms to the range for a couple of hours introduction to the joy of guns and shooting. Create new Pro-Gun voters.

locosway
01-02-2011, 9:51 AM
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sawchain
01-02-2011, 10:01 AM
Where can I find a calendar for Parker v California? I've Googled, but can't seem to find a schedule for the case. When will the case be heard?

microwaveguy
01-02-2011, 10:03 AM
Ok, you guys will have to bear with me, as I am new to this forum and new to wanting to take an active role in politics/legal reform.

4. Have any stores commented on this law yet? Do they even know about it? I'm curious to see what Wal-Mart and Big 5 are going to do on Feb 1. Are they going to just pull their ammo supply until they can get the equipment and labor needed to sell it or are they going to stop selling altogether? Anyone know?



Well we may have some education to do at Big 5 ......I was there a couple of weeks ago looking over the high priced M1 carbines and talking to the "kid" behind the counter about ammo and his comment was " it will suck that you'll only be able to buy 50 rnd at at time" I did point out to him that info was incorrect and got deleted from the final bill but his answer was "well I just started a week ago and that is what my manager told me" :banghead:

CaliforniaLiberal
01-02-2011, 10:22 AM
Where can I find a calendar for Parker v California? I've Googled, but can't seem to find a schedule for the case. When will the case be heard?


2. The judge in Parker v. California has promised to rule on the case by January 18th (or soon after) in order to have a ruling by February 1st. Stay tuned. OOIDA v Lindley and State Ammo v Lindley were dismissed without a ruling because they "Were not yet ripe" and could well be re-filed if AB 962 goes into effect.



Look for the "Search" button at the top of the page. Use the Google search, it will search CalGuns better than the other search.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Litigation_Past_and_Present

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Parker_v._California

Librarian
01-02-2011, 10:24 AM
Where can I find a calendar for Parker v California? I've Googled, but can't seem to find a schedule for the case. When will the case be heard?

http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/current-litigation/82-cases-litigation/915-crpa-foundation-seeks-injunction-to-stop-ab-962.html

and see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=374110

(CaliforniaLiberal was 2 minutes faster than I was....)

kcbrown
01-02-2011, 12:14 PM
What can you do?

Order/buy all the ammunition you anticipate you will need for the next year right now.

Parker is the only thing standing in the way of this bill now. I have no idea how to assess the probability that it will succeed. As such, I would fall back to my normal level of skepticism for such things, and assume that Parker will fail. Honestly, if it succeeds then you're only out a bit of money for ammunition that you'll be using anyway...