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dfletcher
01-01-2011, 8:51 PM
...... is now C & R eligible.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=276&name=German+Walther+P1+9mm+Pistol

I don't know if AIM ships to CA, but I suppose someone who has them will. I kind of like the alloy frame. Hmmm.

WW2Buff
01-01-2011, 9:25 PM
If I am not mistaken C&R handguns still have to be DROSd per CA law. I'm not 100% sure on that so we'll wait until another member chimes in. No reason not to get a P1 though!

steve91104
01-01-2011, 11:58 PM
Yep, they have to be sent to an FFL01 and DROS'd :(

iareConfusE
01-02-2011, 12:05 AM
I want one.... stupid CA.

cmichini
01-02-2011, 10:04 AM
I recently saw a reference to these and am counting my shekels to get ready to buy one. SOG has russion capture P-38's (mismatched and renumbered) for 389 or so.

I'm still deciding between P1 (alloy frame) and P38 (steel frame).

P1 is in the lead, though.

I have a C&R, and am irked at the 01 requirement for the nanny state, but I don't think that's going to stop ME.

dfletcher
01-02-2011, 1:10 PM
If I am not mistaken C&R handguns still have to be DROSd per CA law. I'm not 100% sure on that so we'll wait until another member chimes in. No reason not to get a P1 though!

They do and of course have to go through a Type 01 FFL - but now being C & R they are roster exempt and having a C & R FFL can be bought "cash & carry" when out of state.

gotshotgun?
01-02-2011, 1:42 PM
They do and of course have to go through a Type 01 FFL - but now being C & R they are roster exempt and having a C & R FFL can be bought "cash & carry" when out of state.

So if you have an 03 FFL CR license you can drive to Reno, by the pistol cash and carry then drive it in to a califrnia ffl for dros?

Mssr. Eleganté
01-02-2011, 1:56 PM
So if you have an 03 FFL CR license you can drive to Reno, by the pistol cash and carry then drive it in to a califrnia ffl for dros?

If you have a C&R FFL you drive to Reno, buy as many C&R pistols as you want cash and carry, drive them back to California to your home and then register them by mail for $19 each. No need to take them to a California dealer or DROS them.

gotshotgun?
01-02-2011, 3:09 PM
If you have a C&R FFL you drive to Reno, buy as many C&R pistols as you want cash and carry, drive them back to California to your home and then register them by mail for $19 each. No need to take them to a California dealer or DROS them.

Thanks for making a CR noobs day! My paperwork is in the mail and I can't wait!

morrcarr67
01-02-2011, 5:00 PM
Has anyone been able to verify this with ATF? I still can't seem to find anything on it. :confused:

sevensix2x51
01-02-2011, 5:10 PM
Has anyone been able to verify this with ATF? I still can't seem to find anything on it. :confused:

verify what, exactly?

aim will ship the pistol to your ffl, where you can dros it. as a c&r, it is roster exempt. or, you may purchase one out of state using your c&r ffl, then voluntarily(or not so voluntarily, but thats what it's called) register it with caldoj. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/volreg.pdf

laika
01-02-2011, 5:25 PM
As a P1 owner I say grab these great prices while you can. I love mine and even though now that it's 1/2 the price it was before being C and R eligible, it's a wonderful pistol and easy to rack and shoot. Get one soon is my feeling! And get lots of magazines.

bigthaiboy
01-02-2011, 5:46 PM
The main difference now that the Walther P1 is on the C&R list is, that now you can buy from an FFL01 or have shipped to a FFL01 any P1 that you find regardless of which company imported it. Previously, only the Walther P1's imported by PW Arms are on the CA Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, so you had to check the importer markings on the pistol before it could be shipped to CA.

Here's mine. It is a real joy to shoot.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/bigthaiboy/P1.jpg

dfletcher
01-02-2011, 6:36 PM
^^^
This would include P1s imported by Interarms, yes?

morrcarr67
01-02-2011, 7:03 PM
Has anyone been able to verify that they are C&R? The only place that is saying they are is Aim Surplus. I haven't seen anything from ATF. Not that it matters for me I can just ship one to me Nevada license. But, for other people it's not that easy. There are a lot of 01 FFL&s in California that won't just take Aim's word. Just ask all those people that tried to order a Romanian Tokarev from J&G Sales with no luck because ATF hasn't posted a definitive statement on them being C&R Eligible and they can't provided proof that they are 50 years old.

bigthaiboy
01-02-2011, 7:03 PM
^^^
This would include P1s imported by Interarms, yes?

It's actually a PW Arms import. Had it about 3.5 years now. There used to be two P1 importers listed on the roster, but at some point one has dropped off the roster, so if I remember correctly that has to be Interarms.

jmlivingston
01-02-2011, 7:33 PM
Has anyone been able to verify that they are C&R? The only place that is saying they are is Aim Surplus. I haven't seen anything from ATF. Not that it matters for me I can just ship one to me Nevada license. But, for other people it's not that easy. There are a lot of 01 FFL&s in California that won't just take Aim's word. Just ask all those people that tried to order a Romanian Tokarev from J&G Sales with no luck because ATF hasn't posted a definitive statement on them being C&R Eligible and they can't provided proof that they are 50 years old.

Find out the importer and contact them directly. AIM should be able to tell you who that is. Also, Royal Tiger Imports is also advertising them as C&R.

ChronoCube
01-03-2011, 10:07 AM
If you have a C&R FFL you drive to Reno, buy as many C&R pistols as you want cash and carry, drive them back to California to your home and then register them by mail for $19 each. No need to take them to a California dealer or DROS them.

That's legal but the Nevada dealer / seller might not be convinced of it!

morrcarr67
01-03-2011, 6:06 PM
That's legal but the Nevada dealer / seller might not be convinced of it!

Sure they would. That's what your; if you have one, C&R is intended for. So you could buy C&R guns in other states and bring them home. You can also use it to mail order guns too.

RaceDay
01-03-2011, 10:09 PM
Has anyone been able to verify that they are C&R? The only place that is saying they are is Aim Surplus. I haven't seen anything from ATF. Not that it matters for me I can just ship one to me Nevada license. But, for other people it's not that easy. There are a lot of 01 FFL&s in California that won't just take Aim's word. Just ask all those people that tried to order a Romanian Tokarev from J&G Sales with no luck because ATF hasn't posted a definitive statement on them being C&R Eligible and they can't provided proof that they are 50 years old.

Why would AIM lie? Same thing with the Yugo tokarevs that SOG and J&G were selling? It is not just the CA market that these guys are selling to. The big dealers would be illegally shipping all kinds of handguns to FFL03's all over the country. Do you really think they want to go out of business by sending non-C&R guns to people all over America?

The guns are C&R's. Stop overthinking it. And stop believing the FUD that C&R eligible means that some guns may be > 50 years old and possibly C&R. C&R eligible means that it can be purchased with a FFL03 (of course not shipped directly to CA residents due to the stupid laws). You need to find a FFL who is not a crybaby and will accept C&R guns and have him/her/them receive the pistol for you.

Getting any info out of the ATF is going to be next to impossible. They update the C&R list very irregularly.

lavgrunt
01-03-2011, 10:58 PM
Better yet, if you have a C&R FFL and a COE, you don't have to wait the 10 days and walk with the gun as soon as the DROS is sent through........!!!!

darkest2000
01-04-2011, 1:22 AM
Better yet, if you have a C&R FFL and a COE, you don't have to wait the 10 days and walk with the gun as soon as the DROS is sent through........!!!!

I believe that only applies to handguns that are 50 years or older, so the P1,while being a C&R, still needs the 10day wait.

TRICKSTER
01-04-2011, 2:13 AM
I believe that only applies to handguns that are 50 years or older, so the P1,while being a C&R, still needs the 10day wait.



12078 Ca Penal Code.
(t) (1) The waiting periods described in Sections 12071 and 12072
shall not apply to the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of a firearm
that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27
of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor, by a dealer to
a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44
(commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code
and the regulations issued pursuant thereto who has a current
certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of
Justice pursuant to Section 12071. On the date that the delivery,
sale, or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm shall
transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic
report of the transaction as is indicated in subdivision (b) or (c)
of Section 12077.

Don't see anything about 50 years or older in there.

TRICKSTER
01-04-2011, 2:20 AM
Sure they would. That's what your; if you have one, C&R is intended for. So you could buy C&R guns in other states and bring them home. You can also use it to mail order guns too.

Really, that may be what the C&R is for, but there are many Nevada dealers that won't even talk to you if your from CA, they could care less if you have a 03 FFL. Their business, their rules.

Mssr. Eleganté
01-04-2011, 12:16 PM
I believe that only applies to handguns that are 50 years or older, so the P1,while being a C&R, still needs the 10day wait.

Handguns only need to be C&R for the C&R waiting period exemption.

sfguyhere
01-04-2011, 7:58 PM
That is a beautiful gun !!!!!!

I really want one.

thehummerguy
01-05-2011, 5:30 PM
Correct me if I am wrong folks....but any gun needs to be 50 years or Older or on the BATFE C&R Roster.

Here is ATF's Q&A Page answer:

Q: What is a firearm curio or relic?
Firearm curios or relics include firearms which have special value to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

1.Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or
2.Be certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or
3.Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

westcoast362
01-05-2011, 6:26 PM
Bigthaiboy,
That is a nice picture.
The gun you have has a couple of small differences from most that I have seen. It has Kal 9mm rather than Cal 9mm, and the sides of the slide come up higher and cover the edges of the rear of the barrel. Small differences, but interesting.

morrcarr67
01-05-2011, 6:54 PM
Really, that may be what the C&R is for, but there are many Nevada dealers that won't even talk to you if your from CA, they could care less if you have a 03 FFL. Their business, their rules.

Easy, don't buy from those dealers.

RaceDay
01-05-2011, 6:59 PM
Correct me if I am wrong folks....but any gun needs to be 50 years or Older or on the BATFE C&R Roster.

Here is ATF's Q&A Page answer:

Q: What is a firearm curio or relic?
Firearm curios or relics include firearms which have special value to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

1.Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or
2.Be certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or
3.Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Sorry but you are wrong and need to be corrected. Being 50+ years old is one way for a gun to be C&R. Another way is to be recognized by a museum and therefore getting C&R status.

I'm attaching this CZ82 letter that was posted on Calguns a few years back. Obviously the CZ is not 50 years old (not even 30) but it is C&R due to #2 above.

You guys need to get better FFL01's to receive these guns for you.

morrcarr67
01-05-2011, 7:01 PM
Why would AIM lie? Same thing with the Yugo tokarevs that SOG and J&G were selling? It is not just the CA market that these guys are selling to. The big dealers would be illegally shipping all kinds of handguns to FFL03's all over the country. Do you really think they want to go out of business by sending non-C&R guns to people all over America?

The guns are C&R's. Stop overthinking it. And stop believing the FUD that C&R eligible means that some guns may be > 50 years old and possibly C&R. C&R eligible means that it can be purchased with a FFL03 (of course not shipped directly to CA residents due to the stupid laws). You need to find a FFL who is not a crybaby and will accept C&R guns and have him/her/them receive the pistol for you.

Getting any info out of the ATF is going to be next to impossible. They update the C&R list very irregularly.

I agree with you. Those dealers won't sell or do something that will get themselves in trouble.

I don't need to find a 01 dealer that knows what is going on and is not a crybaby.

I have TWO 03 C&R FFL's; one in California and one in Nevada, so that I can just buy what ever C&R I want and ship it to myself with no more 01 dealers.

But, other people are not as lucky as I am and need to prove to some California 01 dealers these things and with out proof some Californians are SOL. That is why I wanted to know if anyone has seen anything from BATF.

morrcarr67
01-05-2011, 7:02 PM
Sorry but you are wrong and need to be corrected. Being 50+ years old is one way for a gun to be C&R. Another way is to be recognized by a museum and therefore getting C&R status.

I'm attaching this CZ82 letter that was posted on Calguns a few years back. Obviously the CZ is not 50 years old (not even 30) but it is C&R due to #2 above.

You guys need to get better FFL01's to receive these guns for you.

That's exactly the type of info I am wondering about on the P-1.

dfletcher
01-05-2011, 7:08 PM
Correct me if I am wrong folks....but any gun needs to be 50 years or Older or on the BATFE C&R Roster.

Here is ATF's Q&A Page answer:

Q: What is a firearm curio or relic?
Firearm curios or relics include firearms which have special value to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

1.Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or
2.Be certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or
3.Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.


ATF also has a process for certifying a less than 50 year old firearm as C & R eligible. Some are obvious - Lindbergh's revolver for example. I've no idea how they do it on others - 2nd Generation Colt SAAs, Smith 53 and all pre-64 Winchester 94s are on it as are quite a few others. I can't figure out their rhyme or reason though. Fine that the Smith 53 is on it, but shouldn't the Smith 58 be there also.

The book is worth a read, you'll do alot of "I can get that!?"

jmlivingston
01-05-2011, 7:29 PM
Find out the importer and contact them directly. AIM should be able to tell you who that is. Also, Royal Tiger Imports is also advertising them as C&R.

Find out the importer and contact them directly. AIM should be able to tell you who that is. Also, Royal Tiger Imports is also advertising them as C&R.


Sorry but you are wrong and need to be corrected. Being 50+ years old is one way for a gun to be C&R. Another way is to be recognized by a museum and therefore getting C&R status.

I'm attaching this CZ82 letter that was posted on Calguns a few years back. Obviously the CZ is not 50 years old (not even 30) but it is C&R due to #2 above.

You guys need to get better FFL01's to receive these guns for you.

That's exactly the type of info I am wondering about on the P-1.



As I said, find out the importer and contact them directly. When the CZ82 first hit the list nobody had any documentation on it until I received that PDF referenced by RaceDay from PW Arms and published it here. If you want a P1 badly enough do the legwork for it and it'll be all that much more rewarding when you finally get it in your hands. Otherwise you'll just have to wait until they find their way into California and dealers start receiving them as C&R's. No reputable dealer is going to transfer one to you on your say-so that it's a Curio, it's going to take paperwork.

John

RaceDay
01-05-2011, 7:46 PM
As I said, find out the importer and contact them directly. When the CZ82 first hit the list nobody had any documentation on it until I received that PDF referenced by RaceDay from PW Arms and published it here. If you want a P1 badly enough do the legwork for it and it'll be all that much more rewarding when you finally get it in your hands. Otherwise you'll just have to wait until they find their way into California and dealers start receiving them as C&R's. No reputable dealer is going to transfer one to you on your say-so that it's a Curio, it's going to take paperwork.

John

Good point. The importers have to have some sort of C&R documentation so if the FFL is being a real stickler then contact the importer and get their proof.

Also, kudos to John for the Cz82 letter. That was a pistol that I really, really wanted.

Geodetic
01-06-2011, 8:11 AM
How can I prove to an FFL that a firearm is a curio and relic? The first question I always get is "is it on the roster?"

dfletcher
01-06-2011, 10:41 AM
How can I prove to an FFL that a firearm is a curio and relic? The first question I always get is "is it on the roster?"


Just say "roster - we don't need no stinking roster ...." ;)

Two things - first you have to show them CA law that exempts C & Rs. If the model hasn't been made in 50 years old that's pretty easy. Then usually a printout from the ATF's C & R book works to show the gun is qualified if it's under 50 years old.

The problems that come up usually involve "under 50 years old" guns that are listed. For example, the Colt OM manufactured from 1953 to 1969 is listed as C & R eligible - unfortunately some FFLs take the approach that means only 1953 to 1959 versions, not 1961, 62 and such. Two ways to approach it - first, since a +50 year old gun (in original condition) is C & R by virtue of age, why bother to list the dates at all? Second, show them the Smith Model 53 - I think it came out in '62 or '63 - these are C & R and there are no +50 Model 53s out there, same thing applies to 2nd Generation Colt SAAs.

The ones that are difficult are guns - like the Smith 10 or Colt Cobra, Detective Special - that are not specifically listed. A +50 would be C & R, a -50 would not be C & R. I guess that's when you break out the Smith DOM & serial number book or Proofhouse.com printout.

Geodetic
01-06-2011, 10:54 AM
I haven't found anything on the BATF website that shows the P1's are curio and relic. I ordered a P1 and it is being sent to my FFL. Could someone point me in the right direction as far printing some documentation? Thank You

bigthaiboy
01-06-2011, 11:00 AM
Bigthaiboy,
That is a nice picture.
The gun you have has a couple of small differences from most that I have seen. It has Kal 9mm rather than Cal 9mm, and the sides of the slide come up higher and cover the edges of the rear of the barrel. Small differences, but interesting.


Interesting. I noticed the 60's manufactured P1/ P38's are marked with Cal 9mm, but 70's and 80's made P1's are marked with the Kal 9mm.
Mine was manufactured in 1977.

RaceDay
01-06-2011, 5:04 PM
I haven't found anything on the BATF website that shows the P1's are curio and relic. I ordered a P1 and it is being sent to my FFL. Could someone point me in the right direction as far printing some documentation? Thank You

It depends how picky your FFL is. If AIM says it is C&R and your FFL is good with seeing it on the website, then you are done. If they want a letter or other proof, then you'll probably be calling AIM and/or the importer for additional proof. Good luck!

You mgiht also try Royal Tiger. They've been working on importing C&R P1's since last October or so.

jmlivingston
01-06-2011, 6:01 PM
How can I prove to an FFL that a firearm is a curio and relic? The first question I always get is "is it on the roster?"


If the P1 is like the CZ82, AIM won't have (or they won't release) the documentation specifying its C&R status. You can write the BATFE Technology Division and ask for a letter verifying the P1's status, or you can go directly to the importer and ask them for a copy of it.

John

toneman
01-21-2011, 4:16 PM
Anyone oredered yet ?

morrcarr67
01-23-2011, 7:03 AM
Nope got laid off and money is too tight for extras right now. :(

cmichini
01-23-2011, 12:49 PM
Anyone oredered yet ?

No, waiting until my COE comes in so I can cash and carry with my FFL. It'll be just like I was back in America!!

toneman
01-25-2011, 8:50 AM
No, waiting until my COE comes in so I can cash and carry with my FFL. It'll be just like I was back in America!!

It will be very nice especially with a handguns.

Anchors
01-25-2011, 9:08 PM
I recently saw a reference to these and am counting my shekels to get ready to buy one. SOG has russion capture P-38's (mismatched and renumbered) for 389 or so.

I'm still deciding between P1 (alloy frame) and P38 (steel frame).

P1 is in the lead, though.

I have a C&R, and am irked at the 01 requirement for the nanny state, but I don't think that's going to stop ME.

SOG has those for $389?
Anyone have SOG newest PDF catalog? I can never get it on their site for some reason.

morrcarr67
01-26-2011, 6:39 AM
SOG has those for $389?
Anyone have SOG newest PDF catalog? I can never get it on their site for some reason.

SOG is out of the P38's.

I tried to upload the PDF but it is too big. Send me a PM with you email and I'll send it to you.

Geodetic
01-26-2011, 4:58 PM
Mine gets out of "jail" on 2/1. I looked it over, was manufactured in '77 or '78... I forget. Overall in very good to excellent condition. The slide was very easy to pull back, is this normal for a P38/P1? Will be an interesting piece to have in my collection. I saw a youtube video where the guy said not to let the hammer fall freely when you decock the weapon as it can break the part that blocks the firing pin... anyone heard of this?

laika
01-26-2011, 5:20 PM
Mine really is easy to rack back. I was not excited about 9mm lately because my b/f's modern 9mm was stiff for me to rack and this one was comparable to my .22lr buckmark.

I saw that warning in other places and am careful about dropping the hammer back down slowly.

Congrats to all new P1 owners, mine is a delight.

Geodetic
01-26-2011, 7:33 PM
Anyone know of a good source for P38 magazines?

toneman
01-26-2011, 8:17 PM
Anyone know of a good source for P38 magazines?

I needa good source for P38 itself.

Anchors
01-26-2011, 8:22 PM
I needa good source for P38 itself.

Yeah.

militia_bob
01-27-2011, 8:14 AM
Mine's sitting in jail right now. I had some rust on the muzzle and crown of the barrel. This was a "hand picked" one.

I'll see how it shoots before I call AIM to complain.

Geodetic
01-27-2011, 8:33 AM
Mine had visible rust on the magazines. It was hand picked as well. Not sure there is much you can do about it. My biggest beef was that they shipped it to my FFL without anything on the package notating it was mine (name, phone# etc.) after they said "Oh yea we'll put your information on it". So I ended up wasting 2 weeks before finally calling the FFL. They had it just sitting there waiting for someone to call :eek:

I've been very happy with AIM as far as ammo shipments. This is my first firearm purchase from them... lukewarm:rolleyes:

Milsurps
01-27-2011, 10:21 AM
Anyone know of a good source for P38 magazines?

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearmaccessories/magazines/german-p1-p38-mag.htm

:D

militia_bob
01-27-2011, 10:35 AM
I prefer using other vendors who are more friendly towards Ca gun owners. But you can't beat the price.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG805-36.html

Mag Walther P38 or P1 Factory 9mm 8 Rounds Used Very good Condition
$11.97

mdouglas1980
01-27-2011, 10:57 AM
]Why would AIM lie?[/B] Same thing with the Yugo tokarevs that SOG and J&G were selling? It is not just the CA market that these guys are selling to. The big dealers would be illegally shipping all kinds of handguns to FFL03's all over the country. Do you really think they want to go out of business by sending non-C&R guns to people all over America?

The guns are C&R's. Stop overthinking it. And stop believing the FUD that C&R eligible means that some guns may be > 50 years old and possibly C&R. C&R eligible means that it can be purchased with a FFL03 (of course not shipped directly to CA residents due to the stupid laws). You need to find a FFL who is not a crybaby and will accept C&R guns and have him/her/them receive the pistol for you.

Getting any info out of the ATF is going to be next to impossible. They update the C&R list very irregularly.

Why would they lie??? exactly!!! Just as stated if they were lying they would be illegally shipping guns to 03's...why would they do that?? C'mon...

I spoke to AIM and they said they would be happy to ship these to 01's in CA for us :-)

mdouglas1980
01-27-2011, 11:09 AM
It will be very nice especially with a handguns.

^^ I have done this and it's really, really, really awesome!

C&R + COE + cash and carry any C&R = smiles on my face!!

eighteenninetytwo
01-27-2011, 5:06 PM
as of today they had 40 odd left

bczrx
02-10-2011, 11:51 AM
I have one from AIM that I will find out next week if it raised red flags with the state. We listed it as C&R.

Felt nice. No cracks. Trigger was heavy in DA, but manageable, with a pronounced sideways twitch. SA was heavyish, but relatively clean. Slide and barrel are phosphated? Like the AIM pictures of the P1 on the right-not a black/blue finish, but a chaulky gray.

A LGS has a Mauser P38 and a Walther P38 on the shelf for $799 and $999. I didn't tell them that I picked up mine for $420 [after shipping/transfer fees/dros]. And my trigger feels MUCH better than theirs!

The holster that comes with it is a cloth cammo one that looks like military gear, but cheaper. It has 'P1' on the inside, so it was designed for it. I'd rather have leather-but I bought the gun, not the holster. I should be picking in up next Tuesday or Wednesday, as that is when my 10 days are up.

bigthaiboy
02-10-2011, 12:44 PM
I have one from AIM that I will find out next week if it raised red flags with the state. We listed it as C&R.

Felt nice. No cracks. Trigger was heavy in DA, but manageable, with a pronounced sideways twitch. SA was heavyish, but relatively clean. Slide and barrel are phosphated? Like the AIM pictures of the P1 on the right-not a black/blue finish, but a chaulky gray.

A LGS has a Mauser P38 and a Walther P38 on the shelf for $799 and $999. I didn't tell them that I picked up mine for $420 [after shipping/transfer fees/dros]. And my trigger feels MUCH better than theirs!

The holster that comes with it is a cloth cammo one that looks like military gear, but cheaper. It has 'P1' on the inside, so it was designed for it. I'd rather have leather-but I bought the gun, not the holster. I should be picking in up next Tuesday or Wednesday, as that is when my 10 days are up.

I suspect those P38s were WWII at that price. Post-war P38/ P1s had an aluminum frame instead of steel and were in service with the Bundeswehr well into the 90's. The flecktarn holster uses a proprietary hooking system unique to the Bundeswehr webbing system. You'll find it won't fit on a US pistol belt.

eighteenninetytwo
02-12-2011, 5:00 PM
Just picked mine up today. Very happy. Solid, all matching locks up tight with spare mag and holster and manual.
Full marks to AIM on these.

toneman
02-18-2011, 11:51 PM
So anyone shoot one yet ?

eighteenninetytwo
02-19-2011, 12:35 PM
Took mine to the range today. GREAT. Very tight 8 shot groups (2 inch or so) at 7 yards when I did my bit. Took me about 10 rounds to get used to the trigger but I was extremely happy with results using both 115 and 147 GR ammo. So happy in fact that I have just put my nearly new Sig 226R 9mm on the private sale board (hint). Its great but doesn't have the character of the Walther (for me anyhoo).

bczrx
02-19-2011, 2:55 PM
Mine hit the range today also. Groups were tight enough for me. I am lucky to get 3" groups with my 9mm and 4" groups with my .45acps. This is speaking to MY skill level-not the weapon.

The P1 was about 3 or 3 1/2" groups when I tried, which is GOOD for me.

However, I noticed that the sights appeared to be low and right.

I had the gunsmith at the range shoot it. He experienced the same issue. So, time to drift sights and file the top of the front one.

This has good potential and was a lot of fun. Fed all the ammo without flaw. Cool to watch it eject to the left too!

I'm happy.:D

eighteenninetytwo
02-19-2011, 3:39 PM
Funny mine was also slightly low and right. Once I settled down the center of group was about 2inches down and one inch right of point of aim. Drifted front sight to correct and have to correct the elevation somehow but I'm loathe to file an original sight.

DasBoost
02-19-2011, 5:21 PM
Really interested in one of these as my first foray into 9mm. This thread makes me even more interested! Capacity is 8 or 9 rounds correct? I may have to call AIM and set something up.

laika
02-19-2011, 5:34 PM
Really interested in one of these as my first foray into 9mm. This thread makes me even more interested! Capacity is 8 or 9 rounds correct? I may have to call AIM and set something up.

Strongly recommend it!:D

a1c
02-19-2011, 6:58 PM
Saw this last week on AIMSurplus' website... And been wanting one. Pondering it.

Then last night, I watched The Good, The Bad & The Weird, where the "Weird" shoots a pair of P38s. I think it's a sign I need to get one.

Santa Cruz Armory
02-19-2011, 7:07 PM
I reallllly wish that with my FFL03 and COE could allow me to ship C&R pistols to my residence... who do I talk to about this?? :/

I mean really, I have my FFL03, COE, FL CCW, I can ship long guns to my residence, no 10 day wait for C&R pistols, exempt from the HSC (P.O.S.T.), and I STILL have to pay the $75 goddam FFL extortion fee??? How can one petition the DOJ to change their laws?? I am SO legally legit, it's not even friggin' funny!! :mad: It's bullshat laws like this that really piss me off.

The $75 transfer fee is what kills a lot of the C&R pistol purchases for me. :(

Rant off!

sigfan91
02-20-2011, 12:59 AM
They don't shoot low. That's how the Germans sighted their service pistols. The target doesn't sit above the front sight blade. The front sight blade is supposed to cover the target.

Did you guys get yours recently from AIM? How are the qualities? Some have complained the recent batch from AIM being somewhat rusty.

cmichini
02-20-2011, 8:53 AM
I reallllly wish that with my FFL03 and COE could allow me to ship C&R pistols to my residence... who do I talk to about this?? :/

I mean really, I have my FFL03, COE, FL CCW, I can ship long guns to my residence, no 10 day wait for C&R pistols, exempt from the HSC (P.O.S.T.), and I STILL have to pay the $75 goddam FFL extortion fee??? How can one petition the DOJ to change their laws?? I am SO legally legit, it's not even friggin' funny!! :mad: It's bullshat laws like this that really piss me off.

The $75 transfer fee is what kills a lot of the C&R pistol purchases for me. :(

Rant off!

If your in CA you can't have C&R handguns shipped to you directly. You have to go through 01 FFL and DROS. With the COE you can pick it up and go, no 10 day waiting period. Long gun C&R's can be shipped to you in CA.

You can, however, buy C&R handguns out of state, bring in and file the reg form.

DOJ doesn't make the laws, the kindergarten (legislature) does. Good luck trying to get the bedwetters from relaxing firearms laws in the People's Republik. Think of the children!!!