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NYY
01-01-2011, 6:18 PM
I bought my Mosin at big 5 yesterday, and CANNOT wait until the 10 days are over. But last night, I feel like i "cheated" on her while she was away in the shop for her 10 day jail time - I couldn't stop looking at the precision rifle picture thread... I grew a large taste to want to own a precision rifle, but then thought of the idea of making my Mosin a PR just for now. Think I should mount an intense scope on her when she comes home? Thanks

Quinc
01-01-2011, 6:25 PM
heck yeah you should!
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=303021

cruddymutt
01-01-2011, 6:34 PM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/cruddymutt/mosin.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/cruddymutt/015.jpg

Yes they look good with period glass on them. I dont know about precision though;)

NYY
01-01-2011, 6:40 PM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/cruddymutt/mosin.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/cruddymutt/015.jpg

Yes they look good with period glass on them. I dont know about precision though;)

Very nice! Yea I was thinking about an old original PU but... Just not sure yet. I love the way those look though

stitchnicklas
01-01-2011, 6:42 PM
watchout the purist are coming to lynch you.....

like they did to me....

NYY
01-01-2011, 6:49 PM
haha none to worry, ill sit them down, and fully explain in detail the velocity of a 7.62x54r bullet at close range. Then hopefully they will adjust their beliefs

Quinc
01-01-2011, 8:09 PM
Cruddy what mount are you using and where did you get it? :D

Spiggy
01-01-2011, 8:48 PM
shoot it first, no sense on butchering the rifle when you don't know if it shoots right

This is how many curio and relics have turned from $500 rifles with $200 in parts to $100 deformities.

Quinc
01-01-2011, 10:03 PM
shoot it first, no sense on butchering the rifle when you don't know if it shoots right

This is how many curio and relics have turned from $500 rifles with $200 in parts to $100 deformities.

Luckily this is a 70$ rifle that is going to get xx$ in parts and still be worth no less than 70$ ;)

Interloper
01-01-2011, 10:41 PM
First off, you could spend $1000 on a scope and mount and you still won't turn a Mosin into a "Precision Rifle". The thing will probably shoot 3" groups regadless of the glass you hang off of it.
Second, you could get a decent scoped commercial rifle for around the same price as your Mosin project but actually get good accuracy.
Third, it's an historic relic and it would be a shame to ruin it.
But these arguments generally don't phase you guys. You could at least try shooting a few hundred rounds out of in stock form and read up on the weapons history a bit. You might find that you really like it just the way it is.

Luckily this is a 70$ rifle that is going to get xx$ in parts and still be worth no less than 70$ ;)

That's where you're wrong, old bean.
Twenty years from now when these things have vanished from the market, all these Bubba projects will have no value beyond their parts...say $70. Meanwhile, the guns still in their original condition will be worth many times that. Don't believe me? Take a look into the Mauser market. ;)

Noonanda
01-02-2011, 8:25 AM
haha none to worry, ill sit them down, and fully explain in detail the velocity of a 7.62x54r bullet at close range. Then hopefully they will adjust their beliefs

What are you going to explain, I have been reloading 7.62x54R since 2003 so "enlighten me o wise one".:rolleyes:

Noonanda
01-02-2011, 8:27 AM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/cruddymutt/mosin.jpg

Yes they look good with period glass on them. I dont know about precision though;)

Cruddy is that your PEM?? How does it shoot? Is the mount real or a repro?

Noonanda
01-02-2011, 8:46 AM
heck yeah you should!
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=303021

There is a difference from what the OP in the link you provided Did and the OP of this thread wants to do.
tho_sun bought a barrelled reciever and made it into something nice. He didnt take a complete rifle and Sporterize it/hack it.
Think your rifle will be valuable when you sell it on Gunbroker? Read my signature and search GB for "sporterized Mosin" perfect example is auction 209496750

Quinc
01-02-2011, 9:55 AM
If hes worried about the collection value then he should buy two and keep one original. Again its a 70$ dollar gun. yes in 20 years from now it might be worth 140$ Or another surplus shipment of a million rifles will come in and drop the price down to 30$...

Noonanda
01-02-2011, 11:01 AM
well I'll see your rifle on Gunbroker then I guess for $150, where it will relist till Al Gore shuts his internet down

Dr.Mauser
01-02-2011, 3:07 PM
I cant beleive that the scope costs almost 3x s as much as the rifle itself

Howie44
01-02-2011, 3:09 PM
haha none to worry, ill sit them down, and fully explain in detail the velocity of a 7.62x54r bullet at close range. Then hopefully they will adjust their beliefs

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That would be a neat trick considering there are some of us that have been collecting 54R type rifles for a looonngg time, and a few of us that got our expert rifle quals and CIB's while you were still in diapers.

Don't waste your time spending a lot of money on good glass for a 91/30. It will NEVER be a precision rifle. You might want to save your money for a Finn mosin (M39, M28/30, M28/76) if you want an accurate Mosin.

cruddymutt
01-02-2011, 8:36 PM
Cruddy what mount are you using and where did you get it? :D

The PU is an ex-sniper. 1942 Izzy with a repro base, Izzy mount, and 1942 SVT scope. Previous owner refinished the stock.

The other is a 1939 Tula exsniper with an Igor PEM side mount base/mount and a Ukraine repro PE scope.

I also have a 1935 Tula PE top mount exsniper with the Ukraine repro set up.

caoboy
01-02-2011, 9:01 PM
Yes they look good with period glass on them. I dont know about precision though;)


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Is this precise enough for you? :D

Howie44
01-02-2011, 9:12 PM
t2M1hC4c0tc

Is this precise enough for you? :D

Nope! Sorry, but 3 out of 5 with handloads is not "precise". Its pretty good for that rifle, but not precise (unless you consider minute of human to be precise)

Interloper
01-02-2011, 9:25 PM
t2M1hC4c0tc

Is this precise enough for you? :D

Something wrong with your bolt there chief?

Anchors
01-02-2011, 9:33 PM
I believe he thought that the precision rifle purist would be hunting him down for using an old surplus rifle and that he would explain the ballistic value of 7.62x54r.

I think this is his first taste of the C&R purists that are going to hunt him down for bastardizing a piece of history.

brianinca
01-02-2011, 10:01 PM
A "precision" rifle is one capable of MUCH less than MOA accuracy at extended ranges. The garden variety "sniper rifle" of the last century isn't in the ballpark of that. You're buying an INFANTRY rifle, not a "sniper" rifle! Who are you kidding?

Buying a $100 rifle and adding $500 of mount and glass gets you a LOT less bang than a generic $399 package rifle from Turners or Big 5, regardless of the buck. Yes, a Remington 770 is a stinking POS, but it will shoot better with factory ammo than your 91/30 EVER will. Get a Savage 11 package and you'll be MILES ahead of whatever your pocketbook could bear in sprucing up an M44 or a Kar98.

Step away from the crack pipe and appreciate the battle rifle the 91/30 is. If pushing back the Nazi hordes isn't historical enough for you, or if the history is moot - get a freaking modern rifle and glass combo and learn to shoot!

Regards,
Brian in CA

caoboy
01-02-2011, 10:14 PM
Something wrong with your bolt there chief?
Not my vid...I wish I had that land to shoot on! :D

Oh and for it not being precise, it's a mosin nagant...you have to admit it's pretty dang good for being what it is...

Dr.Mauser
01-03-2011, 1:39 PM
I'll have to agree ^^^

cruddymutt
01-03-2011, 8:01 PM
t2M1hC4c0tc

Is this precise enough for you? :D

Thats a good shooter but most Mosins cant do that. I think if a guy wants to build a precision rifle out of a Mosin then they should use an M39 Finn. I can think of better rifles for the job though.
I have a 24"x24" target at 800 on my range. If a mosin can hit that 5 out of 5 then its a damn good shooter we say.