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smokinstang65
01-01-2011, 4:05 PM
So I made my first firearms purchase a couple weeks ago. I picked up a Mossberg 500 field/security combo and a 1943 Mosin Nagant. I took it apart and have been in the process of stripping the stock. I've heard arguments both to do it and not to but I said screw it, it only was $99 and it was covered in that cosmoline. None the less, I'm quite happy I did. Markings that were previously covered and not visible really became much more visible. I don't plan on doing any sanding beyond a light dusting with 600 grit for fear of ruining any of the markings. My only decision now is shellac or linseed oil to treat it? I've done some research on a few of the markings thanks to 7.62x54r.net but some still seem a bit odd. It appears I made out fairly well as the butt plate, receiver, trigger assembly, bolt and stock seem to match numbers. I do have my doubts about when the writing in the stock was put in though. Anyways, here are some pictures.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_aPya2du-cH4/TR_HNoIR15I/AAAAAAAAEoA/OFNzxgTslFY/s720/100_4664.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_aPya2du-cH4/TR_HRvqK6WI/AAAAAAAAEoQ/1jsni_WXYLw/s720/100_4670.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_aPya2du-cH4/TR_HYEYpLbI/AAAAAAAAEog/Yp3X2BA-44Y/s720/100_4681.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_aPya2du-cH4/TR_HlJ9Im5I/AAAAAAAAEo0/wac2ajd9ol8/s720/100_4688.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_aPya2du-cH4/TR_HmuVHXiI/AAAAAAAAEo4/KUBD57dDOXg/s720/100_4689.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_aPya2du-cH4/TR_G_cBsNnI/AAAAAAAAEnM/5f7HSt7vzKY/s720/100_4650.JPG

smokinstang65
01-01-2011, 4:11 PM
I have more pictures of the oddball markings and descriptions of them here.

http://picasaweb.google.com/101210231196232338788/MosinNagant#

Palimino Stripe
01-01-2011, 10:58 PM
Congrats on your first Mosin!

You have a 1943 Mosin Nagant M91/30 Made by Izhevsk.

It reminds me a lot of my first Mosin too (also a 1943 Izhevsk).

As far as the stock- A lot of people will howl that you should keep it "original" and use shellac. Others will say go with linseed oil. I prefer shellac just because it looks better (IMHO)... But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As far as the markings-

Triangle with Arrow (And soviet 'crest') = Izhevsk manufacuter

Large circle on stock = It was a soviet hammer & sickle with "CCCP" on the outside of the circle... In fact this is what it looked like-

(Here's one of my M44's for comparison):

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/Palimino444/Mosin%20Nagants/Picture550.jpg
(That's what a nice shellac finish can look like by the way :D)

As far as the dozens of other random markings (particularly on the underside of the barrel) they were just that- random markings hastily applied by Soviet hands in 1943. The true meanings of most markings you are inquiring about are simply not known- and probably never will be known.

Oh- and the pencil marks on the 'inside' of the stock were likely placed there during the refurbishment process (in the 1970's Soviet stockpiles of Mosins were overhauled and put away nice-n-greasy).

Congratulations again- tis' a fine weapon. You should have a fun time shooting it ;)

-Palimino

johnthomas
01-01-2011, 11:19 PM
Great job on stripping the stock. I use birchwood casey stain and trueoil. It comes out great with a nice shine. I'm thinking about trying the minwax rub on finish the next time around. Congratulations on both new weapons. Here is a link to the sticky on how to finish a stock.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=321453

smokinstang65
01-02-2011, 12:57 AM
Wow, those look nice. Mine didn't come out as nice as I'd have hoped but I also didn't do any heavy sanding because I was afraid of eating through some of those nice markings. None the less, for a first time, it aint too bad and looks a lot better than cosmoline. NOW, to take the Mosin Nagant, the Mossberg and my Winchester Model 88 shooting tomorrow :D

semperfidelis354
01-02-2011, 2:17 AM
Very nice! I pick up mine on the 6th, hopefully I can get it cleaned up as well as yours palimino,

Johnthomas: I may give that minwax rub on finish a try, if I do ill post some pics or something

semperfidelis354
01-02-2011, 2:20 AM
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morrcarr67
01-02-2011, 8:32 AM
Nice Mosin. Hand rubbed linseed oil for the stock. :)

smokinstang65
01-02-2011, 10:40 AM
Well I got her out to the range today. Yowsa, she's a hoot to shoot. Now I'm looking for another one lol!

emcon5
01-02-2011, 12:05 PM
Great job on stripping the stock. I use birchwood casey stain and trueoil. It comes out great with a nice shine. I'm thinking about trying the minwax rub on finish the next time around. Congratulations on both new weapons. Here is a link to the sticky on how to finish a stock.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=321453

That turned out pretty good, but I would personally start out less aggressively on a historic rifle. Denatured alcohol and 0000 steel wool will make short work of the shellac, then a good cleaning and a few coats of Boiled Linseed oil, followed by some 1/3 mix (http://www.thegunstockdoctor.com/Products.html). If you are not happy, then you can move on to chemical strippers and sandpaper.

I wouldn't sand it at all, don't want to risk removing any incomprehensible markings ;)

rojocorsa
01-02-2011, 12:58 PM
1943 Izzy 91/30 was also my first. I love it!

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6494/intpics004.jpg

Rough and tough Russian Iron FTW!

CDFingers
01-03-2011, 4:56 AM
I love the very rough metal on the '43's. At the time, the Nazis threatened many of the Soviet arsenals, forcing workers to turn out rifles where non essential surfaces were left rough--it's a time thing: When you're getting shot at, you don't really feel like making polished surfaces for purely cosmetic reasons. You just want the rifle to fire and hit what it's aimed at.

CDFingers

Haggar85
01-03-2011, 4:23 PM
congrats! be warned though. the virus might take hold...and once its in your veins....you'll stop at nothing to have the gun locker, attic, under the bed, pantry and garage filled with mosins.

smokinstang65
01-03-2011, 4:32 PM
Haggar ... I shot my Mosin yesterday, I stopped by Big 5 immediately afterward to view their Mosin selection. I'm screwed!

laika
01-03-2011, 5:53 PM
Alas, there's a Big 5 on the way to and from the range we shoot at and we always joke about stopping and shopping for yet another Mosin!

On the other hand, for the price how can you beat them? And a lot of respectable history there. SO I say shop and shoot on. Congrats on your first of many!

October
01-03-2011, 7:03 PM
Lets Bubba it now.

Low-Pressure
01-03-2011, 7:23 PM
congrats! c&r is very addicting!

Interloper
01-03-2011, 8:28 PM
Hmmm. Shame that you stripped that one. Few stocks have the CCCP cartouche.
The marks on the underside of the barrel are mostly unknown. They are proof/inspector marks.
You might as well polyurethane or Tru-oil it at this point.

Haggar85
01-03-2011, 8:36 PM
Haggar ... I shot my Mosin yesterday, I stopped by Big 5 immediately afterward to view their Mosin selection. I'm screwed!

Sounds like you got the bug.Dont fight it, it only gets worse. get the C&R license and check out J and G sales. good luck

sx1010
01-03-2011, 10:09 PM
It looks like those could be the original matching parts on a non refurbished Mosin . The fonts on the numbers and letters of the serial stamps all seem to be the same as far as I can tell from the pics. I dont see the usual refurb marks either.

smokinstang65
01-04-2011, 8:10 AM
I'm pretty well pleased with it. When the guy at Big 5 found out I was in the Navy (he was a Marine in the 60's), he put the first one I'd been looking at up and went into the back of the store and brought out this one and told me it was in much better condition. Now I just can't wait until my spam cans of Russian ammo arrive :D

Interloper - As far as the stock goes, I really don't regret stripping it by any means because that CCCP cartouche was just barely visible if you held it at just the right angle before I stripped it down. I've shellaced the stock since and things seem to look pretty good now.

Mojaveman
01-08-2011, 3:40 PM
Welcome to the Mosin club Smokinstang,

I paid only $89.00 for a nice Mosin so I could care less about the collector value of the rifle. I stripped the finish off to the bare wood with stripper and then boiled the cosmoline out of the stock with a small exposed coil electric hotplate. It took about 20 hours to do so. I then filled the gouges with sawdust/glue and sanded the entire stock with 220 grit. Next came a nice stain job with Birchwood-Casey walnut stain followed by Tru-Oil. It looks really nice too. I even blued the bolt and the metal sling hole protectors. The last project will be to install a taller pin into the front sight so point of aim is point of impact.

Nostrovia!

samspade77
01-08-2011, 7:04 PM
Congrats on your new purchase, but you made a big mistake. You'll want to buy more! LOL! Don't worry because most of us can't stop either. Have fun and be safe!