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BadIndianSwamp
12-31-2010, 8:41 AM
If this has been posted before, I apologize. I find it odd that the judicial players often still argue what the Fathers intent of 2A really was. There is plenty of documentation supporting the simple view that "the people" means "the people" and "keep and bear" means "keep and bear" always.

http://cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm

The following quotes are in the public domain. Many you've seen before, I hope some are new to you. I am trying to gather as many as possible in one place. If you have more citations appropriate to the subject, please send them to capn_ball@cap-n-ball.com. I would also like having specific sources, especially for the quotes below. If you can help, send them in too. If you wish to print these, there is a printer friendly size also.
Quotes on the Second Amendment
The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves "
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."

" the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; "
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"
The Founding Fathers on Arms

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8
The Founding Fathers on Maintaining Freedom

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
Noah Webster
American Lexicographer

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion."
Edmund Burke
British Statesman, 1784

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson
to James Madison

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
American Statesman
Later Quotes on Gun Control

"The ruling class doesn't care about public safety. Having made it very difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having left ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as best they can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame us and our guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an honest mistake."
Malcolm Wallop
former U.S. Sen. (R-WY)

"An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject."
Anon.
Seen on a bumper sticker
Pro Gun Control

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

"If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things."

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933
Acknowledgements
I did not personally do any research from original documents, but I would like to thank the following sources.

* "Trader Bob" of Thunder Ridge Muzzleloading who had a selection in various places throughout the catalog.
* "Colonel Dan" in the Cowboy Chronicle, who always has interesting commentary as well.
* Marvin H. Meuser, Jr. in the "The Right Voice" has a selection of quotes supplemental to his essays on gun control.

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rimfire78
12-31-2010, 9:25 AM
Oh come on. Where'd you get that clap trap?

frankm
12-31-2010, 10:17 AM
The quote from Hitler hasn't been proven yet. Anyway, there are a lot of enemies of the Constitution in government right now. Dare I say, even more than a couple of years ago.

dustoff31
12-31-2010, 11:45 AM
The quote from Hitler hasn't been proven yet. Anyway, there are a lot of enemies of the Constitution in government right now. Dare I say, even more than a couple of years ago.

It has been proven. He never said it. Hitler and the Nazi's gun laws were in truth much more liberal than at any time after WWI. Unless you were a jew or some other sort of undesirable, that is.

The truth is that the gun laws in Nazi Germany were eerily similar to our current federal gun laws.

Apocalypsenerd
12-31-2010, 3:43 PM
That Hitler fake quote coupled with the Sara Brady quote make for some really awesome propaganda.

The "There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass" quote from Ishokoru Yamamoto seems too contrived as well. Anyone know if it is accurate or propaganda.

dustoff31
12-31-2010, 6:41 PM
That Hitler fake quote coupled with the Sara Brady quote make for some really awesome propaganda.

The "There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass" quote from Ishokoru Yamamoto seems too contrived as well. Anyone know if it is accurate or propaganda.

This quote is entirely unsubstiantiated. There is no evidence that Adm. Yamamoto even spoke those words. He did say something to the effect that in order for Japan to win the war they would have to march into the White House and dictate the terms of peace. Perhaps this was twisted into the "rifle" quote similar to "Sleeping giant" quote.

The only time "sleeping giant" bit came from his mouth was in a couple of movies. He did in fact say this:

A military man can scarcely pride himself on having "smitten a sleeping enemy"; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack.
Reply made to Ogata Taketora, the Editor in Chief of Asahi Shimbun (9 January 1942) as quoted in The Reluctant Admiral (1979) by Hiroyuki Agawa

Apocalypsenerd
12-31-2010, 7:31 PM
So where did the blade of grass quote originate? It's a great quote, and when I have done some online searching, I've seen no evidence of origin or falsehood.

Apocalypsenerd
12-31-2010, 7:36 PM
How about the Sara Brady quote, is that on record somewhere or false?

dustoff31
12-31-2010, 7:53 PM
How about the Sara Brady quote, is that on record somewhere or false?

You mean this one?

According to GunCite:

The "Socialist America" quote from "Sarah Brady"

"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us are totally disarmed."

---Falsely (hilariously?) attributed to Sarah Brady of Handgun Control, Inc. supposedly in The American Educator, published by the American Federation of Teachers (or alternatively, attributed to a speech to AARP, late 1991) [GunCite: Currently, far more commonly cited as The National Educator, January, 1994, Page 3.]

This bit of dialogue is reminiscent of a bad movie, and even if Sarah Brady really were bent on fighting for international socialism, she's not quite stupid enough to say so out loud! [GunCite comment: The Bradys used to be registered as Republicans. It is unlikely they would harbor a belief in a socialist America. (Sarah Brady is now registered as an independent.) ] Even Lyndon LaRouche couldn't believe this conspiracy...


No clue on where the blade of grass quote came from.

AJAX22
12-31-2010, 7:58 PM
Might want to look at this site:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html

Brady quote never happened...

It was neo nazi propaganda.

Apocalypsenerd
12-31-2010, 8:12 PM
Amazing. There are quite a few websites out there that attribute that quote to her.

GWbiker
12-31-2010, 9:07 PM
It has been proven. He never said it. Hitler and the Nazi's gun laws were in truth much more liberal than at any time after WWI. Unless you were a jew or some other sort of undesirable, that is.

The truth is that the gun laws in Nazi Germany were eerily similar to our current federal gun laws.

Germany's Weimar Republic mandated public gun registration in 1928. All guns were to be registered with the local Police. Hitler ten years later ordered those same registration records used to disarm all Jews in Germany.

Our Gun Control Act 1968 (GCA-68) is very similar to the Weimar gun registration law.

dustoff31
01-01-2011, 6:34 AM
Germany's Weimar Republic mandated public gun registration in 1928. All guns were to be registered with the local Police.

And prior to 1928 gun ownership was prohibited entirely.


Hitler ten years later ordered those same registration records used to disarm all Jews in Germany.


There is no question that he did. My point was that so long as one was not a member of a undesirable group, gun life during that time was better that at any time in the past.


Our Gun Control Act 1968 (GCA-68) is very similar to the Weimar gun registration law.

Along with changes made by the Nazi's in 1933, as I said above, it's eerily similar.

I'm sure you are familar with it, but for those who are not here is an excellent article on the subject:

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

gatdammit
01-02-2011, 2:52 AM
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

- Thomas Jefferson

From fightthebias.com

Wrangler John
01-02-2011, 3:44 AM
What those guys said is superfluous, they are over a hundred years old, nobody can understand them. At least the Constitution is not understandable due to its advanced age according to Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, so it follows that the men that wrote the document are equally unfathomable, being older still than the Constitution.

five.five-six
01-03-2011, 9:34 AM
those guys were all idiots, none of them even knew that health-care is a right in america

weezil_boi
01-03-2011, 4:02 PM
this one (coped from the OP) is cool... I''ll look it up and plaster it everywhere if legit. :)


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"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States"

Ieyasu
01-03-2011, 8:02 PM
this one (coped from the OP) is cool... I''ll look it up and plaster it everywhere if legit. :)


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"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States"

It's bogus as well as several other quotes (fabrications) erroneously attributed to the Founders, in the OP's post:

See http://guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

The Jefferson "plowshare" quote is thoroughly bogus as well.

BKinzey
01-03-2011, 9:12 PM
I wouldn't take any quote from that site without checking it out. Too many bad ones.

I also thought it odd he states "All these quotes are in the public domain." I can't think of any instance where quoting an individual's public statements aren't in the "public domain" :confused::confused:

BadIndianSwamp
01-03-2011, 11:32 PM
Sorry for that posting. Everything written in the original post except the first three sentences was from the linked site. In my excitement, I posted it without really examining it's validity.

DannyInSoCal
01-03-2011, 11:58 PM
At one time or another - I'm sure that each one of us has either had the exact same thoughts - Or voiced the same opinions.

These quotes were contributed in error - But that does not lessen the deeper messages.

Fact or fiction?

We have less gun rights today than 5, 10, 20, or 50 years ago - While the government keeps growing at an unchecked pace...?