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Haggar85
12-29-2010, 10:33 AM
k, my friend got a 91/30 a short time ago. a few days back i got to take a look at it close up.
it has 4 plugged hoes from where a scope was, and the scopes serial number stamped on the left side of the receiver. the bluing over where the scope mount was is more or a Burgundy color and does not match the rest of the rifle.
its a 1943 tula but it lacks the CN or CH stamp. it has the standard mosin proofs. there appeared to be 3 triangle stamps with numbers in them. the barrel shank had a 1 in a triangle. the receiver has a 3 in a triangle and the bolt had a 1 in a triangle. it does not have DDR stamped on it though.
there are 3 proofs that i can think of that are over stamped (as if canceled out.) by the Ukrainian beaver teeth and X in the box stamps. theres another proof that has been stamped out but its hard to determine what the proof used to be.
i know the DDR used stamps similar to these but i am not 100% certain is the DDR's doing. what would other signs be that point to a DDR rifle?

No i don't have any pics but if i bother him he might send me photos or post them here.

hybridatsun350
12-29-2010, 11:13 AM
Not sure if you've read this yet, but it's got some good info...

http://www.mosinnagant.net/global%20mosin%20nagants/ddr-m44-carbine.asp

mievil
12-30-2010, 3:58 PM
Sounds like you may be getting the DDR triangle 1 mark confused with the Izzy arsenal mark.

They didn't mark the bolts. Although this looks similar, it is not the DDR mark.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/thickwall.jpg from 7.62x54r.net

The triangle 3 is probably a random inspection stamp.

This is what a proper DDR triangle 1 mark is:

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee345/JD762/IMG_0306.jpg

There shouldn't be 4 plugged holes from a scope. If it was scoped, it would have 2 holes. If there is a different number on the barrel which you thought was for the scope, it was probably a number put on by the importer that often happens. Not really a scope number.

Of course I could be completely wrong, but pics do much more justice than descriptions. So if you've got any pictures, that would be great.

Haggar85
12-30-2010, 4:09 PM
it has the Tula star and the 1 in the triangle, not the izzy. ill get my buddy to take pics and i will post them. the numbs very well could be some other type of numbers but they are not elector penciled, like CAI and IO numbers. i have seen some other snipers that have numbers in the same place that were supposedly the number to the scope it that was mounted on it.

TRAP55
12-30-2010, 6:55 PM
There shouldn't be 4 plugged holes from a scope. If it was scoped, it would have 2 holes.
Two holes for the screws, and two holes for the pins.

dogolden
12-30-2010, 7:07 PM
WOW - a triple date MO DDR rifle!

Interloper
12-30-2010, 8:40 PM
There are other "number in triangle" marks that are just unknown but common proofs of some kind. We need a pic of the mark on the receiver. Could very well be DDR.

WOW - a triple date MO DDR rifle!

No sh**! :eek:
And on a recent Century import! Talk about a diamond in the rough!

mievil
01-03-2011, 10:29 PM
Two holes for the screws, and two holes for the pins.

You are correct. I didn't account for the pins.

it has the Tula star and the 1 in the triangle, not the izzy.

So the bolt has the star and a triangle 1? Or are you saying the barrel is a Tula with the DDR mark? I'm just referencing the bolt with the DDR mark that you mentioned. More than likely it's got an Izzy bolt even if it was a Tula barrel.

I'd be quite interested to see this. A Tula DDR sniper would be an interesting combination.

mievil
01-03-2011, 10:51 PM
Well, for what it is worth, I just found this:

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=185&p=769132

So there are known DDR sniper rifles out there. Very interesting.