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cqbdude
12-26-2010, 5:27 PM
I have been wanting one of those GSG-5 even since they came out..
I have a few Ruger 10/22 to play with, so I was not in a hurry to get one.

I bought one off a calgunner just recently, and was finally able to shoot one.
It is used, and it looks like its a Gen 1.

It's having FTE every 3 rounds or so..

I have only tried one type of ammo so far, federal 550 bulk ammo, but I have had great luck with the ammo in all of my ruger 10/22, Ruger Mark II, and my AR with a ceiner .22 conversion kit.

Anyone have the same issue with their GSG-5?

jchen76@gmail.com
12-26-2010, 6:48 PM
22 semis with exception of ruger 10/22 are finicky when it comes to ammo. Try another load like mini mags. I had a chance to shoot a gen 1 gsg5. The owner ran only cci stingers since they ran 100%. Try some hotter loads such as Winchester wildcats or Aquila super maximum.

roushstage3
12-26-2010, 6:58 PM
Maybe the ammo you are using is jacketed, but I do know if I run straight lead ammo in my GSG it starts to have problems. The jacketed ammo fixed that.

grammaton76
12-26-2010, 7:07 PM
The early gen GSG-5's look a LOT more like the MP5 than the modern-gen ones. The modern-gen ones almost look as far off as those goofy Armscor rip-offs of the M16 and AK-47.

cqbdude
12-26-2010, 7:39 PM
Thank You...I will check out hotter ammo's to try..

GUNNTZ
12-26-2010, 8:01 PM
Might be a stupid question, but have you inspected to see if it's clean and lubed properly?

smguser
12-26-2010, 8:16 PM
Don't forget about the recoil adjustment at the rear of the bolt. If that's been messed with it can effect feeding. Fot what it's worth mine works best with the Federal Value Pack 550's.

The Sauce
12-26-2010, 8:28 PM
Mine also works great with bulk stuff. Have you taken it apart to make sure everything is all good inside?

rudolfz
12-26-2010, 8:36 PM
Make sure you aren't "resting" your hand on the magazinee while shooting. That's the only thing that caused mine to act up.

Izzy43
12-26-2010, 10:30 PM
Maybe the ammo you are using is jacketed, but I do know if I run straight lead ammo in my GSG it starts to have problems. The jacketed ammo fixed that.

Might be the ammo but there is no such thing as a "jacketed" .22lr round. 22Magnum can be a jacketed round and most are. The copper on the .22lr is just a copper chemical wash that acts as a lubricant. It may be true that his rifle doesn't like that type of round.

cqbdude
12-26-2010, 11:32 PM
Mine also works great with bulk stuff. Have you taken it apart to make sure everything is all good inside?

I have not completely taken it apart yet..not that I would really know if there is something that is not right.

I might have to take it apart and just look..
It feeds fine, it just doesn't eject the last round completely out.
It stove pipes most of the time..

cqbdude
12-26-2010, 11:33 PM
Might be a stupid question, but have you inspected to see if it's clean and lubed properly?

Its pretty clean...when I started shooting it..

Eroland7
12-26-2010, 11:42 PM
My GSG-5 will do that after i shoot a few hundred rounds or if i didnt clean it after my last use. When I bought mine I was suprised to see how much build up there was after only shooting about 100 rounds. I'm not sure exactly why that is, but I just clean the barrel entrance area very well after use and I never have that problem anymore unless I shoot a few hundred rounds through it then that stick build-up starts forming and I start having a few FTE's.

Scratch705
12-26-2010, 11:50 PM
I have not completely taken it apart yet..not that I would really know if there is something that is not right.

I might have to take it apart and just look..
It feeds fine, it just doesn't eject the last round completely out.
It stove pipes most of the time..
only the last round? it can be a magazine issue.

My GSG-5 will do that after i shoot a few hundred rounds or if i didnt clean it after my last use. When I bought mine I was suprised to see how much build up there was after only shooting about 100 rounds. I'm not sure exactly why that is, but I just clean the barrel entrance area very well after use and I never have that problem anymore unless I shoot a few hundred rounds through it then that stick build-up starts forming and I start having a few FTE's.

.22lr is a dirty round. hence why it dirties a lot faster than centerfire guns.

cqbdude
12-27-2010, 12:07 AM
only the last round? it can be a magazine issue.



.22lr is a dirty round. hence why it dirties a lot faster than centerfire guns.

Not only on the last round...its all over the place..
some on the 3rd , 6th, etc...
I have 4 magazines...all doing the same thing..

Gio
12-27-2010, 12:17 AM
Make sure to let the mag hang on it's own. Do not apply pressure it at all, I noticed that doing that it would jam up. Also it might need to be stripped down and cleaned and lubed afterwards.

savasyn
12-27-2010, 12:20 AM
As you bought it used, are you sure that you have the factory GSG mag? You might have have some of the Promags which may or may not work with your gun(reports vary). I finally got to try some Promags and they do not work with mine, but others have great luck with them.

Definitely give cci mini-mags a try and see if they run. With factory mags and ccis, mine runs 100%.

Cyclepath
12-27-2010, 12:28 AM
Could be a loose ejector.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y37Vcm1A5o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y37Vcm1A5o)

echang86
12-27-2010, 12:30 AM
When is the last time you cleaned and lubed your GSG-5? 22lr's can get very dirty. And when they do, they get picky.

I've run federal flawlessly through my GSG-5. I use ProMags too.

cqbdude
12-27-2010, 2:52 PM
Does anyone have a link of a good tutorial on how to take the gsg-5 part to clean, just to get this out of the way...Its not dirty btw..but I better start clean..

It looks like I have the factory magazines..but I'm not sure the difference between the Promags and the factory ones..

I will take some pictures..

I did read not to put any pressure on the magazines while shooting, so I made sure of that..

Cyclepath
12-27-2010, 3:54 PM
Op: I would contact ATI if you are having these problems. Take a look at the video above and see if you have a ejector that is not riveted. From the way you described it, it sounds like a loose ejector.

You can contact chris@americantactical.us (chris@americantactical.us), 1-800-290-0065 ext. 153 mon-fri 9am to 5pm EST or Ray - ray@amchar.com (ray@amchar.com), 800-333-0695 ext. 109. I believe one of them will be able to help or direct you.

Contact Info Breakdown (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=236712)

GSG-5 Forum AR15.com (http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=41)

cqbdude
12-27-2010, 5:24 PM
Op: I would contact ATI if you are having these problems. Take a look at the video above and see if you have a ejector that is not riveted. From the way you described it, it sounds like a loose ejector.

You can contact chris@americantactical.us (chris@americantactical.us), 1-800-290-0065 ext. 153 mon-fri 9am to 5pm EST or Ray - ray@amchar.com (ray@amchar.com), 800-333-0695 ext. 109. I believe one of them will be able to help or direct you.

Contact Info Breakdown (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=236712)

GSG-5 Forum AR15.com (http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=41)


Thank You for the infomation..

I will give ATI a call...

I will also take some pictures of the internals..

roushstage3
12-27-2010, 5:36 PM
Might be the ammo but there is no such thing as a "jacketed" .22lr round. 22Magnum can be a jacketed round and most are. The copper on the .22lr is just a copper chemical wash that acts as a lubricant. It may be true that his rifle doesn't like that type of round.

Ok I miss spoke thanks for the correction. Try remmington golden bullets (brass plated hollow points). It reduced the lead build up, but haven not had an issue once I switched to them.

gsrious
12-28-2010, 6:35 AM
dont be too disappointed. its a great gun. just needs tlc. mines eats up the fed,cci, and aguila with both the factory mag and the promag magazines perfectly. after about 500+ rounds it just needs to be cleaned. i just blow pressurized air from my air tank to clear things out. runs great again for another 500-800 rounds.

smbob
12-28-2010, 10:38 AM
My GSG-5 will do that after i shoot a few hundred rounds or if i didnt clean it after my last use. When I bought mine I was suprised to see how much build up there was after only shooting about 100 rounds. I'm not sure exactly why that is, but I just clean the barrel entrance area very well after use and I never have that problem anymore unless I shoot a few hundred rounds through it then that stick build-up starts forming and I start having a few FTE's.

+1
My 10-22 and a few other auto loaders do this. Most of the time when this
happens the culprit is a gummed up chamber. Like others here have said
the 22 LR is a dirty round and some brands of ammo are dirtier than others.
Give it a good cleaning with a brush, solvent, a jag, and patches. I would
also get a 22 Boresnake and take it with you when you go out shooting.
After 100 or so rounds pull it through the barrel from the breech and you
will be good to go until you get back home and can clean it thoroughly
with solvent like you would every time after shooting. If it keeps giving
you problems I would switch ammo. Aguila high velocity hollow points,
Armscor high velocity hollow points, or Mini-Mags work great in my 22's.
Good luck. Hope this helps.

Robert

smbob
12-28-2010, 10:46 AM
Does anyone have a link of a good tutorial on how to take the gsg-5 part to clean

Here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nO_t1sB9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaPEsN-3qWc&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vMdbqRrioI&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_tj32nc8MU&feature=channel

cqbdude
12-29-2010, 9:26 AM
I went ahead and took some pictures of the GSG-5 while it was apart.

It looks clean, I checked the ejector and it wasn't loose.


http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302686.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302684.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302683.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302681.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302679.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302675.jpg

cqbdude
12-29-2010, 9:27 AM
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302673.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302672.jpg

I bolted everything back up and shot it again last night with some remington ammo and still had the same issue..

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302663.jpg

Its not completely ejecting the round after loading another live round in the chamber.

Here is the picture of the magazine..it looks factory..

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL619/13205205/23495616/394302668.jpg

I will buy other types of ammo like cci mini mags to see if this will cure the problem..It will be dissappointing since mini mags are more expensive to shoot than my bulk federal..should have just stuck with my ruger 10/22's.

Cyclepath
12-29-2010, 5:55 PM
Did you take the bolt carrier apart when you checked the ejector? It is wedged in between the bolt so it might appear tight when it is actually loose. Try locking the bolt back and see if it moves. I used Federal 550 bulk packs only through mine and they work fine.

If that is not it, I would definitely talk to ATI and send it back to them and have them test it out. I sent mine back for some warranty work and they upgraded some parts that were apparently upgraded from the earlier versions. They also replaced some mags that I complained had weak springs.

cqbdude
12-30-2010, 8:58 AM
Did you take the bolt carrier apart when you checked the ejector? It is wedged in between the bolt so it might appear tight when it is actually loose. Try locking the bolt back and see if it moves. I used Federal 550 bulk packs only through mine and they work fine.

If that is not it, I would definitely talk to ATI and send it back to them and have them test it out. I sent mine back for some warranty work and they upgraded some parts that were apparently upgraded from the earlier versions. They also replaced some mags that I complained had weak springs.

I did move the bolt back and try to move the ejector and it seems fine.
but I never took the whole assembly apart...

I did call ATI and advised me to send the whole gun back and they will upgrade..
But damn, I can't believe the previous owners sold it the way it was.

Thank You all for your help..

I might still disassemble it further to see if I can get it to work before I send it off to ATI.

HDoctane
12-30-2010, 12:14 PM
cci mini mags

cqbdude
12-30-2010, 2:25 PM
Ok..I will get some for this weekend..

dodge
12-30-2010, 2:50 PM
cci will help, but am guessing you didn't buy 22lr to buy the most expensive, yet reliable ammo. i used to use remington & occasionally get a ftf, but rarely fte. maybe return rifle to gsg rep here in states to correct the problem. IF the upgraded ammo performs similarly

yeah, even though you aren't the initial purchaser. they're customer service is pretty good & they're establishing themselves still. so will probably fix for shipping back & forth

there are also kits that rebuild nearly all the internals. beefing up all the screws & where/how they're held in place. figured yours being 1st generation that previous owner would've already done this upgrade.

i wanted a gsg5 til i held one, then held the sig.
it's an air rifle pumped up; compared to 556 down graded a bit

good luck w/the cci. hopefully that will cure your problem, but still over 2x what i'm paying for also reliable ammo in my sig 522. it eats nearly everything that's known to be reliable in 22lr. :)

pingpong
12-30-2010, 3:23 PM
I have one of the earlier GSG-5's, and I haven't had any issues shooting Fed525bulk, Augila, or cheapo-Centurion ammo. Have you tried a different mag (the promag ones are pretty bad from what I hear)?