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erik_26
12-24-2010, 6:06 PM
In your opinion, what is the best non-1911 .45 ACP for the best price. In other words, what is the best value without a lot of compromise?

I guess some things to list would be:

Brand/Model
Price
Accuracy out of the box
Features that should be standard
Features that separate it from the rest

Chief-7700
12-24-2010, 6:10 PM
Are you looking for plastic or steel based .45ACP's?

Turo
12-24-2010, 6:11 PM
In spite of being considered cliché, GLOCK 21.

It's a double stack, so it would be a little wider in the grip, but GLOCK is always dependable and very accurate out of the box.

missiondude
12-24-2010, 6:15 PM
Way too many choices without you narrowing it down. Best idea is find a range that rents loads of guns, rent those guns, pick the one that works best for you...

Some I would consider...

Glock in 45 ACP
S&W M&P 45
Springfield XD or XDM
S&W 625 (If you like revolvers)
S&W 945 Can be had barely used for about 1K and shoots like a very high dollar 1911
S&W 4506 Discontinued 3rd generation, built like a tank and feeds anything

Sure others will chime in, there are so many choices...

erik_26
12-24-2010, 6:17 PM
I like metal frames over plastic. But I am open to polymer frames if I can find the right feel and price point.

I know Glock makes excellent guns. I am just not into them personally. Thanks for the input though. Very much appreciated.

Ranger20
12-24-2010, 6:21 PM
Kahr P45 OK so you don't want the Glocks

Here is a good choice P45.. I've seen them for around $599. as the lowest price.

http://www.usautoweapons.com/rsr/KAKP4544_1.jpg

Since you are willing to spend near a grand then the 220 is also a great choice just a bigger gun
The 220 C is a little smaller.
http://www.christiangunowner.com/images/sig220right.jpg

fullrearview
12-24-2010, 6:24 PM
Sig p220

erik_26
12-24-2010, 6:26 PM
I have been eyeing the Sig P220 for some time. In fact I have held it several times. It feels so nice to hold. I haven't been able to shoot it yet.

But I want to make sure I consider all my options. At just under $1000 I want to make sure I get the best value for my money.

1911Operator
12-24-2010, 6:28 PM
My fav non 1911 45 handgun has to be the XD45. awesome gun, very slim grip for people with medium sized hands, super tough and very accurate. The glock is too bulky for me, too bad cause i like glocks.

ScottB
12-24-2010, 6:32 PM
If the SIG fits your hand, it gets my vote hands down. I have one plus a few 1911s. I don't care for polymer guns, but its a tool so get what works for you. If the SIG is a little (a little) big, you can get slim grips and a short trigger (different than the short reset trigger), both are reasonable.

dfletcher
12-24-2010, 6:42 PM
My non-1911 45s are a Smith 745 with a Whichita adjustable rear sight - single action only, it's a big comfortable target pistol with a great trigger. I have a CZ97 that is DA/SA and it's well made, all steel, reliable and accurate. I keep it as my house pistol. My most accurate is a 70's version Smith Model 25 - a 6.5" barrel, accurate as heck and easy to shoot. If I were going for accuracy the 25 would be the one to use, but I'm guessing ACP revolvers aren't what you were asking about.

Para has a whole line of LDA guns that while based on the 1911 I would not consider to be 1911s.

The FN 45 is a neat non-1911 pistol too. Soft recoil, fits the hand well and is reliable.

Plisk
12-24-2010, 6:51 PM
P220

JanG
12-24-2010, 6:53 PM
cz97

Knight_Who_Says_Ni
12-24-2010, 6:53 PM
No H&K USP45 love yet?

den888
12-24-2010, 6:54 PM
HK, Glock, or Sig

Uriah02
12-24-2010, 7:01 PM
No H&K USP45 love yet?

I was getting there. My USP is my favorite semi with a hammer, my XD is my favorite striker fired semi. I like H&K and XD but the XD wins in both price and capacity.

xenophobe
12-24-2010, 7:05 PM
Sig P220 without a second thought.

No H&K USP45 love yet?

Too big and blocky in my hands.

erik_26
12-24-2010, 7:05 PM
Anyone have experience with a Ruger P90?

When I was looking for a 9mm previously I looked at the SR9. The rattling from a brand new one was a huge turn off. I like to try to buy American products when possible. My little Ruger 10/22 is so much fun to shoot and a great gun.

Any thoughts on the P90?

roushstage3
12-24-2010, 7:23 PM
I love my Kimber, but the XD is a great alternative.

shooterdude
12-24-2010, 7:25 PM
cz97

+1 for this. Nicest .45 I ever owned, never been a 1911 dude. Heavy steel gun felt like a 9mm when fired.

CSACANNONEER
12-24-2010, 7:25 PM
How about a 2011?

barthel
12-24-2010, 7:37 PM
I absolutely LOVE my Ruger P345. Accurate, easy to maintain and you can't beat the price. I've owned a few .45's and i like the Ruger the best so far.

Steve1968LS2
12-24-2010, 7:37 PM
Sig p220

This.. and the combat version has been shown to be almost indestructable..

Steve1968LS2
12-24-2010, 7:39 PM
No H&K USP45 love yet?

My full sized USP shot like a dream.. and the recoil system was nice.

I gave the nod to the sig for the non-polymer frame.. but that's a personal preference.

cc56
12-24-2010, 8:45 PM
The HK USP45 is by far one of my favorite handguns followed by my 1911. If you look for a used one the price is ok. I think it is accurate and it has never malfunctioned on me. Mags are a little expensive but last even after dropping them a lot. My vote would be USP45 followed by Sig 220 for 1911 45ACP.

odysseus
12-24-2010, 8:50 PM
Sig P220 is for sure a great choice. Hammer and a hammer drop for those that prefer this.

While the HK USP45 is bulky and sometimes awkward, it is also a great shooter that eats everything, also again for someone that wants a hammer with safe hammer drop for it, also in D/S action.

bsg
12-24-2010, 8:53 PM
older w german/german Sig P220 .45 ACP is one that will not disappoint. you can find one in pristine condition for $575+. $650 seems to be about the usual going price for an extremely clean one. this is one worth searching for.

good to go right out of the box; just grease the rails and go.
no whistles and bells on my w german P220; just utter dependability in a no nonsense handgun.

BamBam-31
12-24-2010, 8:56 PM
Sig 220 ST. Mine is tight as a vault and super, super accurate. More ergonomic than it's 226/229 brethren, too, for some strange reason (slimmer grip & lower bore axis, perhaps?). Bought mine new for $700, and it without a doubt can hold its own with top end 1911's in terms of sheer accuracy.

Synergy
12-24-2010, 9:48 PM
No H&K USP45 love yet?

I also suggest the USP. It has similar controls as the 1911.

DannyInSoCal
12-24-2010, 9:51 PM
Glock 30SF

Accurate out of the box. ( 6 inch 5 shots groups at 25 yards )
New = $600 / Used = $450

Let the haters hate - I like sidearms that go bang every time...

Thanx, Danny

Oceanbob
12-24-2010, 9:56 PM
Glock 30SF

Accurate out of the box. ( 6 inch 5 shots groups at 25 yards )
New = $600 / Used = $450

Let the haters hate - I like sidearms that go bang every time...

Thanx, Danny

THIS^^^^ And the G30 will accept the normal 13 Round mags as well. Nothing like serious fire-power in a compact package.!

http://i52.tinypic.com/23ww31i.jpg

windsheer
12-24-2010, 10:06 PM
I have 3 sig 220's and the latest version of the 220 carry is the lightest recoiling of any 45acp I own . I have a emotional ties to my stainless one.
But the 20 cary is perfct size caliber and simplicty in function with hammer down for those who may be more comfortable with a stiffer trigger for the first shot Picture tis you hear some loud noised in our home your heart is pounding your mind is racing and your clearing rooms in your houses. That trigger could safe a life. If I was a pro and practiced at least 1000 rounds a mounth then a Wilson Combat or other custom 1911 with a 3.5 pound trigger would do fine. But I'm not. I know that if I was in a real gun needed situation the Sig would be my choice. A plus is parts are availabel and they are easy enough for me to strip it down and put it back together. The term to hell and back reliability is no myth . My sigs are 100% reliable. as the U.S Navy Seals that what they use .

grnt
12-24-2010, 10:22 PM
Ruger P90. Double action, no magazine disconnect, no loaded chamber indicator, no key locks, etc. Single stack so you don't have to buy 10 round neutered mags compared to free states that allow HI Cap. Built like a tank. Very affordable and shoots very well. The price of one HK, Kimber, or Sig, you can buy 2 used P90's.

g17owner
12-24-2010, 10:23 PM
I have owned a 1996 P220 a USP 45 and a 1943 ithaca 1911 as well as other 1911's and i can say the one i still have is the USP. Best combat NON 1911 45 acp there is IMHO.

9mmepiphany
12-24-2010, 10:28 PM
If we're going to do pictures...here's one in each color

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/9mmepiphany/DSC_1267.jpg

The ST on top was the better buy because I got it as a former LE trade-in factory CPO gun for ~$600...it was like new without even any holster wear. I think you can still find them for <$700

Packy14
12-24-2010, 10:30 PM
p220. Maybe a combat version. HK is overpriced nonsense (having owned a 1200$ HK, and shot several others, I can say that). HK would be great if it was 30% less $$. Sig ftw.

1911su16b870
12-24-2010, 10:36 PM
IMO Glock 21...

...yes I have a 220, XD45, Beretta 8045, and a USP, but the G21 is it for me.

zfields
12-24-2010, 11:26 PM
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_L9wuEAD0zJM/TPihGsPzEoI/AAAAAAAAABc/xJMfxv560FA/newxd.jpg

ejor
12-24-2010, 11:28 PM
first choice sig 220,for the money though, my ruger p90 is super reliable and more accurate than i am and the aftermarket 10 round mags work great too

OrovilleTim
12-24-2010, 11:37 PM
I sure love my Baby Desert Eagle (Jericho 941.) Most comfortable .45 I've held/fired. I found it on accident 1911 shopping, and ended up purchasing that instead of one.

Fishslayer
12-24-2010, 11:38 PM
Any thoughts on the P90?



In your opinion, what is the best non-1911 .45 ACP for the best price. In other words, what is the best value without a lot of compromise?

Ruger KP90. No contest, IMO.

I guess some things to list would be:

Price: Right around $500 in stainless & alloy.

Accuracy out of the box: Excellent

Features that should be standard: Good sights, acceptable trigger.(Of course, mine is in the shop right now for Trijicons & a trigger job. :D )

Features that separate it from the rest: Not a whole lot of earthshaking features in any modern semiauto. I like the fact that the P90 has no mag disconnect.

GW
12-25-2010, 1:51 AM
Glock 30
Stone reliable and accurate enough for HD/SD
Looks be damned
The gun works

ianS
12-25-2010, 3:11 AM
My favorite non-1911 at any price is the Glock 21SF.

Others I like:
S&W 4506
H&K USP and HK45

RT13
12-25-2010, 3:47 AM
Best NON-1911 .45ACP:

In Steel = Sig P220ST
In Alloy = Sig P220
In Polymer = M&P45 Hands down! (And I do own Hk's, Glocks, and others.)

All three are superb out of the box. Best feel, design and ergos go to M&P. Best trigger goes to Sig of course. Least recoil goes to P220ST. Most accurate very slightly goes to P220ST.

Miltiades
12-25-2010, 4:52 AM
I would second all the recommendations for a Sig P220. I've had the P220ST version for about a year, and am still amazed at how well it shoots compared to my 1911s and H&K USP45. The ergonomics are exceptional and the trigger is very good.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/SigP220ST04.jpg

bsg
12-25-2010, 5:46 AM
to be fair... my son loves his G21SF.

i still (as earlier stated) believe in the older Sig w german/german P220 .45 ACP. on my wish list is a Sig P220 9mm; for that matter, any caliber the P220 was made in.

NSR500
12-25-2010, 5:50 AM
FNP45 / FNP45 Tactical

:cool:

fennecfrank
12-25-2010, 6:27 AM
Since OP didn't say if the guns have to be on the list.....here is my pick:

HK Mark 23 / Mk23

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p76/Aceman_photos/Guns/HK-Mk23_a.jpg

jjwblacklabel
12-25-2010, 7:14 AM
I've got a USP .45 and love it. Not a big fan of single/double action triggers (vastly prefer a good custom 1911 trigger) and it's pricy but overall the gun is fantastic. my biggest reason for preferring the USP though is that it's built to go through hell. research the testing requirements for them sometime- very impressive. Also, my buddy has an XD45 and he swears by it. It's a bit small for my big hands but its still a great gun.

bombadillo
12-25-2010, 7:21 AM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_73/products_id/43752

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/43/43752.jpg

I would LOVE to own a performance center M945 one day. A bit pricy, but dead sexy.

BHPFan
12-25-2010, 9:13 AM
In your opinion, what is the best non-1911 .45 ACP for the best price. In other words, what is the best value without a lot of compromise?

I guess some things to list would be:

Brand/Model
Price
Accuracy out of the box
Features that should be standard
Features that separate it from the rest

If you're talking about one with the best affordable price, probably a used Ruger P90, especially the earlier versions (90's). At less than $400 (I got mine for $300), it has a lot of bang for the bucks: Reliable with any ammo and excellent combat accuracy out of the box.
A feature that I feel should be standard for that pistol, probably night sights.
A feature that separate it from the rest... it as an extremely rugged pistol at a very affordable price: A used Ruger P90 costs less than a used .45ACP Glock.

faterikcartman
12-25-2010, 9:19 AM
P220

Andy Taylor
12-25-2010, 9:26 AM
If you are on a real tight budget-Ruger P90
If you are on a budget-Springfield XD
If you are not on a budget-Sig P220

hefedehefe
12-25-2010, 9:41 AM
XD45

freonr22
12-25-2010, 9:54 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=78914&d=1292574744

p220st ftw

k1dude
12-25-2010, 10:00 AM
S&W M&P 45

Sig P220

dascoyne
12-25-2010, 10:01 AM
Glock 21SF

morrcarr67
12-25-2010, 10:14 AM
Sig P220 :2guns:

dascoyne
12-25-2010, 10:31 AM
Wabbit Season.

tonelar
12-25-2010, 10:34 AM
There's an awful lot of posts in favor of the Sig SAUER 220 for a reason.

It's my #1 .45acp handgun. Don't get me wrong, I cherish my 1911's (they're timeless and amazing shooters that I'm very proud to own, maintain and tear up paper targets with), but my first choice for a CCW in 45acp will always be my West German P220.

dascoyne
12-25-2010, 10:46 AM
Duck Season.

razr
12-25-2010, 11:03 AM
+1 on Glock.

wildhawker
12-25-2010, 11:14 AM
P220, CZ97, G21/30SF

gwl
12-25-2010, 11:30 AM
I like my SIG P220 Combat.

Fishslayer
12-25-2010, 11:48 AM
There's an awful lot of posts in favor of the Sig SAUER 220 for a reason.

.

Yeah. Kinda went from "Best non-1911 for the price" to SIGs, HK & 1911 race guns...:rolleyes:

Reading
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;)

i<3HK
12-25-2010, 11:49 AM
P220 Sport, USP45 Match

MossbergMan
12-25-2010, 12:01 PM
In order:
XD45 Tactical - Priced right, accurate, consistant trigger and fits mosts hands well (uses CZ/Browning Hi Power grip)
Sig P220 - Priced higher, accurate, sadly double/single action trigger, need right sized hand to truly enjoy.
Glock 21SF - Priced fairly, accurate, consistant trigger, fits better than the standard 21.

Common factor is almost all modern guns will group better than the shooter holding it. Rare is the case that a shooter really needs to improve the fit or barrel to extract better accuracy. Ammo affects accuracy more than anything else. Bullet weight, rate of twist, velocity all combine for accuracy of a handgun, so unless you're considering a Hi-point or other second tier firearm, forget asking about a gun's accuracy. Concern yourself with things like fixed vs. adjustable sights - Single v. Double Action v. Safe Action triggers- Active v. Passive safety feature - General eronomics for you and finally caliber. You want .45acp, excellent choice and as most have stated before "what gun feels best in your hand". Rent those guns you have narrowed it down to. Seek professional assistance from an instructor even. Most indoor ranges have some sort of "gun pro" like golf courses have pros.
Have fun and let us know what you end up with.

Fishslayer
12-25-2010, 12:07 PM
Take your pic. They were all $600 or less when I bought them. ]

If used is on the table then heck yeah! I have seen a few SIG 220 & HK USP45 in the past year or so right about $600. IMO those were great deals and if I'd had the $$$ at the time I woulda boiled on any of them. Seems I always had my eye on something else at the time. Last time I was at my LGS they had a USP45 in the case at $599. Ummm... they also had a 4" 686 no dash... guess which won? Hint: I still don't own an HK. :D

Jack L
12-25-2010, 12:10 PM
Best NON-1911 .45ACP:

In Steel = Sig P220ST
In Alloy = Sig P220
In Polymer = M&P45 Hands down! (And I do own Hk's, Glocks, and others.)

All three are superb out of the box. Best feel, design and ergos go to M&P. Best trigger goes to Sig of course. Least recoil goes to P220ST. Most accurate very slightly goes to P220ST.

I have a S&W M&P .45 full size. Very comfortable in either hand. Shoots straight, easy on the recoil. Three palm swells to choose from. It's pretty darn nice!

freonr22
12-25-2010, 12:31 PM
Yeah. Kinda went from "Best non-1911 for the price" to SIGs, HK & 1911 race guns...:rolleyes:

Reading
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Fundamental
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=372341

for a couple more hundred than a glock, you can have a cadillac

Ravenslair
12-25-2010, 12:34 PM
Glock 21SF or a Sig 220. I own each of them. I love them both. The Sig is more slim due to being single stack. Get the one that fits and shoots best for you.

Fishslayer
12-25-2010, 12:49 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=372341

for a couple more hundred than a glock, you can have a cadillac

Same price if ya figure a couple hunnert in magazines alone...

I really doubt tho that the sort who buy St. Gaston of Polymer's offerings are interested in SIG....they have those complicated hammer thingies & whatnot...:cool:

stormvet
12-25-2010, 12:53 PM
When it comes to non-1911 .45s, its hard to go with anything but a SIG P220, it was the gun that gave .45 shooters an option and still the best non-1911 .45 in my opinion. But I am also digging the FNP 45USP. Very cool .45, but off list.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z207/2814V/DSCN1602.jpg

In_this_city
12-25-2010, 1:01 PM
theres a 45 other than the 1911? jk

my picks are:
M&P45
FNP45
HK45
P220

ZX-10R
12-25-2010, 1:13 PM
M&P 45.

GWbiker
12-25-2010, 1:23 PM
Another vote for the SIG P-220, mid '90's version. West German, stamped KE or KF (1994-95), triple SN's. Should find one in used by not abused condition for about $500.

A very close second choice is the German made P-245. A compact version of the P-220. Around $600 used in great condition.

Glock is another fine suggestion.

precisionshooter308
12-25-2010, 2:26 PM
For non-poly bang for buck CZ or Ruger. I've owed and shot alot of Sigs good choice but mags are VERY expensive and if it breaks customer service kinda sucks. I carry and shoot a G30 and a Kahr P45, the P45 really feels nice but is ammo finicky but the trigger is NICE. Also that FN 45 looks kinda fun.

hawkeye
12-25-2010, 2:45 PM
Springfield XDs are great .45s!

For a reasonable price you get a comfortable double stack pistol. Not a lot of recoil either.

SFgiants105
12-25-2010, 2:48 PM
My fav non 1911 45 handgun has to be the XD45. awesome gun, very slim grip for people with medium sized hands, super tough and very accurate. The glock is too bulky for me, too bad cause i like glocks.

I will have to agree.

Plus, Springfield custom shop works on the XDs just like on their 1911s. You can get a tuned XD for the price of a G17.

Plus if you go outside CA, the double stack holds 15 .45acp. :D

oddjob
12-25-2010, 3:11 PM
I own one non 1911 .45. A HK USP 45. Great weapon.

451040
12-25-2010, 3:13 PM
Glock ... in any variant.

1nsanity
12-25-2010, 4:13 PM
P220 with a preference towards the older W. German models. But the one that's, lights out for me is the earlier gen p220st with smaller rail and internal extractor especially after doing a trigger job and adding an srt...

himurax13
12-25-2010, 4:16 PM
The Sig P220 SAO is my go to gun. I loved it so much, I got a second one.

gorenut
12-25-2010, 4:28 PM
I also suggest the USP. It has similar controls as the 1911.

Pretty much my opinion as well if you're using the 1911 as a comparison. Barring that, maybe a Sig P220. Both guns share similar characteristics of the 1911.

Swoop
12-25-2010, 4:29 PM
Sig P220 elite

erik_26
12-25-2010, 4:44 PM
In order:
XD45 Tactical - Priced right, accurate, consistant trigger and fits mosts hands well (uses CZ/Browning Hi Power grip)
Sig P220 - Priced higher, accurate, sadly double/single action trigger, need right sized hand to truly enjoy.
Glock 21SF - Priced fairly, accurate, consistant trigger, fits better than the standard 21.

Common factor is almost all modern guns will group better than the shooter holding it. Rare is the case that a shooter really needs to improve the fit or barrel to extract better accuracy. Ammo affects accuracy more than anything else. Bullet weight, rate of twist, velocity all combine for accuracy of a handgun, so unless you're considering a Hi-point or other second tier firearm, forget asking about a gun's accuracy. Concern yourself with things like fixed vs. adjustable sights - Single v. Double Action v. Safe Action triggers- Active v. Passive safety feature - General eronomics for you and finally caliber. You want .45acp, excellent choice and as most have stated before "what gun feels best in your hand". Rent those guns you have narrowed it down to. Seek professional assistance from an instructor even. Most indoor ranges have some sort of "gun pro" like golf courses have pros.
Have fun and let us know what you end up with.

It's funny that you mention the shooter. I commonly see guys next to me in the stalls ripping up the lower left or right of their target. They will have consistent grouping but can't seem to adjust their grip, trigger pull or aim for accuracy. I am not trying to brag or toot my own horn because I know I can improve on my shooting. But I constantly get complimented on my grouping on center. In fact, when I get outside of where I want to shoot I get pretty mad at myself. I really try to strive for accuracy. I often take a shot, lower my weapon and then reacquire my target. I take my time between shots. I see so many guys come in bang off 50 rds in 7-10 minutes and leave. Personally, I don't see the fun in that. I use my Beretta 92FS with fixed sights. I find the gun to be very accurate. And when I am off center, I know it is me and not the gun. I often know when I pull the trigger weather or not I am right where I want to be. Overall I know I have a lot of room for improvement.

So with that said, accuracy does matter to me. The Sig P220 feels great in my hands. I have not been able to shoot one yet. I know I don't care for 1911's. I want to make sure that I don't leave other makes and models out of the equation. I will rent a few of the ones everyone suggested and give them all a fair chance. My ol' lady is anti-gun. So as much as I would love to buy one of everything, I can only get a new/used gun every so often and want to make sure I enjoy my purchase until I can make my next buy.

drunktank
12-25-2010, 4:54 PM
You mentioned the glock was too big. Did you try the SF model by chance? If I don't get another usp, a g21sf is in my future.

Good luck with your choice

ap3572001
12-25-2010, 5:08 PM
For me I have to say USP Full size VAR-I.

I download my magazines and still get 12 rounds to stat with.

Very accurate out to 50 yards.

Works great with +p 230 JHP ammo.

Can carry cocked and locked .

mild recoil.

erik_26
12-26-2010, 8:48 AM
Let’s expand on what has been said so far. A few of you have taken the time to provide great feedback. Others just say "Sig" or "USP" or "glock"... etc.

So can we make it a little more interesting?

For example, if you like the P220 (or any gun you prefer) say what guns it you like, that is fits your hand well, zero failures, you like the way it looks. It has lots of aftermarket parts for it... etc.

If you do not like Glocks (or whatever gun) say, I don't like the way it fits my hand. I don't like the way it looks. I think it feels cheap. I have had one fail on me... etc.

And for those that are fortunate enough to have more than 1 non-1911 .45 ACP, tell us which one you like over the rest and why it stands above (even if by a fraction you prefer it more). Example, decocker, safety, sights, trigger pull, recoil…. Etc.

dascoyne
12-26-2010, 9:06 AM
When is this assignment due? Are we being graded on grammar, too?

nicoroshi
12-26-2010, 9:16 AM
For me it's a Glock 21SF.
I started shooting Glock so got used to the backstrap angle they have, and (to me) they feel, and point more naturally than a 1911.
The trigger certainly needed some help so I put in a Glockworks trigger, and removed the pre, and over travel from it. This also made the trigger safety more comfortable to me as the Glockworks has a flat face instead of the knife edged OEM one.
3.5# connector, and .25 cent trigger job to lighten up that trigger pull.
Agrip for a solid comfortable grip.
Nearly 7000 rounds down the pipe without a single malfunction.

If SHTF I grab my Glock 21SF
Nuf said.

erik_26
12-26-2010, 10:42 AM
When is this assignment due? Are we being graded on grammar, too?

I know my grammar sucks. I can have a run on sentence 10 pages long. The proper use of commas eludes me. My spelling is terrible.

1-M-42
12-26-2010, 11:49 AM
I'm a SIG armorer so it's simple for me...P220. Nothing is better. If you are looking for a 1911 and can't afford the Kimber, check out the Rock Island line. Inexpensive but not cheap. I've shot a couple and the compact version is next on my list to buy.

erik_26
12-26-2010, 10:02 PM
I bought a Sig P220 .45 ACP today just a couple hours ago. Now I have to wait.

Some initial thoughts, first Bass Pro Shops sucks. They take forever and their prices aren't the best. I got it for $929.

Second, they only had two in the back and both of the cases had broken hinges. Not the kind of quality I would expect for that much money. I settled with the least of the damaged cases.

Third, only one magazine. What gives? Like I said $929 (without tax) and only one mag?

Fourth, no brush and rod to clean it? I don't get it. What did I pay for? I have cleaning stuff at home but still.

Fifth, no lock. I got a lock from Bass Pro, but I figured that with paying all that money I would have at least got a Sig lock.

So I am a little disappointed already. Hopefully it wont disappoint at the range. I am sure it wont. Plus the guns hold their value well. So I should be in good shape.

oddjob
12-26-2010, 10:08 PM
Good choice.....That was the other non-1911 .45 I had....along with a 245 and a S&W 625. To be honest I kept the 625 and the USP. You still made a great choice! Plenty of accessories available too.

ilkhan
12-26-2010, 10:16 PM
There might be a trend going here.
P220 then XD45.

FS00008
12-26-2010, 11:51 PM
I think there is. Chalk another up for the P220, then XD45, then Ruger P90, then S&W 625, then, for me (and y'all may find this funny), Webley MK VI with the cylinder cut for .45ACP moon clips.

NSR500
12-27-2010, 1:24 AM
There might be a trend going here.
P220 then XD45.

Only because other guns may not be on the roster.

Gryff
12-27-2010, 1:34 AM
My preference is the XD45 (5" model), but that is definitely a personal thing. I would say that the nod for most shooters would go to the Sig 220.

Sam
12-27-2010, 3:08 AM
Wait, the op said he doesn't like 1911s... This is fishy. I enjoy the Glock 21SF. it's reliable, it's ergonomics are good, it's soft recoiling for a polymer, it's fairly accurate, and it has great capactiy.

siliconphreak
12-27-2010, 1:00 PM
Get the HK USP 45, it's a great gun with mild recoil. Plus you can shoot 45 Super out of it without any mods.

gef
12-27-2010, 1:10 PM
How about the Smith & Wesson 4506.

1911Operator
12-27-2010, 1:16 PM
Sig P220's are awesome guns, but if you think about it, its basically a 1911 with a tweaked design a DA/SA trigger, and de-cocker.

hnoppenberger
12-27-2010, 1:19 PM
usp 45

shooting4life
12-27-2010, 1:26 PM
http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu30/shooting4life/6e32fa9e.jpg
Don't think I need to say anything else.

hefedehefe
12-27-2010, 1:37 PM
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa44/smoothinoc/mpa45_MPA10T-Amed.gif


non-threaded of course

BigDogatPlay
12-27-2010, 1:38 PM
If it's an auto my first two choices in no particular order are going to be a Sig P220ST and an S&W 4516TSW.

All stainless construction, very good triggers, rail and both are built like tanks. Either one will last lifetimes and deliver consistent results each and every time.

RAMCHARGER
12-27-2010, 3:22 PM
Can't speak for Rugers new production, but I have one from the early 90's that won't die. It must have 10's of thousands of rounds through it. It's ugly, the trigger leaves something to be desired, but it always goes bang.

My kid brother bought P-90 long time ago from gun range that closed. It was very used and abused. Never failed to fire. One time noticed something shiny on the floor when he was shooting it. It was the ejector. It popped off and the gun kept going...

Corbin Dallas
12-27-2010, 3:31 PM
Glock 21sf

tacticalcity
12-27-2010, 3:38 PM
I am a Glock and 1911 guy, regardless of caliber. There are lots of really great handguns out there, but for self defense nothing beats either a Glock or 1911. You get a lot of value from a Glock. If those two are off the table, then I would probably go with an HK USP, but value is not a word that comes to mind when I think of an HK USP. Quality yes. Value no.

9mmepiphany
12-27-2010, 4:48 PM
Sig P220's are awesome guns, but if you think about it, its basically a 1911 with a tweaked design a DA/SA trigger, and de-cocker.
That's really funny as I can imagine a legion of 1911 fans gasping at the blasphamy...as that gleefully point out that a 1911 has:

1. a SAO trigger
2. a non-pivoting trigger
3. no decocker
4. a thumb safety
5. a grip safety
6. a barrel bushing
7. no take down lever
8. a swinging link
9. locking lugs
10. detail dis-assembly without tools

Longbow
12-28-2010, 12:06 AM
Smith M&P 45
Sig P 220
Ruger P 345 (vastly underated!)

Buy the 1st one on this list, and you're done.

Longbow

Striker
12-28-2010, 11:32 AM
Ok so, no 1911 and no glocks.

Smith and Wesson M&P 45. Shot one the other night. Superb gun with a horrible trigger. Shoots to point of aim, but I hated trigger. You can send it BTC for a trigger job, which would solve that problem. Very accurate. For me, Grip needs a sleeve or stippling. It's just too slick for my liking. With a trigger job, maybe $800.00 all in total. Nice gun for that amount of money.

Have also shot the HK USP 45 tactical. Not an HK handgun fan, but they make nice pistols. Expensive, but worth considering.

Sig 220. I really like Sigs P22X series in 9mm, but I've tried the 220 in 45 a couple of times and just don't like the way it handles. Great gun, just not for me.

If you're looking for a metal frame 45, and non 1911, try a Smith 4566, 4516. Heavy stainless pistols, but very reliable and fairly accurate.

I know you said no Glocks, but just wanted to say I never thought I would like the 21sf. Thought the grip was too big etc. Then I shot one. Accurate and grip size helped control the gun. very soft shooting for a 45. Can't address the reliability issues, because I don't own one.

These are my personal observations, Try them all and see what works best for your situation. Not sure what you're doing with the pistol. Going to the sandbox? swimming with it? etc. Depends on what your use is.

1911Operator
12-28-2010, 11:56 AM
That's really funny as I can imagine a legion of 1911 fans gasping at the blasphamy...as that gleefully point out that a 1911 has:

1. a SAO trigger
2. a non-pivoting trigger
3. no decocker
4. a thumb safety
5. a grip safety
6. a barrel bushing
7. no take down lever
8. a swinging link
9. locking lugs
10. detail dis-assembly without tools
:popcorn: :sarcasm:

Timbob55
12-28-2010, 12:51 PM
I am very happy with my Ruger P90. It is solidly built, accurate and has yet to stop operating for me.

Ventura_Yak'r
12-28-2010, 5:52 PM
older w german/german Sig P220 .45 ACP is one that will not disappoint. you can find one in pristine condition for $575+. $650 seems to be about the usual going price for an extremely clean one. this is one worth searching for.

good to go right out of the box; just grease the rails and go.
no whistles and bells on my w german P220; just utter dependability in a no nonsense handgun.

+1 Sig P220ST w/out any hesitation

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/ruwako/P220s/P2201.jpg

Super Spy
12-28-2010, 6:07 PM
I like my Glock 30SF, the 21 is also a nice shooter. I recently fondled a Beretta Px4 Storm and I really liked it too. If you have an LEO buddy I'd suggest an XDM 45 (not CA "safe"), my step dad has one and it's pretty dang nice too.

Knife Edge
12-28-2010, 9:13 PM
HK USP45F with LEM or the MK23 Socom if you can find one.

Colt-45
12-28-2010, 9:31 PM
Glock 21 sf and the HK 45.

HPGunner
12-28-2010, 9:33 PM
I'd suggest the HK USP. It's my favorite non1911 45. Im not a big fan of the double action trigger pull but, it can be carried cocked and locked if you get variant 1. It isn't very compact and the grip is large for smallish hands. 12+1 capacity isn't too bad for 45acp. I love it because its very accurate in my hands and the single action trigger is clean and crisp.

Low-Pressure
12-28-2010, 9:42 PM
Sig P220

goo-of-doom
01-09-2011, 10:55 PM
baby eagle/ jericho 914 all steel .45 acp is my fav. if done right the auto feed of the next mag is priceless and the feel and rapid target acquisition is amazing the sig is cool but a little thin on the handle with the xd are too jumpy and the glock has alot of trigger pull the hk all you see is the gun when you are using "splash" acquisition

Ranger20
01-10-2011, 12:24 AM
This one ...

http://sssli.com/images/Glock-36%5B1%5D.jpg

GW
01-10-2011, 12:27 AM
I love my Glock 30
A great li'l gun.