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Onlyincali
12-23-2010, 11:22 PM
Sorry for the newb question, didn't find the answer with a search. How much does the weight matter when shooting large amounts of ammo for target practice? Buy what cheapest? Will 230grn wear out a gun faster than lighter round? I know shooting +P rounds for target practice may not be the greatest idea, but what about the weight of the bullet?

Thanks!

BigDogatPlay
12-23-2010, 11:24 PM
My all the time practice round is 230 grain ball from Load-X. Probably just a bit zippier than GI spec and 100% reliable. Both my .45s eat it up no problem.

Bullet weight has pretty much nothing to do with wear and tear.

mnh327
12-24-2010, 12:01 AM
230 grain is the original, or the intended weight for .45 ACP, IIRC.

Oceanbob
12-24-2010, 4:45 AM
200 Grain, lead Semi-Wad-Cutter.

Leaves a perfect round hole.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9kzcwl.jpg


I also use 200 SWC copper plated.
http://i56.tinypic.com/w7enaf.jpg

Cheap and easy to reload. Works in my GLOCKS or my 1911s. Extremely accurate.

B Strong
12-24-2010, 5:10 AM
Sorry for the newb question, didn't find the answer with a search. How much does the weight matter when shooting large amounts of ammo for target practice? Buy what cheapest? Will 230grn wear out a gun faster than lighter round? I know shooting +P rounds for target practice may not be the greatest idea, but what about the weight of the bullet?

Thanks!

Unless you're talking about shooting National Match bullseye, the 230 grain round is the only way to go.

Don't worry about running +P in a good modern 1911 platform pistol either. The recoil spring life might drop to 800 round from 1000 - 2000, but other than that it's not an issue.

I have a Colt Combat Commander with God only knows how many thousands of rounds of 9.7 grains of Accurate #5 with the 200 g JHP, no excessive wear anywhere on the piece - don't use this load data as is, iirc the starting point for this load is one grain less, start there and look for pressure signs.

roushstage3
12-24-2010, 6:47 AM
All I use is 230 grain. It is also the recommended bullet weight for Kimbers.

morrcarr67
12-24-2010, 6:59 AM
I've been reloading .45ACP for over 20 years and have only loaded 230 grain FMJ or LRN with not one problem. Have fun shooting. :)

rgs1975
12-24-2010, 8:48 AM
230gr FMJ for practice in the 1911 and G36. 230gr HP for SD in both.

MrOrange
12-24-2010, 9:04 AM
Are you trying for the greatest precision or are you trying to improve your general competency/accuracy?

(10" group centered on POA: Accurate but not precise.
1" group away from POA: Precise but not accurate.)

Physics tells us that launching heavier and faster projectiles will wear out the mechanism faster. See .45 Super, .460 Rowland, etc. If you stay with normal pressure/velocities there won't be a noticeable difference in firearm wear.

Greatest precision: 185 or 200 gr LSWC at around 750 fps. This has been gospel since about 1912.

General accuracy: Whatever's cheapest, as long as it's not hot & heavy.

Fortunately, the two usually coincide, especially if you reload.

Marlin Hunter
12-24-2010, 9:12 AM
200 Grain, lead Semi-Wad-Cutter.

Leaves a perfect round hole.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9kzcwl.jpg

Cheap and easy to reload. Works in my GLOCKS or my 1911s. Extremely accurate.



+1 on the 200gr lead SWC

Does your Glock have the stock polygon barrel? I have heard that lead is not good for the stock Glock barrels.

Marlin Hunter
12-24-2010, 9:16 AM
Sorry for the newb question, didn't find the answer with a search. How much does the weight matter when shooting large amounts of ammo for target practice? Buy what cheapest? Will 230grn wear out a gun faster than lighter round? I know shooting +P rounds for target practice may not be the greatest idea, but what about the weight of the bullet?

Thanks!

As others have said, the 1911 was designed to use the 230 grain bullet. If you can get 200gr semi-wadcutter bullets for less than 230 grain bullets it would be worth it to use those. It isn't that they will make your gun last longer, they are just nicer to shoot and will save you some money.

zdragon
12-24-2010, 9:23 AM
+1 on the 200gr lead SWC

Does your Glock have the stock polygon barrel? I have heard that lead is not good for the stock Glock barrels.

aftermarket Lonewolf barrels are lead friendly.

ap3572001
12-24-2010, 9:38 AM
Here are the typical target loads for a 1911 in 45.

230 STD FMJ Ball. - The gun was made for it .

200 SWC- a typical combat shooting load ( IPSC)

185 SWC- a typical Bulls Eye load.

XDRoX
12-24-2010, 9:59 AM
+1 on the 200gr lead SWC

Does your Glock have the stock polygon barrel? I have heard that lead is not good for the stock Glock barrels.

I'm guessing Bob has stock barrels in those, but he knows what he's doing. With the right load, leading is practically eliminated and you can safely shoot hundreds of lead bullets without any problems.

I know a lot of reloaders that shoot lead in factory glock barrels, you just have to know what you're doing.

Onlyincali
12-24-2010, 10:59 AM
You guys are awesome. Everytime I ask a stupid question i'm certain I'm going to get railed for........I end up with polite, concise answers... THANKS!!


With that being said...... I'm looking into getting a few thousand rounds. Right now I'm looking at the remington umc 230 grains. Something like $360 for 1k rounds. Anyone have a better suggestion? Its just plinking/target ammo but it is being shot from a semi-nice srpingfield 45 that I will probably be keeping for the rest of my life, if that makes any difference.

Website suggestions other than ammoman or cabellas? Thanks!!!!

GrizzlyGuy
12-24-2010, 11:25 AM
With that being said...... I'm looking into getting a few thousand rounds. Right now I'm looking at the remington umc 230 grains. Something like $360 for 1k rounds. Anyone have a better suggestion? Its just plinking/target ammo but it is being shot from a semi-nice srpingfield 45 that I will probably be keeping for the rest of my life, if that makes any difference.

Website suggestions other than ammoman or cabellas? Thanks!!!!

I just ordered 1000 rds of 230 gr TMJ Speer Lawman from LuckyGunner (http://www.luckygunner.com/45-acp-230-grain-tmj-rn-lawman-1000). Price is $360, but unlike Ammoman.com, the shipping & handling is extra ($46.53 for my order). There are better deals out there on other brands, but my wife prefers that particular brand/type for her 1911 and I couldn't find a better price for it.

ETA: Click here (http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.45_ACP) for price comparisons from AmmoEngine.com

brassburnz
12-24-2010, 11:44 AM
Don't forget to pick up your brass! You might not reload now, but you will.

morrcarr67
12-24-2010, 2:18 PM
You guys are awesome. Everytime I ask a stupid question i'm certain I'm going to get railed for........I end up with polite, concise answers... THANKS!!


With that being said...... I'm looking into getting a few thousand rounds. Right now I'm looking at the remington umc 230 grains. Something like $360 for 1k rounds. Anyone have a better suggestion? Its just plinking/target ammo but it is being shot from a semi-nice srpingfield 45 that I will probably be keeping for the rest of my life, if that makes any difference.

Website suggestions other than ammoman or cabellas? Thanks!!!!

If you can find the 250 packs of UMC at Walmart it would be $340 plus tax.

Might also find Federal for $16.87 box of 50 = $337.40 for 1000.

i<3HK
12-24-2010, 2:36 PM
230 grain is fine

BluNorthern
12-24-2010, 2:42 PM
.45 ACP comes in different weights than 230 gr.?? Just kidding. I only use 230's for defense loads so I practice with the same weight. Consistency is your friend IMO. Mostly use Winchester WB because I can usually pick them up fairly cheap on sale from time to time.

Recession
12-24-2010, 3:00 PM
You guys are awesome. Everytime I ask a stupid question i'm certain I'm going to get railed for........I end up with polite, concise answers... THANKS!!


With that being said...... I'm looking into getting a few thousand rounds. Right now I'm looking at the remington umc 230 grains. Something like $360 for 1k rounds. Anyone have a better suggestion? Its just plinking/target ammo but it is being shot from a semi-nice srpingfield 45 that I will probably be keeping for the rest of my life, if that makes any difference.

Website suggestions other than ammoman or cabellas? Thanks!!!!

palmettostatearmory.com

by far the cheapest ammo prices on line! Shipping is also only $12 per 500 rounds.

I just picked up 1000 rounds of PMC .45 230gr (very good target ammo) for $339 + $24 shipping. I shoot this out of my M&P 45 and Les Baer TRS 1911.

Or if you like Federal American Eagle, they have 1000 rounds for $359 + $24 shipping.

http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/45-ACP.php

den888
12-24-2010, 3:22 PM
230 grain is fine, that is what many of us use

Oceanbob
12-24-2010, 4:06 PM
+1 on the 200gr lead SWC

Does your Glock have the stock polygon barrel? I have heard that lead is not good for the stock Glock barrels.

On my Glock 21s. The lead hasn't been a problem. Mainly because the velocity is low; and I use Moly coated bullets.

However, I use just plain lead SWC's without a problem. I've never seen a bit of lead in the barrel, but I do clean my weapons after a range session.

I think GLOCK is being super protective; no handloads, no lead..etc.

The standard song.

GWbiker
12-24-2010, 5:04 PM
In my experience with the .45acp, 230gr is normal for 4.5 - 5" barrel. For a 3" barrel compact 45, you may get better accuracy with 185gr or 165gr in some guns.

As always, YMMV.

aklon
12-24-2010, 5:20 PM
The weight of the bullet is not as important as its velocity: the higher temperatures and pressures needed to make it go faster cause more wear and tear on your gun.

Any barrel is going to wear out, but whether it does so after 10,000 or only 1,000 rounds depends on what you shoot through it.

Onlyincali
12-26-2010, 8:45 PM
You guys suggest the Remington UMC or PMC ammo if nearly the same price?

bruce381
12-26-2010, 10:21 PM
""As others have said, the 1911 was designed to use the 230 grain bullet""

I think/thought john browning desgned the 1911 for a 200 gr bullet the military wanted and got a 230

ChrisToad
12-26-2010, 11:12 PM
My only opinion on this matter is to match the projectile weight that you might be using for a self defense round. If that doesn't apply... well then idk

Onlyincali
12-28-2010, 8:07 AM
so...Remington UMC or PMC ammo?

BigDogatPlay
12-28-2010, 8:19 AM
Both the UMC and PMC will give reasonably acceptable results. I've fired a lot of PMC over the years and have about 500 rounds in .40 S&W at the moment and a couple hundred rounds in .380 as well. No issues. There are a couple of 250 packs of UMC .45 under my bench as well, they work fine for me and the brass is always in good shape for reloading.

On the UMC stuff, give the rounds a visual examination when you get them in your hands. There've been some reports on these pages in the past year or so of random bullet setback with the pills a bit deeper in the casing than spec. I've never seen a true root cause, but the common blame was lax QC in the rush to catch up to the Obama induced ammo panic.

BluNorthern
12-28-2010, 8:25 AM
I know the OP is looking at ammo for practice more than anything so it's not really relevant but to me the UMC 230's 'feel' a little underpowered when I shoot them. Probably just my imagination.

HiveDR.
12-28-2010, 8:49 PM
Good source of inexpensive 45acp range ammo is DSGARMS.COM. I picked up some blue box FIOCCHI 230gr FMJ (brass case boxer primed)for $341.80 per 1k case DELIVERED thats $17.09 per box. I've been shooting the stuff for a while now and I find it to be good shooting 45acp. Crono's about 860fps out of my 5" 1911's. Manufacture claims 875fps but I have not seen that.

I'm picking up a few more cases next month. It will be the last really cheap factory ammo for a while until this online stuff gets worked out.

Walmart 45acp might seem cheaper but when you add in tax it runs $18.34 per box given your tax rate is 8.75%. Also the new stuff is using small pistol primers not large pistol primers?

Donk310
12-28-2010, 9:52 PM
Yes

Onlyincali
12-30-2010, 7:04 AM
edit--- The FIOCCI is backordered.

bartt
12-30-2010, 9:40 AM
I've been happy ordering ammo from:
www.grafs.com (very low shipping cost)
www.wideners.com (very nice people)
www.georgia-arms.com

HTH..

Vanilla Gorilla
12-30-2010, 9:59 AM
200 Grain, lead Semi-Wad-Cutter.

Leaves a perfect round hole.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9kzcwl.jpg


I also use 200 SWC copper plated.
http://i56.tinypic.com/w7enaf.jpg

Cheap and easy to reload. Works in my GLOCKS or my 1911s. Extremely accurate.

+1 on the 200 Grain lead Semi-Wad-Cutter